Einstein Posted July 2 Posted July 2 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Ending the Electoral College is an official act But not of the President. The President doesn’t have the authority. 1
daz28 Posted July 2 Posted July 2 8 minutes ago, Doc said: Would you libs trade the immunity ruling for, say, the 34 felonies and EJC rulings? Would you trade holding criminals accountable by trial by jury of their peers(a pretty well-known and supported American institution) for no chance in hell the criminal ever faces justice???
Tiberius Posted July 2 Author Posted July 2 8 minutes ago, Einstein said: But not of the President. The President doesn’t have the authority. So what? Trump is running on being a dictator, the Conservative Court just gave him the legal right to do so, and if the majority wants to stop that they should. The Court just ripped up the Constitution and put Biden in charge 2
daz28 Posted July 2 Posted July 2 17 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: When you think someone is Hitler, EVERYTHING is on the table…😉 And the inverse is, if someone is Hitler, should everything be on the table, or rather in his case under the table, but not blocked by heaven wood legs? Oh yeah, no open windows either. Try to imagine a country where if Stauffenberg was president, he could legally bomb whoever he wanted. Right now our country couldn't possibly be any more upside down. What a mess.
Tiberius Posted July 2 Author Posted July 2 1 hour ago, daz28 said: No, but that's the hand that we just got played, and again that goes for both sides. The simpletons think this is a win for them, but it's only a win for the executive branch. Biden doing something dumb, that the Republicans will certainly outdo in the future blaming the Democrats for, isn't the answer. So you think the country can survive, what will in essence be, a Trump dictatorship, and at some point we go back to normal? I'd like to believe that, but I can't get there. 2
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted July 2 Posted July 2 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: I'm advocating for democracy. The winner of popular vote wins, period. And whatever it takes for the people to win what is theirs, so be it You hate the constitution and should move to Russia. That sounds pretty stupid doesn’t it? I learned from the master. 1
aristocrat Posted July 2 Posted July 2 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So you think the country can survive, what will in essence be, a Trump dictatorship, and at some point we go back to normal? I'd like to believe that, but I can't get there. How did trump act like a dictator in his first presidency? Please be very specific 1
JaCrispy Posted July 2 Posted July 2 4 minutes ago, daz28 said: And the inverse is, if someone is Hitler, should everything be on the table, or rather in his case under the table, but not blocked by heaven wood legs? Oh yeah, no open windows either. Try to imagine a country where if Stauffenberg was president, he could legally bomb whoever he wanted. Right now our country couldn't possibly be any more upside down. What a mess. People need to trust that our Constitution has provided the checks and balances to prevent anything like Nazi Germany from happening… Otherwise you’re going to have both parties calling all candidates Hitler just so they can use authoritarian power and control…👍 1
Einstein Posted July 2 Posted July 2 12 minutes ago, Tiberius said: the Conservative Court just gave him the legal right to do so SCOTUS did not give Trump the authority to alter the constitution. They gave him immunity from official acts. Those are two completely seperate things. 2 1
Westside Posted July 2 Posted July 2 6 minutes ago, Einstein said: SCOTUS did not give Trump the authority to alter the constitution. They gave him immunity from official acts. Those are two completely seperate things. Don’t try to stop him, he’s on a roll. 1
daz28 Posted July 2 Posted July 2 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Einstein said: SCOTUS did not give Trump the authority to alter the constitution. They gave him immunity from official acts. Those are two completely seperate things. The problem is there's no one above him to tell him what his official acts are. He is in charge of the military, and there's zero constraints on that. trump was going to fire AG's until he got one that disputed the election. Don't you think he can do that with military commanders until he gets one that follows the orders??? Absolutely no order he gives the military can be considered a crime. None. Zero. Zilch. Will trump go rogue? Maybe not, but somewhere down the line, if that ability exists, it will inevitably happen. A president can literally declare martial law, kill American citizens, adjourn Congress so they can't impeach him, and then go play golf when his term is up. That is our new reality. 15 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: People need to trust that our Constitution has provided the checks and balances to prevent anything like Nazi Germany from happening… Otherwise you’re going to have both parties calling all candidates Hitler just so they can use authoritarian power and control…👍 Unfortunately, we just took some of those checks away. I didn't trust the government before this, and now I trust it far less. The president can now use the military as an authoritarian, and we have to hope that he doesn't have loyalist generals. Imagine what General Steve Bannon would do if he wasn't constrained. Edited July 2 by daz28 1 1
