Close your eyes McDermott haters…he’s a top 10 HC

[GunnerBill]

31 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

People keep mentioning the Miami game to criticize McDermott. This is all in about 5-6 minutes to end the 2nd quarter up 17-3. All in order. McDermott’s defense held Miami to FGs until Allen’s 2nd INT in 5 minutes, Beasley’s fault. Last clip is the start of the 3rd, again an Allen blunder. Skyler Thompson was 18-45 for 200 yards, 1td, 2int, 4 sacks.

 

Josh Allen careless INT on 1st down with open players underneath. Mahomes doesn’t do this.

Matt Milano misses tackle on 4th and 8

Shakir drop

 

Cedric Wilson punt return after Shakir drop

 

Holland INT off Beasley drop. Now it’s a football game and anything can happen.

 

Start of the 3rd Allen doesn’t see the blitz on 1st down. Sack, fumble, TD. Miami now leading 24-20 just like that. 

 

 

 

Yep. McDermott coached a good game that day. It would have been a blowout but for pure execution errors. This is my point consistently. Fans overblame coaching and underblame players.

[Buffalo Boy]

53 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

People keep mentioning the Miami game to criticize McDermott. This is all in about 5-6 minutes to end the 2nd quarter up 17-3. All in order. McDermott’s defense held Miami to FGs until Allen’s 2nd INT in 5 minutes, Beasley’s fault. Last clip is the start of the 3rd, again an Allen blunder. Skyler Thompson was 18-45 for 200 yards, 1td, 2int, 4 sacks.

 

Josh Allen careless INT on 1st down with open players underneath. Mahomes doesn’t do this.

Matt Milano misses tackle on 4th and 8

Shakir drop

 

Cedric Wilson punt return after Shakir drop

 

Holland INT off Beasley drop. Now it’s a football game and anything can happen.

 

Start of the 3rd Allen doesn’t see the blitz on 1st down. Sack, fumble, TD. Miami now leading 24-20 just like that. 

 

 

Wow

A McD led team not looking ready or in the right headspace in the playoffs🤔

[Buffalo Boy]

35 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. McDermott coached a good game that day. It would have been a blowout but for pure execution errors. This is my point consistently. Fans overblame coaching and underblame players.

   Because players take on the identity of their leadership.

   This team has consistently played down to bad competition. This team has also looked mentally unprepared for big situations, as well. 
    Come on Bill. We have all watched NE teams absolutely look non plussed in the hugest moments ( Seattle SB) 

    Other than the Pick/TD in the Baltimore playoff  or the Patriots game, the players I can think of who consistently rise to the occasion in the hugest games are Allen and ????

    Davis did in one game. Poyer and Hyde maybe. 
    The New England blowout is the only game I’ve seen this team act “ Better” from start to finish. 
    That is on the coaching. McD is a nervous little fellow. His teams completely mirror that the majority of the time. 
    These same squads with Belichick or Walsh or even a Harbaugh ( who I don’t love) or any other ballsy coach who pumps his team up. These teams should have been killing/ blowing out a bunch of scrub teams they have inexplicably lost to year after year.

Edited June 29 by Buffalo Boy

[Nihilarian]

10 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

A brilliant move?

Fixing a mistake of his own making?

What is it with some of you? McD hired Dorsey because he was next in line as the QB coach and QB Josh Allen thoroughly endorsed him.

 

That move had to be as difficult as there is by firing a guy Allen likes midseason. It paid off big time so it was a brilliant move and saved the season. 

 

Nice how you pick on one comment and don't mention Diggs who was pretty much useless in that game. His average salary was 24 mill per season. How about we point the blame where it really should go? Defensive injuries, Diggs, Bass.

[machine gun kelly]

McD is better than some of the 9 above him.  It’s true he hasn’t won the big one, but how quickly some people forget about the drought.  It was awful never being bad enough to get a top QB, but never good enough to make the playoffs.it was abysmal living in the 7-9 to 8-8 world for so long.

 

Im not settling, but the complaining from some is not going to change Terry and before her illness Kim Pegula like what McD has accomplished.  He’ll probably get a couple more years before pulling his pin.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   Because players take on the identity of their leadership.

   This team has consistently played down to bad competition. This team has also looked mentally unprepared for big situations, as well. 
    Come on Bill. We have all watched NE teams absolutely look non plussed in the hugest moments ( Seattle SB) 

    Other than the Pick/TD in the Baltimore playoff  or the Patriots game, the players I can think of who consistently rise to the occasion in the hugest games are Allen and ????

    Davis did in one game. Poyer and Hyde maybe. 
    The New England blowout is the only game I’ve seen this team act “ Better” from start to finish. 
    That is on the coaching. McD is a nervous little fellow. His teams completely mirror that the majority of the time. 
    These same squads with Belichick or Walsh or even a Harbaugh ( who I don’t love) or any other ballsy coach who pumps his team up. These teams should have been killing/ blowing out a bunch of scrub teams they have inexplicably lost to year after year.

