Brandon Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You other men treat men badly? I'm saying that society has a strong tendency to be indifferent to a man who is struggling and is occasionally outright hostile. Aside from maybe their parents, men do not have an emotional support structure around them. That's why the suicide rates are higher than for women. Edited July 13 by Brandon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Do as I say not as I do https://thehill.com/latino/429136-more-than-100-undocumented-immigrants-worked-at-trumps-bedminster-resort-during/damp/?nxs-test=damp 18 minutes ago, Brandon said: I'm saying that society has a strong tendency to be indifferent to a man who is struggling and is occasionally outright hostile. Aside from maybe their parents, men do not have an emotional support structure around them. That's why the suicide rates are higher than for women. Single mothers are more prevalent than single fathers Neither get much support but one has a choice on parenthood and one currently does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Do as I say not as I do https://thehill.com/latino/429136-more-than-100-undocumented-immigrants-worked-at-trumps-bedminster-resort-during/damp/?nxs-test=damp Single mothers are more prevalent than single fathers Neither get much support but one has a choice on parenthood and one currently does not. They all have a choice. You’re essentially saying a woman should have no agency until and unless it’s time to kill her baby. Then she is basically god. Edited July 13 by LeviF 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 9 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Do as I say not as I do https://thehill.com/latino/429136-more-than-100-undocumented-immigrants-worked-at-trumps-bedminster-resort-during/damp/?nxs-test=damp Single mothers are more prevalent than single fathers Neither get much support but one has a choice on parenthood and one currently does not. Why do you think men have much higher suicide rates than women, not just in the US, but globally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Just now, LeviF said: They all have a choice. You’re essentially saying a woman should have no agency until and unless it’s time to kill her baby. Then she is basically god. No. I’m saying reproductive aged women have less freedom and opportunity than men, in general. The idea that women of any color have it easier than white men is ridiculous. Poor persecuted rednecks…. 2 minutes ago, Brandon said: Why do you think men have much higher suicide rates than women, not just in the US, but globally? I think the rules are gradually changing especially in 1st world countries women are slowly becoming more equal. Men are losing some of the artificial advantages they’ve enjoyed and they can’t handle it. Women are accustomed to fighting harder for less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 50 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I think the rules are gradually changing especially in 1st world countries women are slowly becoming more equal. Men are losing some of the artificial advantages they’ve enjoyed and they can’t handle it. Women are accustomed to fighting harder for less. That's our difference of opinion. I think men are much less likely to seek or receive emotional support from family, friends, coworkers or society in general when they fall on hard times. Instead, they're usually told to man up, suck it up, and quit being such a p***y. And so they bottle it all up inside until they pop. And second, I think most of these guys are likely on the bottom end of society and never had any real advantages to begin with. They're not attractive or smart. They may be socially awkward. They're scraping by working a 9-5 McJob. They have zero relationship prospects or chances at a family of their own and can quite easily be alone their entire lives. They're also consistently losing to the same men that are higher on the socio-economic scale that you're complaining about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Rising costs, less opportunities, drugs coming over the border equals people committing suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 11 minutes ago, Brandon said: That's our difference of opinion. I think men are much less likely to seek or receive emotional support from family, friends, coworkers or society in general when they fall on hard times. Instead, they're usually told to man up, suck it up, and quit being such a p***y. And so they bottle it all up inside until they pop. And second, I think most of these guys are likely on the bottom end of society and never had any real advantages to begin with. They're not attractive or smart. They may be socially awkward. They're scraping by working a 9-5 McJob. They have zero relationship prospects or chances at a family of their own and can quite easily be alone their entire lives. They're also consistently losing to the same men that are higher on the socio-economic scale that you're complaining about. And there are an equal number of women in the same position. Many do menial jobs and carry on. Women rarely had middle class lifestyles working union jobs with little to no education or skills. They don’t miss those days except if they were in single earner families as stay at home moms. Those days are gone and aren’t coming back even if trump promises it…and guess which tribe is more union friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 There's this idea out there that men are averse to doing "women's jobs," which unfortunately means the jobs that are more in demand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: And there are an equal number of