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7 minutes ago, BillsDad51 said:

Javon Solomon is only player listed as EDGE on the roster. Not making a big deal out of it, but it is a little curious.

Von Miller is listed as a linebacker.  I wouldnt put too much stock into the Bills website.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Von Miller is listed as a linebacker.  I wouldnt put too much stock into the Bills website.

 

Bills website once reported wrong score for a game.  QA is not a big thing there.

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Back when I was younger, there was no such a thing as an EDGE. Considering DEs make more money than LBs, some ingenious agent said, my client isn’t a LB, he should be paid as a DE, because all he does is rush the passer. Thus the EDGE was born. But they are basically just a LB.

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If he can stick as a STs player that may guarantee him a roster spot but I do wonder if he can:

 

• Big enough to hold up as a pure EDGE.

• Play off the ball.

• Play EDGE in wide formations.

• Blitz from SAM.

• Any positional versatility.

• Can he hold up in zone coverage.

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19 minutes ago, ghostwriter said:

If he can stick as a STs player that may guarantee him a roster spot but I do wonder if he can:

 

• Big enough to hold up as a pure EDGE.

• Play off the ball.

• Play EDGE in wide formations.

• Blitz from SAM.

• Any positional versatility.

• Can he hold up in zone coverage.


Maybe play the same position as Lorenzo Alexander? 

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What I don't understand is why EDGE is in all caps? It's not an abbreviation like QB, DL, LB, or WR. I mean, Nobody else gets their entire position spelled out in all caps.

 

That lack of consistency in how we abbreviate and capitalize positions... I mean, you just can't win a Super Bowl with that kind of indifference. Just can't. 

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2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Von Miller is listed as a linebacker.  I wouldnt put too much stock into the Bills website.

I think to have his jersey number he had to be listed as a linebacker.

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3 hours ago, ghostwriter said:

If he can stick as a STs player that may guarantee him a roster spot but I do wonder if he can:

 

• Big enough to hold up as a pure EDGE.

• Play off the ball.

• Play EDGE in wide formations.

• Blitz from SAM.

• Any positional versatility.

• Can he hold up in zone coverage.

Bills DEs feel very strong side/weak side right now. Strong side is Rousseau with smoot as back up and weak side is AJ/Von split with Javon also getting in but even less early downs.  
 

strong/weak side may not be to the TE so much as passing strength because you want taron with Rousseau ahead of him on the passing strength. I ain’t got the time but I wonder how much taron lined up on groot or Shaqs side on early downs. Obvious passing and run downs wouldn’t need this approach as much imo. 

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5 hours ago, BillsDad51 said:

Javon Solomon is only player listed as EDGE on the roster. Not making a big deal out of it, but it is a little curious.

 

So . . . you're saying this situation doesn't have you on the EDGE of your seat? 😮

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If it's an issue of nomenclature I have seen it before used to designate a pass rushing specialist, especially when you're trying to parse the difference between a 3-4 and 4-3 scheme DE.

 

There is bleed and sensational players but the spectrum usually looks something like this:

- 3/4 DE: a big body, usually a space eater. Mostly a dying out position.

- 4/3 DE: expected to be able to both set the edge in run support and pass rush, though it can vary how much of each. Mario Williams, Groot, Shaq.

-EDGE: a designated pass rusher. Lines up wide over the OT (or TE) and pins their ears back. Hughes, Von Miller

-Strongside linebacker: plays off but close to the line in run support, often included in blitz packages. The Bills have mostly phased it out to play 4-2 nickel but this was what Lorenzo Alexander was designated as in McDermott's first year.

 

So calling him EDGE hints at his they plan to start him: coming in as a rotational pass rusher, especially on third and long situations, which matches his draft profile and a body type similar to Hughes.

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9 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Von Miller is listed as a linebacker.  I wouldnt put too much stock into the Bills website.

 

 

 

Well, he's certainly not an edge rusher anymore. So that is about right.

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2 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

If it's an issue of nomenclature I have seen it before used to designate a pass rushing specialist, especially when you're trying to parse the difference between a 3-4 and 4-3 scheme DE.

 

There is bleed and sensational players but the spectrum usually looks something like this:

- 3/4 DE: a big body, usually a space eater. Mostly a dying out position.

- 4/3 DE: expected to be able to both set the edge in run support and pass rush, though it can vary how much of each. Mario Williams, Groot, Shaq.

-EDGE: a designated pass rusher. Lines up wide over the OT (or TE) and pins their ears back. Hughes, Von Miller

-Strongside linebacker: plays off but close to the line in run support, often included in blitz packages. The Bills have mostly phased it out to play 4-2 nickel but this was what Lorenzo Alexander was designated as in McDermott's first year.

 

So calling him EDGE hints at his they plan to start him: coming in as a rotational pass rusher, especially on third and long situations, which matches his draft profile and a body type similar to Hughes.

 I like your analysis here... I think one of the other things is that he will never or almost never be in pass coverage like a true LB. 

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