Constantly playing down to competition is one of the craziest statements. The Bills, like all teams have off games, but they’re consistently destroying inferior opponents under McDermott. Their point differential since 2020 is ridiculously good, there aren’t any teams close to them.

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Since 2020 the Bills have the 3rd best winning % vs teams that made the playoffs.

 

1- Chiefs 65%

2- GB 62%

3- Buffalo 59%

4- 49ers 53%

 

All other teams are below .500 

Winning % Vs all teams .500 or better since 2020

 

1) Chiefs 66%

2) Bills 62%

3) 49ers 54%

4) GB 53%

 

All other teams are below .500.

 

 

Points allowed vs Mahomes in the playoffs.

1) Texans 51

2) Steelers 42

3) Eagles 38

4) Bills 36 (3 games)

5) Tennessee 35

6) NE 31

7) Indy 31

8 ) 49ers 28 (2 games)

9) Jags 27

10) MIA 26

11) Cincinnati 24 (2 games)

12) Cleveland 22 

13) Baltimore 17

14) Tampa 9

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

One thing I did find while looking that data up was since 2020 the Bills have faced the fewest playoff teams in the regular season. 
 

But we still beat them at a high rate.

 

Edited June 29 by Buffalo_Stampede

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

One thing I did find while looking that data up was since 2020 the Bills have faced the fewest playoff teams in the regular season. 
 

But we still beat them at a high rate.

 

 

Interesting. Unusual for a team that has won its division every year. Especially as three of the four years second AFCE team has made the playoffs (NE in 2021, MIA in 2022 and 2023).

[Buffalo_Stampede]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Interesting. Unusual for a team that has won its division every year. Especially as three of the four years second AFCE team has made the playoffs (NE in 2021, MIA in 2022 and 2023).

Yeah. Only 22 games. 49ers for example has faced 30.

 

Greatest Coach of all time sucks without Tom Brady. Kind of makes me question all coaches to be honest.

 

Edited June 29 by Buffalo_Stampede

[FireChans]

9 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

It's just Kansas City. Keep telling yourself that. 

 

By the way look up Mannings stats in the playoffs. Just how atrocious they were. One of the worst all time. 

 

Rivers and Brees played mostly under Marty. Rodgers LaFleur. These examples are too funny. As I said, 3 coaches in NFL history above .600 and no Super Bowl apperances.  You hit all three in your response. 

Rivers and Brees both mostly played under Marty? What? Brees played for 4 years with Marty of his 20 year career. Rivers started exactly one year with Marty. Rodgers played 4 seasons with LaFleur and was drafted in 2005 lol.

 

It really is just Kansas City. 15-1 in the playoffs against QB’s not named Brady. I know this reality is tough to accept because Bills fans thought they were the new Pats. We aren’t. That dream is dead. We are gonna have to scratch and claw and get lucky to get past them in the postseason, just like the Ravens, Texans and Bengals will have to do too. Most of these teams will fail to do so, and most already have.

[Buffalo Boy]

3 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

What is it with some of you? McD hired Dorsey because he was next in line as the QB coach and QB Josh Allen thoroughly endorsed him.

 

That move had to be as difficult as there is by firing a guy Allen likes midseason. It paid off big time so it was a brilliant move and saved the season. 

 

Nice how you pick on one comment and don't mention Diggs who was pretty much useless in that game. His average salary was 24 mill per season. How about we point the blame where it really should go? Defensive injuries, Diggs, Bass.

   Next in line is not the way you pick OCs for your generational talented Unicorn of a QB offensive weapon.

   Your QBs endorsement is also not a major consideration if you are the head coach. 
   You think Warner liked Martz when he was grooming him as the backup? You think he had a different appreciation for him after the first SB win?

    Do you think that there weren’t other quality options available that wouldn’t have jumped at the chance to work with Josh?

   Picking Dorsey was a mistake. If you don’t see that, that’s a you thing.

   And while we are at it, we don’t even know if Brady was a good choice. There’s another thread full of posters sharing this very sentiment.

    The easy way and path of least resistance isn’t decision making or leadership. It’s settling.

Edited June 29 by Buffalo Boy

[Buffalo Boy]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Constantly playing down to competition is one of the craziest statements. The Bills, like all teams have off games, but they’re consistently destroying inferior opponents under McDermott. Their point differential since 2020 is ridiculously good, there aren’t any teams close to them.

 

 

The Broncos, Jets and Pats just called from the first half of last year, before the injury excuse kicked in, the .500 stretch…..

They’d like to have a word with you about stats being for…….