women in the same position. Many do menial jobs and carry on. Women rarely had middle class lifestyles working union jobs with little to no education or skills. They don’t miss those days except if they were in single earner families as stay at home moms. Those days are gone and aren’t coming back even if trump promises it…and guess which tribe is more union friendly. The first half of my statement is still important to the second half. Men are far less likely to seek or receive emotional support for their issues. If they do, they're usually brushed off, ignored or belittled for doing it. That's a major contributing factor for the disparity in the opening post. This is not about men vs women, but rather that there's a problem here that's being ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 2 hours ago, Brandon said: The first half of my statement is still important to the second half. Men are far less likely to seek or receive emotional support for their issues. If they do, they're usually brushed off, ignored or belittled for doing it. That's a major contributing factor for the disparity in the opening post. This is not about men vs women, but rather that there's a problem here that's being ignored. It’s a tough world and as you so aptly illustrated, genetics play a huge role in outcomes. The male/female determinant as well as the white/ nonwhite phenotypes played an outsized role but not as much now. The ability to adapt also helps determine outcomes. Perhaps these times are just part of evolution. Re counseling, sympathy and empathy for these guys, maybe that’s why the so often go to fundamentalist churches. They find people in similar situations who can relate. Birds of a feather… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 9 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Hmmm, immigrants can’t work and costs go up. Wonder why. I visited my friend in St Augustine while his new house was being built. Just about every worker in the cookie cutter estate appeared to be an immigrant. He made a tidy sum selling after a few years and moving back to Va. The worker issue partly explains it. That and he’s really bright. You are true proud Dem and would have been one 160 years ago also. You are actually proud of under paying someone so long as you profit from it. You like having the two tier economic system so long as you benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 37 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: You are true proud Dem and would have been one 160 years ago also. You are actually proud of under paying someone so long as you profit from it. You like having the two tier economic system so long as you benefit. You are seemingly a socialist. I’ve never used illegal alien for labor. My contractor who’s remodeled several houses for me is local and independent. We are friends. Had I underpaid him, he wouldn’t still be doing beautiful jobs for me 30 years on. But the free market is just that: a job or a product is worth what the market will pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 4 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: You are seemingly a socialist. I’ve never used illegal alien for labor. My contractor who’s remodeled several houses for me is local and independent. We are friends. Had I underpaid him, he wouldn’t still be doing beautiful jobs for me 30 years on. But the free market is just that: a job or a product is worth what the market will pay. Your responses are always Trumpian except for you never make a point. You buy fruits and vegetables picked by illegals, and they are certainly cheaper for you, the simple fact that one aspect of your life is not scummy does not absolve of the mess your side makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostwriter Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 On 7/12/2024 at 7:53 PM, Tiberius said: It's just being stupid to act tough. But since you brought up alcoholism, yes, I'll bet those White Male suicides are very much tied in many cases to alcoholism You reap what you sow. If this is what’s in your heart you’re in deep, deep trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 6 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Your responses are always Trumpian except for you never make a point. You buy fruits and vegetables picked by illegals, and they are certainly cheaper for you, the simple fact that one aspect of your life is not scummy does not absolve of the mess your side makes. Are things worth what the market is willing to pay or not? Socialist or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Are things worth what the market is willing to pay or not? Socialist or not? Your argument is truly the same as Dems in the 1860s with slavery- what will the market bear? You show how immoral you are when you try to be clever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostwriter Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 On 7/12/2024 at 7:53 PM, Tiberius said: It's just being stupid to act tough. But since you brought up alcoholism, yes, I'll bet those White Male suicides are very much tied in many cases to alcoholism What is masculinity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 14 Author Share Posted July 14 Just now, ghostwriter said: What is masculinity? What is what? How do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostwriter Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: What is what? How do you mean? You said that white men commit suicide at a higher rate because of toxic masculinity. 1.) What is masculinity? 2.) What is toxic masculinity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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