SCBills Posted June 28 Posted June 28 1 minute ago, Tommy Callahan said: The "saving democracy crowd" seems to be ok with a bunch of non elected delegates and super delegates choosing who is on the ticket vs the peoples primary votes . Its already somewhat even on polling for who’s better in protecting democracy.. will be interesting to see how the public reacts to being given a nominee they didn’t choose. If R’s had any sense, they’d have a normal nominee and be guaranteed to win no matter what D’s do.. but as it stands, all guiding principles Dems claim to have will be disregarded as any means necessary to take down Trump. But passing over Kamala (black vote) and bypassing Democracy (independent vote) will be their two biggest hurdles if they manage to move Jill Biden out of the way. 2
Roundybout Posted June 28 Posted June 28 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: Its already somewhat even on polling for who’s better in protecting democracy.. will be interesting to see how the public reacts to being given a nominee they didn’t choose. If R’s had any sense, they’d have a normal nominee and be guaranteed to win no matter what D’s do.. but as it stands, all guiding principles Dems claim to have will be disregarded as any means necessary to take down Trump. But passing over Kamala (black vote) and bypassing Democracy (independent vote) will be their two biggest hurdles if they manage to move Jill Biden out of the way. If they want a Black candidate, Raphael Warnock would be a better pick Edited June 28 by Roundybout 1
SCBills Posted June 28 Posted June 28 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: If they want a Black candidate, Raphael Warnock would be a better pick I live in Georgia. He would have lost to anyone not named Herschel Walker. The fact it was as close as it was is insane because Walker was a hilariously awful candidate. He has a lot of issues that will come out under further national scrutiny and is not particularly well liked here. Ossoff is far stronger, but will lose his seat if Kemp runs against him after he finishes his time as Governor. 1
sherpa Posted June 28 Posted June 28 32 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Problem is Kamala is a former cop. That’s hurt her in Black vote and among progressives She's also an idiot, so there's that. 2 1 4 1
BillsFanNC Posted June 28 Posted June 28 There's a lot of talk about replacing Biden---and nothing is impossible. But the mechanics of it at this stage are far more involved and difficult than people imagine. Also consider the following factors 1) Biden does not want to give up power. With mounting legal troubles for his family, he's likely more interested in clinging to the pardon power than ever 2) If you read the Revolver piece, it goes into detail as to how the DNC procedures for removing him are not simple or easy---Biden has his own loyalists stacked in there. There are also ballot issues at this late stage in the game that are considerable 3) While many on the left finally realize Biden is a major liability, it really is too little too late. Even aside from the difficulties above, the Democrat elite would have to arrive at a consensus replacement. Who would that be? Kamala is a non-starter---they all hate her. So they need to come to a consensus candidate who isn't kamala harris and deal with the fallout to passing over a woman of color heir apparent. Yet another aggravation on top of Israel-Palestine that already has the base incensed 4) Even if they come up with a consensus candidate and are able to persuade Biden to leave, there's the problem of media preparation. The media is an amazing consensus manufacturing machine but such things require TIME and RUNWAY. That's the problem with it being too late---think of how much preparation went into conditioning the public mind for covid and everything that came after. This late in the game there's just not enough time and runway for the consensus machine to kick into gear effectively. This is not to say that there under no circumstances will be an effort to replace Biden. There could very well be, and it is more likely now than it was a week ago, though the likelihood of them actually replacing him is far less than people imagine even now. All of the steps and hurdles involved in replacing him would be uncertain and have their own risks, and give the public the impression of chaos that has to be weighed against the negative public impression of Biden's cognitive condition 2
Tommy Callahan Posted June 28 Posted June 28 1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said: There's a lot of talk about replacing Biden---and nothing is impossible. But the mechanics of it at this stage are far more involved and difficult than people imagine. Also consider the following factors 1) Biden does not want to give up power. With mounting legal troubles for his family, he's likely more interested in clinging to the pardon power than ever 2) If you read the Revolver piece, it goes into detail as to how the DNC procedures for removing him are not simple or easy---Biden has his own loyalists stacked in there. There are also ballot issues at this late stage in the game that are considerable 3) While many on the left finally realize Biden is a major liability, it really is too little too late. Even aside from the difficulties above, the Democrat elite would have to arrive at a consensus replacement. Who would that be? Kamala is a non-starter---they all hate her. So they need to come to a consensus candidate who isn't kamala harris and deal with the fallout to passing over a woman of color heir apparent. Yet another aggravation on top of Israel-Palestine that already has the base incensed 4) Even if they come up with a consensus candidate and are able to persuade Biden to leave, there's the problem of media preparation. The media is an amazing consensus manufacturing machine but such things require TIME and RUNWAY. That's the problem with it being too late---think of how much preparation went into conditioning the public mind for covid and everything that came after. This late in the game there's just not enough time and runway for the consensus machine to kick into gear effectively. This is not to say that there under no circumstances will be an effort to replace Biden. There could very well be, and it is more likely now than it was a week ago, though the likelihood of them actually replacing him is far less than people imagine even now. All of the steps and hurdles involved in replacing him would be uncertain and have their own risks, and give the public the impression of chaos that has to be weighed against the negative public impression of Biden's cognitive condition Lots of them seem to have forgotten the changes the dnc made so super delegates cannot vote on the first vote.
