Big Blitz Posted July 18 Posted July 18 3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Good riddance. With our system, we got Trump in 2016 because half a dozen other competitors split the 60+% of the Republican vote that didn't go for Trump. With our system, we got Biden in 2020 for much the same reason. The modern Primary system was a response to the whole 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention riots and all the talk of the smoke-filled room poohbahs thwarting the will of the (young) Democrats. Since then we've discovered that a pure primary system is a neat way to make sure that your nominee is a candidate that the majority of your electorate doesn't actually want or like, and it is the nature of our primary system to reward candidates who are toward the far right or far left. It's high time to rethink how we've been doing things. You never would have got Obama. This is the most undemocratic b.s. I’ve read on here. 1 1
Lost Posted July 18 Posted July 18 8 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Good riddance. With our system, we got Trump in 2016 because half a dozen other competitors split the 60+% of the Republican vote that didn't go for Trump. With our system, we got Biden in 2020 for much the same reason. The modern Primary system was a response to the whole 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention riots and all the talk of the smoke-filled room poohbahs thwarting the will of the (young) Democrats. Since then we've discovered that a pure primary system is a neat way to make sure that your nominee is a candidate that the majority of your electorate doesn't actually want or like, and it is the nature of our primary system to reward candidates who are toward the far right or far left. It's high time to rethink how we've been doing things. Man, the f'n arrogance to think some group of shadow elites and big government know what's best for people. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted July 18 Posted July 18 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: You never would have got Obama. This is the most undemocratic b.s. I’ve read on here. "Undemocratic." What is more undemocratic than imposing a two-party system on Americans, with state sanctioned parties on state sanctioned ballots, that results in a choice between two candidates who don't even come close to 51% approval? George Washington famously warned about the creation of political parties. I think at this point I would prefer the states to disengage from this nonsense and to run a "jungle primary" in which there is one single ballot, Republicans/Democrats/Others, with the top two vote-getters advancing to a final election day run-off. Now that would be democracy. 2 minutes ago, Lost said: Man, the f'n arrogance to think some group of shadow elites and big government know what's best for people. Read my next comment ^ I'm not calling for a return to the smoke-filled room. The solution is more democracy. Edited July 18 by The Frankish Reich
Big Blitz Posted July 18 Posted July 18 1 minute ago, Lost said: Man, the f'n arrogance to think some group of shadow elites and big government know what's best for people. It’s clear as day now - they called us conspiracy theorists for this to. Obama has complete control over the Democrat party. And Soros has complete control of Obama. It makes ZERO difference what Ds are on the ticket. Contrast that with the Republican Party. One works for global socialists. The other is American. 2 1
The Frankish Reich Posted July 18 Posted July 18 2016 Republican Primaries. Here's what our "democratic" primary system did. - Iowa caucus: Trump 24%, others 76% - NH: Trump 35% - SC: 32.5% ("winner take all" so he got all the delegates even though 2/3 of Republican voters preferred someone else) - NV: 45.7 then the Super Tuesday states: - AL: 43.4 - AK: 33.6 - AR: 32.8 - GA: 39 - MA: 49 - MN: 21 - OK: 28 - TN: 39 - TX: 27 - VT: 33 - VA: 35 But he "won" 7 of those states (without a majority in any) with an aggregate vote percent of 34.4%. Again, 2 in 3 Republican voters wanted someone else. And that continued with the March 5-12 primaries where he "won" 5 states (Cruz 3), again without a majority in any. The next Super Tuesday, Trump "won" 4 states/territories with his only majority vote in ... the North Marianas Islands. Kasich won his native Ohio. And it was pretty much over without Trump EVER winning a majority in any state/territory other than super-critical Marianas Islands. Only Cruz and Kasich remained, so Trump finally got a majority in NY on April 19, which mathematically eliminated Cruz. And that's what our incredibly undemocratic primary process hath wrought.
Big Blitz Posted July 18 Posted July 18 6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: 2016 Republican Primaries. Here's what our "democratic" primary system did. - Iowa caucus: Trump 24%, others 76% - NH: Trump 35% - SC: 32.5% ("winner take all" so he got all the delegates even though 2/3 of Republican voters preferred someone else) - NV: 45.7 then the Super Tuesday states: - AL: 43.4 - AK: 33.6 - AR: 32.8 - GA: 39 - MA: 49 - MN: 21 - OK: 28 - TN: 39 - TX: 27 - VT: 33 - VA: 35 But he "won" 7 of those states (without a majority in any) with an aggregate vote percent of 34.4%. Again, 2 in 3 Republican voters wanted someone else. And that continued with the March 5-12 primaries where he "won" 5 states (Cruz 3), again without a majority in any. The next Super Tuesday, Trump "won" 4 states/territories with his only majority vote in ... the North Marianas Islands. Kasich won his native Ohio. And it was pretty much over without Trump EVER winning a majority in any state/territory other than super-critical Marianas Islands. Only Cruz and Kasich remained, so Trump finally got a majority in NY on April 19, which mathematically eliminated Cruz. And that's what our incredibly undemocratic primary process hath wrought. Trump breaking and exposing the left is going to be his greatest achievement. I am unburdened. 1
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted July 18 Posted July 18 47 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Because he's losing. If his mental fitness is ok, what do you see as the reasons for this? 2
The Frankish Reich Posted July 18 Posted July 18 8 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: If his mental fitness is ok, what do you see as the reasons for this? He's too old. The debate revealed that he looks and sounds older and more tired than people had really internalized. So it's sunk in ... no 81 year old should be running for President. Especially this 81 year old. Yes, and a lot of people think his mental fitness is not o.k. For me it's a sliding scale, and it's not ideal, but yes, it's o.k. to continue as President. I've seen no outrageous errors from his White House other than the Afghanistan withdrawal, and that was obviously something that was done based on very flawed information from the "experts."
