SCBills Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Andddd we’re back to nakedly partisan mainstream media propaganda. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Why did Trump lie then? I mean elections are so important and he sh it all over the process. Is Trump crazy or evil? Politicians on both sides lie. That is nothing new. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr-Bills Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 4 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: You stated " as you understand" and it was completely wrong, I don't have time argue each point but I will pick one, you actually claimed Trump is broke when every accounting firm and bank believes he is a billionaire. You are a lost cause if you are defending Tik Tok. I suggest you do a minimal amount of googling about tic tok. says here that the felon (not name calling just what he is) owes over 500 million and has maybe 600 million in liquid assets. So not broke but close. Also the real estate value inflation was exactly what he owes the fines for so not sure we can really trust those values. Trump value ‘finally the ‘lost cause’ is the 50 year project to convince people that the civil war was fought for states rights without discussing what ‘right’ that was, which was to allow some people to own other people. The lost cause. p.s. I’m posting this because I’m not giving up on my fellow American citizens. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 1 minute ago, Gregg said: Politicians on both sides lie. That is nothing new. But saying an election was stolen, stirring up a mob and then doubling down after it was all over, just reprehensible. You know about the fake electors scheme, right? Trying to steal the election, that's un-American and a huge crime against our country He isn't a leader, he is a criminal 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 3 hours ago, sherpa said: I assert that under current tax law, going after the super rich is not likely to produce desired results. They are smart enough and tax savvy enough to be within the law. If you want to tap into those assets, you have to change tax law. uh huh. that'd be great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 2 hours ago, Starr-Bills said: Tone deaf and real 1860’s vibes. I love the insults you try to add to her name, where did you learn that trick, fifth grade, to think a woman laughing (or sounding ‘shrill’) is some how so offensive you your delicate man ears. Name calling. Grow up. You want to actually have a conversation about her potential first term, start there. I expect she will improve health care for millions of Americans (there is a racket you might want to be mad about, health insurance, that affects and ruins so many lives), she will support our allies like Ukraine (assuming Biden doesn’t end it in the next six months with a RU defeat), the tone if not policy will change towards Israel, maybe the bipartisan boarder deal could get signed once the convicted felon is done, support for unions, taxes on the very wealthy (I’m sure you don’t have to worry about that), continued investment in manufacturing job growth, reduction in dependence on fossil fuels (and look fossil fuels are useful, and pack a dense amount of energy, a chain saw is a good example of proper use, but using carbon emissions for EVERYTHING is just a bad idea) which would have the side effect of strengthening our supply - reduced used means the stock pile and drilling will last longer, secure SS and Medicare, and finally let’s not forget bringing some sanity to SCOTUS. The other thing she will do, no doubt, is energize this country, especially the young, that this country has unlimited potential when the government of the people works for the people. That a bright future not ruled by hate and insults is possible in the country. i expect also that the prosecutions for the felon will resume once his billionaire buddies bow out of the sinking ship. But I don’t expect she will use the insane ruling by SCOTUS to act like a queen above the law and Take out a political rival, as her whole career has been enforcing the rule of law. just my opinion, and hope, ymmv. Sounds like Utopia is right around the corner! 1)For starters, health Insurance premiums skyrocketed under Obamacare. I can tell you 2 policies right off the bat which Harris is promoting that will bankrupt an already bankrupt America. Open borders and free healthcare for migrants. 2)With regards to Ukraine. Not every nation in this world subscribes to woke western ideology. Russia is one of them and the longer NATO keeps encroaching on it's borders, the longer that war is gonna go on. Maybe it's time for Zelenskyy and Putin to get each other on the phone and have a candid conversation about how to end this thing because Ukraine will never win that war without other nations getting involved in a larger capacity. Do you want to send your kids to fight in another war? 3) More taxes on the wealthy is probably number 1 way to reduce manufacturing job growth so I'd like you to tell me how that policy is going to work out. 4) The left's hate on carbon is interesting. For all the talk about climate change and green energy why do you seem to forget that carbon IS the green energy. All life on earth is carbon based. Humans extract carbon for energy, emit carbon byproducts, plant life consumes it and eventually redeposits that carbon back into the earth. Seems like the perfect cycle of energy to me. Yes, currently the world population is emitting carbon at a growing rate...but...technology is advancing at an order of magnitude greater rate. Let the the transition to cleaner, alternate forms of energy happen naturally without hyper-aggressive regulations and carbon taxes. 