Einstein Posted July 2 Posted July 2 7 minutes ago, daz28 said: The problem is there's no one above him to tell him what his official acts are. Imagine you're an accountant for a hardware store. This ruling would mean that in your role as an accountant, you wouldn't be prosecuted for actions performed as part of your job. For example, if you did something unethical like fudging numbers or hiding money, you would have immunity for those acts within your accounting duties. However, this ruling does not magically give, an accountant, the authority to transform the hardware store into an ice cream shop. Such an act is outside your role as an accountant. Similarly, today's SCOTUS ruling ensures that official acts of the President are immune from prosecution, within the bounds of his role. It does not however grant the President the power to override the Constitution. 1
Doc Posted July 2 Posted July 2 26 minutes ago, daz28 said: Would you trade holding criminals accountable by trial by jury of their peers(a pretty well-known and supported American institution) for no chance in hell the criminal ever faces justice??? I usually like criminal acts to be proven and/or adjudicated in a timely manner. The reason why Trump raised a shitload of money and rose in the polls after the guilty verdict in the hush money case is because many people knew it was purely political. 2
Pokebball Posted July 2 Posted July 2 1 hour ago, daz28 said: Says who? Right now some rando judge is determining that on a case-by-case basis. If you recall, trumps fake electors scheme was actually based on electors instead of votes by qualified citizens. What was his official role in that??? Constitution
daz28 Posted July 2 Posted July 2 Just now, Doc said: I usually like criminal acts to be proven and/or adjudicated in a timely manner. The reason why Trump raised a shitload of money and rose in the polls after the guilty verdict in the hush money case is because many people knew it was purely political. Ok, so we just put our democracy in check, because we're worried that some 70-year-old ex-presidents might be treated unfairly? That outweighs the good that law and order for all, including the president was providing. That's completely ridiculous and insane. To protect that one guy, which btw has never spent a minute in jail in our history, we had to cave to the idea that he could legally murder citizens and political opponents at will with no justice. Asinine! 1
Pokebball Posted July 2 Posted July 2 (edited) Just now, daz28 said: Ok, so we just put our democracy in check, because we're worried that some 70-year-old ex-presidents might be treated unfairly? That outweighs the good that law and order for all, including the president was providing. That's completely ridiculous and insane. To protect that one guy, which btw has never spent a minute in jail in our history, we had to cave to the idea that he could legally murder citizens and political opponents at will with no justice. Asinine! You're seeing this 100% through your hatred of one man. Long term, this is good for all Potus' Edited July 2 by Pokebball
daz28 Posted July 2 Posted July 2 Just now, Pokebball said: Constitution So who walks up to him with the Constitution in hand, and says, sorry sir, but you can't do that? The Constitution says he controls the military, and that's IT! maybe if you read the Constitution, you'd realize that most of it is very vague, and mostly just a few lines, Do you think the SCOTUS follows him around in a black entourage to make sure he's only performing 'official duties'? How many times a week do you tell your boss/owner no, because that's what the employee manual says? He'd fire you in a heartbeat, and hire someone who isn't insubordinate. Do you suppose presidents could do that too? 3 minutes ago, Pokebball said: You're seeing this 100% through your hatred of one man. Long term, this is good for all Potus' I've already made it clear we have to look at this beyond trump and Biden. You're going to be happy living and thinking that everything is going to be fine, even though at any time one man has the power to say, the hell it is. LOL 1
Tenhigh Posted July 2 Posted July 2 19 hours ago, Tiberius said: Yes, the people are losing control. You got that right. Putin must be proud Aren't you the guy who just said we should ignore the constitution? 1 1
Tiberius Posted July 2 Author Posted July 2 2 hours ago, Tenhigh said: Aren't you the guy who just said we should ignore the constitution? The Constitution just got neutered. Is there really a Constitution anymore if the President is above the law? Was that not the whole purpose of the Constitution? What Constitution? 2
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