The Frankish Reich Posted July 18 Posted July 18 13 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Trump breaking and exposing the left is going to be his greatest achievement. I am unburdened. So look at those 2016 primary numbers and tell me how you call that "domocratic." You can defend our primary process on one of those "everyone knew the rules and the rules deemed Trump/Biden/Clinton/Whomever the winner." But the bottom line is that a plurality in a number of states gives one a disproportionate number of delegates, plus you've got the superdelegates, etc. It's focused on crowning a winner quickly, not on enacting the will of the people.
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 18 Posted July 18 22 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: 2016 Republican Primaries. Here's what our "democratic" primary system did. - Iowa caucus: Trump 24%, others 76% - NH: Trump 35% - SC: 32.5% ("winner take all" so he got all the delegates even though 2/3 of Republican voters preferred someone else) - NV: 45.7 then the Super Tuesday states: - AL: 43.4 - AK: 33.6 - AR: 32.8 - GA: 39 - MA: 49 - MN: 21 - OK: 28 - TN: 39 - TX: 27 - VT: 33 - VA: 35 But he "won" 7 of those states (without a majority in any) with an aggregate vote percent of 34.4%. Again, 2 in 3 Republican voters wanted someone else. And that continued with the March 5-12 primaries where he "won" 5 states (Cruz 3), again without a majority in any. The next Super Tuesday, Trump "won" 4 states/territories with his only majority vote in ... the North Marianas Islands. Kasich won his native Ohio. And it was pretty much over without Trump EVER winning a majority in any state/territory other than super-critical Marianas Islands. Only Cruz and Kasich remained, so Trump finally got a majority in NY on April 19, which mathematically eliminated Cruz. And that's what our incredibly undemocratic primary process hath wrought. The other version of elections is how you get guys like Hitler. And your concept of someone who most people like is unrealistic, I generally vote for the person I dislike the least. In the past 30 years I have had 2 politicians I really liked, and one was Mitt Romney who had me fooled.
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted July 18 Posted July 18 5 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: He's too old. The debate revealed that he looks and sounds older and more tired than people had really internalized. So it's sunk in ... no 81 year old should be running for President. Especially this 81 year old. Yes, and a lot of people think his mental fitness is not o.k. For me it's a sliding scale, and it's not ideal, but yes, it's o.k. to continue as President. I've seen no outrageous errors from his White House other than the Afghanistan withdrawal, and that was obviously something that was done based on very flawed information from the "experts." That you are satisfied with his tenure is a perfectly normal position to take. To be satisfied with his mental faculties a day after “you know, the black man” which is an example of something that now seems to occur hourly, is truly baffling. I doubt you actually believe it but are more just digging in on an ill-conceived comment. 1
K D Posted July 18 Posted July 18 3 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: There's people on here and others online saying how great he is...but the people that actually do this for a job say that there's no chance for him to win. "He's so popular...that he has to step down so he doesn't embarrass us by how bad he loses" 1
Big Blitz Posted July 18 Posted July 18 This is a coup in real time. Biden hasn’t said anything - these “leaks” are from Obama people designed to put pressure on him or when he eventually quits his base (LOL) will have understood it was inevitable and don’t want them blindsided and demoralized. Per the news today Biden’s thinking is being reported hourly.
reddogblitz Posted July 18 Posted July 18 6 hours ago, B-Man said: And that’s why Joe isn’t just a selfish bastard to hang on.” Joe is a selfish bastard to hang on.
The Frankish Reich Posted July 18 Posted July 18 2 hours ago, JDHillFan said: That you are satisfied with his tenure is a perfectly normal position to take. To be satisfied with his mental faculties a day after “you know, the black man” which is an example of something that now seems to occur hourly, is truly baffling. I doubt you actually believe it but are more just digging in on an ill-conceived comment. And if you really believe he is totally unfit, being a patriotic American you would be completely supportive of replacing him as the nominee, lest Trump do something truly idiotic and "incompetent" Biden is elected again.
reddogblitz Posted July 18 Posted July 18 4 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said: I'll believe it when (if) I see it.
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted July 18 Posted July 18 6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: And if you really believe he is totally unfit, being a patriotic American you would be completely supportive of replacing him as the nominee, lest Trump do something truly idiotic and "incompetent" Biden is elected again. He is unfit. You are the only person kidding yourself that it’s otherwise. Not just as the nominee. He has no business being in charge another hour. A danger and an embarrassment. 1
Lost Posted July 18 Posted July 18 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I'll believe it when (if) I see it. 2
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