GunnerBill Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 17 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: The Dolphins? The team that can't beat anybody over .500? Yea but they are not dreadful. That is the accusation I was responding too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea but they are not dreadful. That is the accusation I was responding too. Untrue and misleading The division has been dreadful. That's what you were responding to. That the dolphins have merely been mediocre doesn't change that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 32 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Untrue and misleading The division has been dreadful. That's what you were responding to. That the dolphins have merely been mediocre doesn't change that A dreadful division doesn't send a second team to the playoffs 3 out of 4 years. If the poster had said the division has been mediocre I'd have no issue with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 29 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Untrue and misleading The division has been dreadful. That's what you were responding to. That the dolphins have merely been mediocre doesn't change that Huh? The AFC East has produced 5 WC teams since 2017. The AFC East has had 6 teams with 5 wins or less since 2017. The AFC North has produced 4 WC teams since 2017. The AFC North has produced 3 teams with 5 wins or less since 2017. The AFC West has produced 3 WC teams since 2017. The AFC West has produced 6 teams with 5 wins or less since 2017. The AFC South has produced 4 WC teams since 2017. The AFC South has produced 6 teams with 5 wins or less since 2017. What is the argument that the AFC East has sucked any more than the West or South? Not being the AFCN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: Huh? The AFC East has produced 5 WC teams since 2017. The AFC East has had 6 teams with 5 wins or less since 2017. The AFC North has produced 4 WC teams since 2017. The AFC North has produced 3 teams with 5 wins or less since 2017. The AFC West has produced 3 WC teams since 2017. The AFC West has produced 6 teams with 5 wins or less since 2017. The AFC South has produced 4 WC teams since 2017. The AFC South has produced 6 teams with 5 wins or less since 2017. What is the argument that the AFC East has sucked any more than the West or South? Not being the AFCN? Zach Wilson and Mac Jones Next 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Zach Wilson and Mac Jones Next Unlike the AFC South that has started luminaries like Will Levis, Sam Ehlinger, Matt Ryan’s corpse, Davis Mills, Kyle Allen, Jeff Driskel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Just now, FireChans said: Unlike the AFC South that has started luminaries like Will Levis, Sam Ehlinger, Matt Ryan’s corpse, Davis Mills, Kyle Allen, Jeff Driskel? AFCs has been terrible too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Just now, GoBills808 said: AFCs has been terrible too AFC West has started Simien, Keenum, Drew Lock, Easton Stick lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: AFC West has started Simien, Keenum, Drew Lock, Easton Stick lol The chargers would have been winning the AFCE at the same rate as the bills would be my wager 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: The chargers would have been winning the AFCE at the same rate as the bills would be my wager Chargers had the 29th ranked defense in points in 2022 when Herby was last fully healthy. Come on bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Just now, FireChans said: Chargers had the 29th ranked defense in points in 2022 when Herby was last fully healthy. Come on bro I'm not the one out here arguing the AFCE is some sort of gauntlet You guys just keep digging 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Just now, GoBills808 said: I'm not the one out here arguing the AFCE is some sort of gauntlet You guys just keep digging 😂😂 Nobody said gauntlet. Good work knocking down that strawman lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Just now, FireChans said: Nobody said gauntlet. Good work knocking down that strawman lmao Lol try to keep up The guy couldn't tell the difference between a team and a division😂😂 iirc he was the same one who said we have 'no elite talent on defense' while maintaining Ed Oliver is just a little below Chris Jones and Aaron Donald 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 On 7/3/2024 at 4:01 PM, uticaclub said: True, but the AFC East has been dreadful where the AFC North is a bloodbath. On 7/3/2024 at 4:12 PM, GunnerBill said: The AFCE isn't the AFCN, true, but dreadful overstates in. In the Bills four division winning seasons three times the AFCE has sent two teams to the postseason. I don't think dreadful is fair. 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Yea but they are not dreadful. That is the accusation I was responding too. 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Untrue and misleading The division has been dreadful. That's what you were responding to. That the dolphins have merely been mediocre doesn't change that 8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Lol try to keep up The guy couldn't tell the difference between a team and a division😂😂 iirc he was the same one who said we have 'no elite talent on defense' while maintaining Ed Oliver is just a little below Chris Jones and Aaron Donald I keep searching for “the AFCE is a gauntlet.” I don’t see it. Feel free to help me keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: Feel free to help me keep up. We are well beyond that lol You guys are so determined to go down w the ship you're twisting yourself around the anchor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: We are well beyond that lol You guys are so determined to go down w the ship you're twisting yourself around the anchor You are afraid to billieve. Sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 5 minutes ago, FireChans said: You are afraid to billieve. Sad. So the choice is to gaslight yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avisan Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 2 hours ago, Mikie2times said: So the choice is to gaslight yourself? Is it gaslighting ourselves to think that the team we are a fan of, that has been inarguably a top 5 team in the NFL for three straight seasons, will probably continue to be very good? Why should we believe otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostwriter Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 On 7/3/2024 at 5:35 PM, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Because he understands nothing about offense he's more in the 15-20 range 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Buffalo Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 6 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: Here are McDermott's playoff games: 2023 Win against Pittsburgh: 37-17 Loss to Chiefs: 24-27 2022 Win against Dolphins: 34-31 Loss to Bengals: 10-27 2021 Win vs. Pats: 47-17 Loss to Chiefs: 36-42 2020 Win vs. Colts: 27-24 Win vs. Ravens: 17-3 Loss vs. Chiefs: 24-38 2019 Loss vs. Texans: 19-22 2017 Loss vs. Jags: 3-10 For a defensive specialist, I don't see too many games where he shut down a top-end QB in the playoffs. Maybe Lamar (though many would argue that he's not elite). I'll take that as one well-coached defensive game in McD's playoff tenure. Holding Watson to 22 points sounds ok but Watson was 20/25 for 247 yards so not really great pass D. Someone please point me to where McDermott has consistently had good results limiting better than average QBs in the playoffs. I'm tired of hearing about how great we are in the regular season — I want to see meaning results — superior defensive coaching in the playoffs. Excellent post. One thing I'll add is this. There are two Lamar Jacksons. Lamar the passer, and Lamar the runner. Lamar the passer is nothing special. Lamar the runner is elite. To their credit, McDermott and Frazier came up with a very good defensive game plan for Lamar Jackson. Make him be a quarterback. Don't allow Lamar the runner to bail out Lamar the passer. But, when a QB is a gifted passer, and when he's facing the Bills in a postseason game, he's going to cut through the MCDermott/Frazier defense like a hot knife through butter. Zero exceptions to that rule, at least thus far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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