transplantbillsfan Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Joe Marino explores the question in yesterday's episode: Cliffs notes version: arguably he probably is, but definitely in the next year or 2. Some other good Josh Allen nuggets in the 2nd half of the episode 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 His name is John Elway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-qKumxuDxA&ab_channel=NFLThrowback 1 1 1 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 13 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: His name is John Elway. That’s a weird way to spell Josh Allen. Off the top of my head and without too much thought I would say without a doubt Allen is the greatest dual threat QB ever. 3 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Glad people are finally saying it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) Steve Young. Those pesky MVPs and a Super Bowl win. Edited July 13 by GASabresIUFan 4 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 17 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: Steve Young. Those pesky Super Bowl wins. Wins? I only credit one to Young. That was in his 10th season too. Josh has four years to match that and by then his rushing/passing stats will be through the roof. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Yes I think it’s becoming clear to the masses that Allen’s career numbers on his current pace will be in a stratosphere that no dual threat QB has ever been. He’s an absolute unit. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Maybe I’m just old school, but the “best ever” at anything actually has to win a championship. Steve Young, hands down. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 8 minutes ago, Gugny said: Maybe I’m just old school, but the “best ever” at anything actually has to win a championship. Steve Young, hands down. A qb can’t be considered dual threat rushing for 500 once in a 15 year career span. 1 hour ago, That's No Moon said: His name is John Elway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-qKumxuDxA&ab_channel=NFLThrowback How can he be dual threat without rushing for at least 500 yards in a season once in 16 years? Allen is a true dual threat qb and is the best in NFL history at this point. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro Nimbus Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Right now, probably Cam Newton or Mike Vick. Another season or two and Allen will be at the top. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 I’m not the person who will hand Josh accolades that easily but he has to be the best dual threat QB. Lamar is probably two. Vick had a few electric years but wasn’t as consistent as he would need to be for this conversation. Newton also struggled with consistency. Then guys like Young, Elway, or Trakenton, while mobile, didn't threaten defenses like a true elite dual threat player would. Nobody can match Allen’s ability by land or air. He’s truly a 50/50 split and that’s probably part of what makes him great. No other dual threat guy has been that balanced. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 3 minutes ago, 90sBills said: A qb can’t be considered dual threat rushing for 500 once in a 15 year career span. How can he be dual threat without rushing for at least 500 yards in a season once in 16 years? Allen is a true dual threat qb and is the best in NFL history at this point. If Allen did what he does now in the timeframe when Elway played he'd never survive. There isn't a Ronnie Lott or Steve Atwater in the modern game. In Elway's time everybody had someone who at least tried to hit like that. There is a reason that "dual-threat" QBs with big dual-threat stats don't really exist historically and one of the comparisons to Allen retired due to repeated concussions (Steve Young). If you ran that much on purpose you'd get hurt. There are also a couple people who would have been interesting if you teleported them out of the Neanderthal offenses their coaches insisted on running at the time. Randall Cunningham being one of them. I've said it repeatedly and will continue to, if you took some of the QBs out of the 80's and early 90's when passing started to become a much larger thing and put them into the modern world where they can't be touched and their WRs can't really be touched they'd look amazing and would have lasted significantly longer to boot. So yeah, call Allen the best dual-threat QB ever if you have to but just recognize that there have been people who came before that would have looked MUCH different if they played under the current rules. Marino threw for 5k yards under those conditions in 1984 and it took until 2008 before anybody did it again. Since 2008 it's happened 14 times. It's a different game. Making these sorts of statements and comparisons is going to be inherently flawed and almost always skews in favor of the more recent players but don't tell me you watched that Elway highlight video and didn't see Josh Allen running. 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 50 minutes ago, Gugny said: Maybe I’m just old school, but the “best ever” at anything actually has to win a championship. Steve Young, hands down. Allen still has a lot of time. Maybe he'll demand a trade to a non-cursed franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Over the next 5 years he should top the list. But he’s been incredibly healthy compared to players like Vick, Newton, and Steve Young. That could change quickly. Allen will need to protect himself more and more as he gets older. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) Josh is the best nerve wracking dual threat QB I have ever watched. …..if you know what I mean. Edited July 13 by US Egg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 31 minutes ago, DapperCam said: Allen still has a lot of time. Maybe he'll demand a trade to a non-cursed franchise. 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Over the next 5 years he should top the list. But he’s been incredibly healthy compared to players like Vick, Newton, and Steve Young. That could change quickly. Allen will need to protect himself more and more as he gets older. You both better knock on wood. Immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 54 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: If Allen did what he does now in the timeframe when Elway played he'd never survive. There isn't a Ronnie Lott or Steve Atwater in the modern game. In Elway's time everybody had someone who at least tried to hit like that. There is a reason that "dual-threat" QBs with big dual-threat stats don't really exist historically and one of the comparisons to Allen retired due to repeated concussions (Steve Young). If you ran that much on purpose you'd get hurt. There are also a couple people who would have been interesting if you teleported them out of the Neanderthal offenses their coaches insisted on running at the time. Randall Cunningham being one of them. I've said it repeatedly and will continue to, if you took some of the QBs out of the 80's and early 90's when passing started to become a much larger thing and put them into the modern world where they can't be touched and their WRs can't really be touched they'd look amazing and would have lasted significantly longer to boot. So yeah, call Allen the best dual-threat QB ever if you have to but just recognize that there have been people who came before that would have looked MUCH different if they played under the current rules. Marino threw for 5k yards under those conditions in 1984 and it took until 2008 before anybody did it again. Since 2008 it's happened 14 times. It's a different game. Making these sorts of statements and comparisons is going to be inherently flawed and almost always skews in favor of the more recent players but don't tell me you watched that Elway highlight video and didn't see Josh Allen running. I agree completely about players from different time periods having different games. At the end of the day they play with the rules that are presented to them. So yes Allen will be considered the best dual threat qb when it’s all said and done. I followed Elway’s career since he was at Stanford. Yes he was a great athlete. But he never threatened defenses with his runs. I consider guys like Elway, Young, Tarkington, even Farve as scrambling QBs not true dual threat QBs. Could they have been in this era? Maybe. Or they could more likely be similar to Mahomes. A scrambling qb from this current era with modern rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Philip Rivers has 10 kids 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K D Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 8 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Philip Rivers has 10 kids Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard and his kids can do multiplication in their heads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Steve Young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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