5) Teamsters union just came out and supported Donald Trump this election cycle. Maybe they are starting to realize it's the republicans that are the real working class party. 6) "That a bright future not ruled by hate and insults is possible in the country. " Start off your post by making snide remark to previous poster then twice reference former president as "convicted felon". For someone who is looking for a hate free future you seem to be harboring a lot of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 7 minutes ago, Starr-Bills said: I suggest you do a minimal amount of googling about tic tok. says here that the felon (not name calling just what he is) owes over 500 million and has maybe 600 million in liquid assets. So not broke but close. Also the real estate value inflation was exactly what he owes the fines for so not sure we can really trust those values. Trump value ‘finally the ‘lost cause’ is the 50 year project to convince people that the civil war was fought for states rights without discussing what ‘right’ that was, which was to allow some people to own other people. The lost cause. p.s. I’m posting this because I’m not giving up on my fellow American citizens. https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/article/the-definitive-networth-of-donaldtrump/ CBS is quoting Forbes which never lists him less 2+ billion for over a decade and now has him at 7+ billion. Your understanding of math is terrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 17 minutes ago, Gregg said: Politicians on both sides lie. That is nothing new. And there it is!! The classic ######lican response. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 3 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: It seems the people that know her best, her staff, think she's a complete jerk. A 92% staff turnover rate in 3 years is the number I saw. That should be a clue. And once she starts speaking the buzz will ll be over. What was the turnover for cabinet members in the trump admin.? Even his VP despises him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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All_Pro_Bills Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: What was the turnover for cabinet members in the trump admin.? Even his VP despises him. I'm pretty confident it wasn't 92%. And in retrospect, why did Trump even pick Pence? He was politically useless. That and other Trump decisions were head scratchers. Earlier this year I read a blog article from this fellow that penned a story titled "Trumpenstein and the Death of Politics". The writer has an interesting and somewhat comical theory. While I don't buy into it, it is entertaining reading. https://donaldjeffries.substack.com/p/trumpenstein-and-the-death-of-politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 20 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: What was the turnover for cabinet members in the trump admin.? Even his VP despises him. You said "member" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr-Bills Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 22 minutes ago, Lost said: Sounds like Utopia is right around the corner! 1)For starters, health Insurance premiums skyrocketed under Obamacare. I can tell you 2 policies right off the bat which Harris is promoting that will bankrupt an already bankrupt America. Open borders and free healthcare for migrants. 2)With regards to Ukraine. Not every nation in this world subscribes to woke western ideology. Russia is one of them and the longer NATO keeps encroaching on it's borders, the longer that war is gonna go on. Maybe it's time for Zelenskyy and Putin to get each other on the phone and have a candid conversation about how to end this thing because Ukraine will never win that war without other nations getting involved in a larger capacity. Do you want to send your kids to fight in another war? 3) More taxes on the wealthy is probably number 1 way to reduce manufacturing job growth so I'd like you to tell me how that policy is going to work out. 4) The left's hate on carbon is interesting. For all the talk about climate change and green energy why do you seem to forget that carbon IS the green energy. All life on earth is carbon based. Humans extract carbon for energy, emit carbon byproducts, plant life consumes it and eventually redeposits that carbon back into the earth. Seems like the perfect cycle of energy to me. Yes, currently the world population is emitting carbon at a growing rate...but...technology is advancing at an order of magnitude greater rate. Let the the transition to cleaner, alternate forms of energy happen naturally without hyper-aggressive regulations and carbon taxes. 5) Teamsters union just came out and supported Donald Trump this election cycle. Maybe they are starting to realize it's the republicans that are the real working class party. 6) "That a bright future not ruled by hate and insults is possible in the country. " Start off your post by making snide remark to previous poster then twice reference former president as "convicted felon". For someone who is looking for a hate free future you seem to be harboring a lot of it. A. Last time I checked “a more perfect union” so yea let’s try. 1. instead of creating a single payer healthcare system similar to Medicare, Medicaid and VA in order to get any benefit to the people a compromise was made to involve the insurance companies, though I mentioned in an earlier post that I was on a leadership team of a healthcare startup that was funded by a large insurance company and a large media company we spent a lot of time well. The board spent a lot of time figuring out how to get around ACA protections. And healthcare costs skyrocketed specifically because the way that they are allowed to make more money for themselves, as they are limited by law to I believe 15% for salaries and overhead and 85% for actual