Close your eyes McDermott haters…he’s a top 10 HC

[GunnerBill]

56 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

While we win consistently, I dont think McD is that consistent. Nor do I think the team shows up ready to play consistently.

 

I totally disagree.

[amprov56]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

I totally disagree.

You are not going to win!

[GunnerBill]

Just now, amprov56 said:

You are not going to win!

 

I don't care about winning luckily.

[amprov56]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't care about winning luckily.

You make valid points, great posts!

[DrDawkinstein]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I totally disagree.

 

That's fine. I'm not beating any drum to get McD fired. Not even close to renting a billboard yet.

 

We're discussing whether he is a good vs great coach (not a bad problem to have), and his consistency.

 

IMO, this team has come into far, far too many games flat, listless, and seemingly unprepared. We have let far too many inferior teams hang around until we either barely squeak out a win or they end up beating us. I've seen him directly and single-handedly botch too many in-game situations.

 

I guess he's consistent that way 🤷‍♂️

 

And sure, his demeanor is consistent. Whatever that is worth.

 

All good. Onto another season with McD at the helm. I hope he makes great strides in the HC role now that he will actually be doing the HC's job. We'll see!

 

You're always well informed and researched. I'd love to know your favorite McD consistency streaks. Like where are those multi-game streaks where the team showed up ready out of the gate, had a great gameplan, executed it properly, and he got all (most of) his in-game calls correct.

 

 

[boyst]

while reid is an offensive genius he brought out subpar WR's and mediocre running backs with a struggling TE until midseason. his entire offense was struggling but he managed to have them score enough that on the other end of the ball his defense held the unit together. mcdermott could never do this. he needs too many blue chip players in positions.

[Rampant Buffalo]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

A good coordinator is nice, and I agree McDermott is in the "very good coordinator" not "brilliant coordinator" bucket, but the number 1 thing you need in a Head Coach is leadership. That individual has to be able to hold a locker room of 70 odd men with their own personalities, perspectives, off-field pressures and egos together from basically the third week of July to the second week of February (in a best case scenario). That is difficult and it doesn't matter how great you are at designing plays, calling plays, getting on a whiteboard.... if you can't do that you will fail. It is a leadership position. Leadership should always be the #1 consideration. Then you get down to what is their vision for a team, how good are they at the Xs and Os, what sort of in game decision maker are they etc. 

 

I have mixed feelings about your post.

 

Leadership matters a lot.

 

That said . . . if you were to ask me to name the greatest head coaches between 1980 - today, the first names which would come to mind would be Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick, and Andy Reid. Were those three head coaches the three greatest leaders of men between 1980 and today? I don't know that they were. But, all three were brilliant at X's and O's.

 

Think of some of our postseason losses. In the Bills/Giants Super Bowl, we had the more talented team. A good leader, in the form of Marv Levy. But Bill Belichick and the Giants did a better job with X's and O's, resulting in a Giants win. Andy Reid has also done a much better job with X's and O's than Sean McDermott, resulting in multiple postseason defeats for the Bills.

 

 

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, Rampant Buffalo said:

 

I have mixed feelings about your post.

 

Leadership matters a lot.

 

That said . . . if you were to ask me to name the greatest head coaches between 1980 - today, the first names which would come to mind would be Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick, and Andy Reid. Were those three head coaches the three greatest leaders of men between 1980 and today? I don't know that they were. But, all three were brilliant at X's and O's.

 

Think of some of our postseason losses. In the Bills/Giants Super Bowl, we had the more talented team. A good leader, in the form of Marv Levy. But Bill Belichick and the Giants did a better job with X's and O's, resulting in a Giants win. Andy Reid has also done a much better job with X's and O's than Sean McDermott, resulting in multiple postseason defeats for the Bills.

 

 

 

I would add Joe Gibbs to your list. Only coach to win three Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks. Joe Theisman, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien.

[Rampant Buffalo]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

 

I would add Joe Gibbs to your list. Only coach to win three Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks. Joe Theisman, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien.

 

Yeah I hear you. I don't know that Gibbs was quite at the level of the other three. But if not, he was definitely knocking on that door. Call it the top 3.5 head coaches since 1980.

[uticaclub]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think your can. His performance has been pretty even. You can ask questions about why they haven't got further in the postseason but they have been a pretty consistent football team over the past 5 years. 2nd only to KC in wins in that period. 

True, but the AFC East has been dreadful where the AFC North is a bloodbath.

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

True, but the AFC East has been dreadful where the AFC North is a bloodbath.

 

The AFCE isn't the AFCN, true, but dreadful overstates in. In the Bills four division winning seasons three times the AFCE has sent two teams to the postseason. I don't think dreadful is fair.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Because he understands nothing about offense he's more in the 15-20 range

[DJB]

[NastyNateSoldiers]

On 7/3/2024 at 12:42 PM, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Mcd is a good regular season coach the playoffs he's average at best ! 

As soon as Belicheck returns Mcd will get thrown out the top 10

[PBF81]

On 7/1/2024 at 4:34 PM, Einstein's Dog said:

I don't see how you can hold only Beane culpable for the WR mess.  This is an organizational philosophy.  Beane/McD/Brady are all liable (and hopefully not Pegula).