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Rivers and Brees both mostly played under Marty? What? Brees played for 4 years with Marty of his 20 year career. Rivers started exactly one year with Marty. Rodgers played 4 seasons with LaFleur and was drafted in 2005 lol.

 

It really is just Kansas City. 15-1 in the playoffs against QB’s not named Brady. I know this reality is tough to accept because Bills fans thought they were the new Pats. We aren’t. That dream is dead. We are gonna have to scratch and claw and get lucky to get past them in the postseason, just like the Ravens, Texans and Bengals will have to do too. Most of these teams will fail to do so, and most already have.

Rivers and Brees both played under Marty. Marty wasn't a lifetime coach for those players. Rogers played under LaFleur. He wasn't a lifetime coach for Rogers either. Was it not humorous that your examples overlap with some of the most notorious regular season champions of all time? What is the point you're trying to make here? That other QB's in NFL history have been very good and just won one Super Bowl because what? Other teams are also very good?

 

It's not just KC. Burrow is 14 of 14 on opening drives, 3 TD's, almost 200 yards passing. They have outscored us 58-21 in two games. The Colts dropping over 450 yards in the playoffs, 25+ first downs, and coming back from a 14 point deficit to nearly win. The next year under Carson Wentz dismantling us 41-15 in Buffalo. Who else have we played with with any semblance of an offense in the postseason? Baltimore in a wind storm and two teams without NFL level QB's? So if we have faced an offense that is actually competent we haven't mustered enough o be a speed bump. This, after holding Top 10 ranking in the regular season. 

 

Speaking of KC. It's not just that KC is good. They're even better against us. You know that, everybody on here knows that. 3 of the 6 top QBR's Mahomes has posted are against us.

 

Just look at the performance he has against us vs other teams he has faced multiple times in the playoffs.

 

 

[PBF81]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. McDermott coached a good game that day. It would have been a blowout but for pure execution errors. This is my point consistently. Fans overblame coaching and underblame players.

 

13-Seconds and the Cincy game defense were hardly execution.  The first cost us the game after the offense had won it.  That's pretty well known by now.  

 

Again, fans need to learn to separate the playoffs from the regular season.  Other than for this past season there are few complaints about our regular seasons.  The playoffs are a whole different thing.  That's where the better coaches earn their stripes.  

 

 

Edited June 29 by PBF81

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Rivers and Brees both mostly played under Marty? What? Brees played for 4 years with Marty of his 20 year career. Rivers started exactly one year with Marty. Rodgers played 4 seasons with LaFleur and was drafted in 2005 lol.

 

It really is just Kansas City. 15-1 in the playoffs against QB’s not named Brady. I know this reality is tough to accept because Bills fans thought they were the new Pats. We aren’t. That dream is dead. We are gonna have to scratch and claw and get lucky to get past them in the postseason, just like the Ravens, Texans and Bengals will have to do too. Most of these teams will fail to do so, and most already have.

This attitude is disgraceful. Playing for second place is a loser’s mentality - even if you tack on the hope of getting lucky once in a while. Eli Manning and the Giants didn’t accept that Brady and the Patriots were the best QB and team in the NFL and relegate themselves to being happy to just make the SB. Twice in the SB they played arguably the greatest QB-HC duo in the midst of their dynasty and beat them twice. That’s what can happen with a winner’s mentality. 

[FireChans]

16 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Rivers and Brees both played under Marty. Marty wasn't a lifetime coach for those players. Rogers played under LaFleur. He wasn't a lifetime coach for Rogers either. Was it not humorous that your examples overlap with some of the most notorious regular season champions of all time? What is the point you're trying to make here? That other QB's in NFL history have been very good and just won one Super Bowl because what? Other teams are also very good?

 

It's not just KC. Burrow is 14 of 14 on opening drives, 3 TD's, almost 200 yards passing. They have outscored us 58-21 in two games. The Colts dropping over 450 yards in the playoffs, 25+ first downs, and coming back from a 14 point deficit to nearly win. The next year under Carson Wentz dismantling us 41-15 in Buffalo. Who else have we played with with any semblance of an offense in the postseason? Baltimore in a wind storm and two teams without NFL level QB's? So if we have faced an offense that is actually competent we haven't mustered enough o be a speed bump. This, after holding Top 10 ranking in the regular season. 

 

Speaking of KC. It's not just that KC is good. They're even better against us. You know that, everybody on here knows that. 3 of the 6 top QBR's Mahomes has posted are against us.

 

Just look at the performance he has against us vs other teams he has faced multiple times in the playoffs.

 

 

15-1 against non-Brady QB’s. I don’t particularly care about his numbers vs Buffalo. He’s the best. He beats everyone. It’s just the truth.

 

I know everyone anointed the Bengals and Burrow as the Chief Killers but they won exactly one playoff game against them and then lost the next year. 
 