healthcare for clients, is to raise the rates because then that 15% becomes bigger. However, the ACA has been a real benefit to almost 30,000,000 Americans allowing them to have access to any healthcare expensive or not and it’s still less expensive and provides a bare minimum standard of coverage. I’ll take that over letting people suffer any day of the week. sidebar people have this idea that they want unfettered capitalism let the market sort it out. here’s a good way to think about that. Would you rather spend one night alone in an Amazon rainforest or in an English garden? The Amazon rainforest is unfettered capitalism the English garden is a socialist capitalist model, the plants in the garden are limited, but they’re provided with the right soil the right sun light, the right pruning etc. to ensure they flourish. And the best part is, it is done in the democracy so instead of having one gardener, who decides who grows where all the plants decide together. Hopefully that metaphor didn’t go too far off the rails. 2. That is like saying someone moves into house, kills your dog and then you should have a phone call about you giving them an extra bedroom and the kitchen. This is in effect what Putin has done to Ukraine. I’m seriously old enough to remember when the Soviet Union was an enemy of the United States, that whole communism thing that everybody keeps talking about and Putin’s Russia which he’s trying to turn back into the Soviet Union because he’s never gotten over getting his ass kicked. Who is also an international criminal the enemy of the United States and the opposite of freedom and democracy so I’m not really sure why you’re supporting them. They really haven’t changed. Putin has killed over half a million of his own citizens. Why would anybody support that? Honestly confused how anyone not -aid or brainwashed by Putin could support him. 3. So let me get this straight Republicans impeach Clinton and then force him to sign NAFTA which exports jobs meanwhile also killing the tax base by reducing taxes on wealthy corporations and individuals with this vague idea that they will out of the goodness of their billionaire hearts allow the little people to make a trickle so far so good. We keep hearing about make America great again. Take us back to the 60s take us back to the 50s the tax rate at the time when America was ““ so great was between 60 and 80% so yeah I think high taxes will help build the infrastructure, train the workforce and provide healthcare For the people of the country which is more more than lower tax rates for a few really rich people. Let’s talk about your point where jobs would flee businesses would flee where would they go? Assuming the United States can maintain a democracy and the rule of law there is no country on the planet better to have a business in even if if the tax rates were twice what they currently are. agree to disagree 4. Great let’s just get into a scientific discussion about how the greenhouse effect in CO2 and methane enhance that and that the burning of fossil fuels fills the atmosphere with these two chemicals which causes the temperature to rise because solar energy doesn’t escape and look you and I hear are not going to decide that, but everything we can do to limit the amount of carbon dioxide, and the amount of heating that the planet experiences is a good thing so sure EV cars runoff of nuclear power plants windmills solar power, power plants, LP gas, power pants oil, power plants hell even coal however in all of those cases, those are regulated and limited and it’s much easier to patrol or police a few hundred power plants and ensure that they’re complying with emissions and regulations than it is with millions and millions hundreds of millions of cars and trucks and generators and lawn mowers and Leaf blowers, etc. etc. etc. also this point about happening naturally if the oil companies have so much money and so much leverage over the government how is anyone to compete? That’s the whole point of the government to level the playing field last time I checked corporations operate at the pleasure of the government they pay taxes and our regulated to ensure the safety and protection of the population. This is why we all get business licenses for our businesses Tea pot dome. 5. Yeah, well isn’t the teamsters owned by the mob? Jokes aside Even if it isn’t, great one union organization came out for Donald Trump, dozens with millions of members have come out for Harris so obviously just going by the numbers, union workers Trust Democrats more than they trust Republicans. 6. He is a convicted felon, somehow you knew who I was referencing, and as point of fact important as we discuss who we are electing. She is not a DEI hire. Dei, crt, affirmative action, are all code for race or gender. The attacks on her laughing or being shrill are old school attacks on women being annoying to men, this is sexism. So how about we stick to the merits of the case being made. He’s a felon, she is Vice President of the United States. To me, calling a woman a ‘DEI hire’ and ‘shrill and I hate her voice and why does she laugh like that’ which is the real problem? so my remarks are not snide, and I am happy to have a deep discussion about how we transition from an oil, dominated fossil fuel dominated economy to more sustainable and less less environmentally destructive economy, and what the appropriate tax rates would be for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Dam shame Twitter 1.0 is gone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 4 minutes ago, Starr-Bills said: That is like saying someone moves into house, kills your dog and then you should have a phone call about you giving them an extra bedroom and the kitchen. This is in effect what Putin has done to Ukraine. I’m seriously old enough to remember when the Soviet Union was an enemy of the United States, that whole communism thing that everybody keeps talking about and Putin’s Russia which he’s trying to turn back into the Soviet Union because he’s never gotten over getting his ass kicked. My question for the candidates (it'll never get asked): "Ronald Reagan famously called the former Soviet Union an "evil empire." Do you consider Putin's Russia today to be an evil empire? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr-Bills Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 50 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/article/the-definitive-networth-of-donaldtrump/ CBS is quoting Forbes which never lists him less 2+ billion for over a decade and now has him at 7+ billion. Your understanding of math is terrible. You did read the article where it said most of his wealth is held in real estate. Even if he wasn’t mortgaged to the hilt that is not liquid which is what I said. I’ll paste the article here so everyone playing along at home can judge. (Screen shots are too large) In 2022, Forbes pegged his wealth at $3 billion, while in 2016 his worth was estimated at $4.6 billion. How much is Trump worth? As of mid-March 2024, Forbes estimates Trump's net worth at $2.6 billion, putting the real estate developer at No. 1,290 on the magazine's list of the world's richest people. Although his wealth has dropped, the combined $88.3 million awards stemming from the Carroll rulings represents a small fraction of his overall wealth. Even so, the $464 million judgement related to Trump's civil fraud case is straining his ability to find a financial institution that will consider a bond of that size, his attorneys said on Monday. "[A] bond requirement of this enormous magnitude, effectively requiring cash reserves approaching $1 billion ... is unprecedented," the attorneys wrote in a nearly 5,000-page filing on Monday. "Very few bonding companies will consider a bond of anything approaching that magnitude," they added. To be sure, Trump's real estate holdings are far more valuable than the bond amount, but a Trump Organization executive wrote in the Monday filing that surety companies are unwilling to accept real estate as collateral. Where does Trump's wealth come from? Trump's wealth largely stems from real estate, spanning residential buildings in New York City to golf courses and hotels around the world. According to Bloomberg, one of his largest assets is his $500 million stake in 1290 Avenue of the Americas, an office building in Manhattan. Trump also has $600 million in liquid assets, while his Trump National Doral Miami Golf Resort is worth about $300 million, Bloomberg said. Why has Trump's net worth declined? Some of Trump's real estate holdings have been hurt by the pandemic, with Trump's office buildings suffering from weak demand due to the growth in remote work. His office buildings declined in value by $170 million, according to Forbes. On top of that, Trump's stake in Truth Social contributed to his fall from the Forbes 400 list. The social media platform was started as a conservative-leaning alternative to Facebook and other social forums, and the company once predicted it would top 40 million users. But at the end of 2023, Forbes estimated that Truth Social has signed up just 6.5 million users — about 1% of the users on X (previously known as Twitter). Because of Truth Social's growth challenges, Forbes lowered the value of its parent company to $100 million, down from $730 million in 2022. The venture could still prove highly lucrative for the former President now that securities regulators have cleared a long-planned merger between Truth Social's parent, Trump Media & Technology Group, and its funding partner. Trump is in line to receive nearly 79 million shares in the new business to be created by the merger. Based on its funding partner's current stock price, that stake could be worth as much as $4 billion. (Note this is based on old higher price for the stock) 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: My question for the candidates (it'll never get asked): "Ronald Reagan famously called the former Soviet Union an "evil empire." Do you consider Putin's Russia today to be an evil empire? Putin sure wants it to be, just ask his neighbors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: My question for the candidates (it'll never get asked): "Ronald Reagan famously called the former Soviet Union an "evil empire." Do you consider Putin's Russia today to be an evil empire? My question for the candidates (it’ll never get asked) ”Barack Obama famously said the 80s called and want their foreign policy back.” what the f was he thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 2 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: My question for the candidates (it’ll never get asked) ”Barack Obama famously said the 80s called and want their foreign policy back.” what the f was he thinking? That's why we should have elected Mitt Romney in 2012 ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Andddd we’re back to nakedly partisan mainstream media propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 I expect more and more of this stupidity. No, Kamala was not made "border Czar." She was given the nebulous task of finding the "root causes" of a wave of Central American immigration. Did she ever issue a report? Discuss her findings? Meet with Central American leaders? All fair questions. Was she the "border Czar?" That was something made up or used as shorthand by media sources. There was no such thing. The blame for actual border policy falls squarely on Biden and Mayorkas. Ask her questions about policy going forward, since that's what she will be in control of if elected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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