B-Man Posted June 28 Posted June 28 1 minute ago, Tommy Callahan said: Lots of them seem to have forgotten the changes the dnc made so super delegates cannot vote on the first vote. Tom. . . . . . . . . democrat 'rules' are easily bypassed if it is for the greater good. See N.J. 2 1
Big Blitz Posted June 28 Posted June 28 (edited) Legit Ds shouldn’t worry at all about 2024. We’re going to be doing this again in less than 3 years. Roe is done. And the world didn’t end. No parade of horribles with this Trump Court. What in the world are you really so terrified of other then losing? Other than the Black vote. Grow up. Man up. It’s not the end of the world. The play if you had any ounce of credibility is roll with the fake POTUS you have been telling us is awesome until 12 hours ago. Edited June 28 by Big Blitz
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted June 28 Posted June 28 50 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Biden just lets a random donor into top-secret conversations? You watched last night. Why are you imagining he’s making any decisions? Biden doesn’t let anyone do anything. He’s not capable. 1
Roundybout Posted June 28 Posted June 28 1 minute ago, JDHillFan said: You watched last night. Why are you imagining he’s making any decisions? Biden doesn’t let anyone do anything. He’s not capable. Ok, let’s assume that’s true, then let me rephrase - Bidens camp is allowing random hedge fund managers into private conversations?
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted June 28 Posted June 28 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: Ok, let’s assume that’s true, then let me rephrase - Bidens camp is allowing random hedge fund managers into private conversations? I don’t know about anyone else but I would be absolutely shocked if there were any leaks among the power players of the world. Your world is turning backwards today. Get a grip.
Roundybout Posted June 28 Posted June 28 4 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: I don’t know about anyone else but I would be absolutely shocked if there were any leaks among the power players of the world. Your world is turning backwards today. Get a grip. I know, and I’m not happy. The GOP is fully in on moving this country back 100 years. 1
BillsFanNC Posted June 28 Posted June 28 A dem donor leaking some inside baseball? Proceeed with caution and full skepticism. Trump called dead US soldiers suckers and losers in front of senior military? Of course he did!
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 28 Posted June 28 39 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Lots of them seem to have forgotten the changes the dnc made so super delegates cannot vote on the first vote. My understanding of the rules is delegates accumulated through primary victories are committed to voting for the primary winner on the first ballot and if no candidate achieves the necessary votes to win on the first ballot it opens up delegates to vote on the 2nd and future ballots for whomever they decide. Until a nominee is chosen. As he's virtually unopposed I expect Joe has the votes necessary for a first ballot win. 1
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted June 28 Posted June 28 16 minutes ago, Roundybout said: I know, and I’m not happy. The GOP is fully in on moving this country back 100 years. Put teen girl hysteria to the side, act somewhat adult-ish, and you’ll be fine. 1 3 1
Putin Posted June 28 Posted June 28 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Journalists don’t fund campaigns. Dana Bash would disagree
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted June 28 Posted June 28 59 minutes ago, sherpa said: She's also an idiot, so there's that. And a bad cop, allegedly. 1
Tommy Callahan Posted June 28 Posted June 28 Doesn't sound the democracy the left constantly references. To just ignore results of the millions of primary voters, to change the candidate.
Roundybout Posted June 28 Posted June 28 9 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Put teen girl hysteria to the side, act somewhat adult-ish, and you’ll be fine. No thanks, I’m a little miffed at the death of subject expertise in government
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