It’s no different than the Ravens getting a couple against the Pats over their 20 years of dominance. It’s impossible to be perfect v everybody but the Chiefs, like the Pats before them, are about as close as you can get. 
 

We have lost to the guy who beats everyone in the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 trips. All the divisional trip critique is Bills fans upset we aren’t the preeminent dynasty. We don’t have the best coach in football or the best QB in football. Neither did Haurbaugh with Lamar or Flacco before him. Neither did Cowher or Tomlin with Big Ben. Neither did Payton with Brees. Neither did Dungy or Fox or Kubiak with Peyton. They all eventually won one or multiple, but also had their own fair share of playoff defeats at the hands of the Evil Empire. Just like we do currently. 

8 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

This attitude is disgraceful. Playing for second place is a loser’s mentality - even if you tack on the hope of getting lucky once in a while. Eli Manning and the Giants didn’t accept that Brady and the Patriots were the best QB and team in the NFL and relegate themselves to being happy to just make the SB. Twice in the SB they played arguably the greatest QB-HC duo in the midst of their dynasty and beat them twice. That’s what can happen with a winner’s mentality. 

I didn’t say anything about being happy. It’s just reality, which folks fail to accept. Weird take.

[PBF81]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Since 2020 the Bills have the 3rd best winning % vs teams that made the playoffs.

 

1- Chiefs 65%

2- GB 62%

3- Buffalo 59%

4- 49ers 53%

 

All other teams are below .500 

Winning % Vs all teams .500 or better since 2020

 

1) Chiefs 66%

2) Bills 62%

3) 49ers 54%

4) GB 53%

 

All other teams are below .500.

 

 

Points allowed vs Mahomes in the playoffs.

1) Texans 51

2) Steelers 42

3) Eagles 38

4) Bills 36 (3 games)

5) Tennessee 35

6) NE 31

7) Indy 31

8 ) 49ers 28 (2 games)

9) Jags 27

10) MIA 26

11) Cincinnati 24 (2 games)

12) Cleveland 22 

13) Baltimore 17

14) Tampa 9

 

 

 

Which is interesting since we cannot seem to beat anything but 6 & 7 seeds in the playoffs, with one exception, a 5th seed on a team that simply can't score in the playoffs with Jackson as their QB.   Under Jackson, the Ravens have averaged a mere 16 PPG in the playoffs over 7 games, 13 PPG in 6 of those games.  

 

Also, that we can beat KC in the regular season (3-1) but not in the playoffs.  (0-3)  

 

 

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

I know this reality is tough to accept because Bills fans thought they were the new Pats. We aren’t.  That dream is dead.  We are gonna have to scratch and claw and get lucky to get past them in the postseason, just like the Ravens, Texans and Bengals will have to do too.  Most of these teams will fail to do so, and most already have.

 

That's ridiculous!  

 

To start, if we can go 3-0 vs. the Chiefs in the regular season, it's 100% defeatist to assume that we can't do the same in the playoffs.  

 

The entire difference there is Reid v. McD/(Daboll/Dorsey/Brady/whichever stiff is next after Brady gets the scapegoat treatment by McD).  

 

Honestly, what you're implying there, which is the truth accidentally, is that McD simply isn't a good playoffs coach. 

 

 

[Mikie2times]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

15-1 against non-Brady QB’s. I don’t particularly care about his numbers vs Buffalo. He’s the best. He beats everyone. It’s just the truth.

 

I know everyone anointed the Bengals and Burrow as the Chief Killers but they won exactly one playoff game against them and then lost the next year. 
 

It’s no different than the Ravens getting a couple against the Pats over their 20 years of dominance. It’s impossible to be perfect v everybody but the Chiefs, like the Pats before them, are about as close as you can get. 
 

We have lost to the guy who beats everyone in the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 trips. All the divisional trip critique is Bills fans upset we aren’t the preeminent dynasty. We don’t have the best coach in football or the best QB in football. Neither did Haurbaugh with Lamar or Flacco before him. Neither did Cowher or Tomlin with Big Ben. Neither did Payton with Brees. Neither did Dungy or Fox or Kubiak with Peyton. They all eventually won one or multiple, but also had their own fair share of playoff defeats at the hands of the Evil Empire. Just like we do currently. 

I didn’t say anything about being happy. It’s just reality, which folks fail to accept. Weird take.

All you do is side step the Bengals domination of us and how much better KC has performed against Buffalo than other teams they have played more than once. The information is right in front of you. If you want to ignore it that's your choice. 

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

All you do is side step the Bengals domination of us and how much better KC has performed against Buffalo than other teams they have played more than once. The information is right in front of you. If you want to ignore it that's your choice. 

He also had to ignore the fact that McDermott created the Chiefs