 

McD has replaced the offensive influence of Dabol with OC's who are just grateful to have the job.  Dorsey kept Dabol's style but was slowly drained of the WR personnel to pull it off.  And it seems Brady has adopted a style McD likes of a YAC, complementary football.

 

If you don't like the style or where this looks like it is headed, it would seem the whole Beane/McD/Brady team would need to go.  

 

 

"“I’m doing everything that I can as a head coach to make sure that things are the way that I want them and expect them to be across all three phases."

- McDermott 

 

 

[PBF81]

On 7/3/2024 at 5:35 PM, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Because he understands nothing about offense he's more in the 15-20 range

 

He holds our offense back.  Allen and this offense should be improving since Allen's watch, but we've gone from 31.3 PPG in '20, to 28.4 PPG in '21 & '22, to 26.5 PPG this past season.   That's the wrong direction as if that needs to be said.  

 

Unfortunately, while his defenses excel during the regular season, they're on the opposite end, among the worst, in the playoffs.  

 

Not sure where that places him, particularly in a division of siht apart from Miami whose offense has been good but whose defenses not so good.  

 

He's also managed to insulate himself from responsibility for each and every critical [poor] decision that's cost us playoff games along with a few regular season games.  

 

In pondering who this season's scapegoat is, it can't be Brady (the OC) again.  Thinking Babich possibly here.  

 

 

[Nephilim17]

Here are McDermott's playoff games:

2023
Win against Pittsburgh: 37-17

Loss to Chiefs: 24-27

2022

Win against Dolphins: 34-31
Loss to Bengals: 10-27

 

2021

Win vs. Pats: 47-17

Loss to Chiefs: 36-42

 

2020

Win vs. Colts: 27-24

Win vs. Ravens: 17-3

Loss vs. Chiefs: 24-38

 

2019

Loss vs. Texans: 19-22 

 

2017

Loss vs. Jags: 3-10

For a defensive specialist, I don't see too many games where he shut down a top-end QB in the playoffs. Maybe Lamar (though many would argue that he's not elite). I'll take that as one well-coached defensive game in McD's playoff tenure. Holding Watson to 22 points sounds ok but Watson was 20/25 for 247 yards so not really great pass D.

Someone please point me to where McDermott has consistently had good results limiting better than average QBs in the playoffs. I'm tired of hearing about how great we are in the regular season — I want to see meaning results — superior defensive coaching in the playoffs.

[Augie]

11 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

Here are McDermott's playoff games:

2023
Win against Pittsburgh: 37-17

Loss to Chiefs: 24-27

2022

Win against Dolphins: 34-31
Loss to Bengals: 10-27

 

2021

Win vs. Pats: 47-17

Loss to Chiefs: 36-42

 

2020

Win vs. Colts: 27-24

Win vs. Ravens: 17-3

Loss vs. Chiefs: 24-38

 

2019

Loss vs. Texans: 19-22 

 

2017

Loss vs. Jags: 3-10

For a defensive specialist, I don't see too many games where he shut down a top-end QB in the playoffs. Maybe Lamar (though many would argue that he's not elite). I'll take that as one well-coached defensive game in McD's playoff tenure. Holding Watson to 22 points sounds ok but Watson was 20/25 for 247 yards so not really great pass D.

Someone please point me to where McDermott has consistently had good results limiting better than average QBs in the playoffs. I'm tired of hearing about how great we are in the regular season — I want to see meaning results — superior defensive coaching in the playoffs.

 

The first couple years we were building a team, and after that three out of four were against guys names Mahomes and Reid. They pretty much do that to everybody these days. I hope this year it’s our turn. 

[Mikie2times]

On 7/3/2024 at 4:12 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

The AFCE isn't the AFCN, true, but dreadful overstates in. In the Bills four division winning seasons three times the AFCE has sent two teams to the postseason. I don't think dreadful is fair.

The Dolphins? The team that can't beat anybody over .500? 

Edited July 7 by Mikie2times

[GoBills808]

17 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

Here are McDermott's playoff games:

2023
Win against Pittsburgh: 37-17

Loss to Chiefs: 24-27

2022

Win against Dolphins: 34-31
Loss to Bengals: 10-27

 

2021

Win vs. Pats: 47-17

Loss to Chiefs: 36-42

 

2020

Win vs. Colts: 27-24

Win vs. Ravens: 17-3

Loss vs. Chiefs: 24-38

 

2019

Loss vs. Texans: 19-22 

 

2017

Loss vs. Jags: 3-10

For a defensive specialist, I don't see too many games where he shut down a top-end QB in the playoffs. Maybe Lamar (though many would argue that he's not elite). I'll take that as one well-coached defensive game in McD's playoff tenure. Holding Watson to 22 points sounds ok but Watson was 20/25 for 247 yards so not really great pass D.

Someone please point me to where McDermott has consistently had good results limiting better than average QBs in the playoffs. I'm tired of hearing about how great we are in the regular season — I want to see meaning results — superior defensive coaching in the playoffs.

Correct

 

Basically every top AFC team has their best offensive performances vs us in the playoffs. Its not a coincidence at this point