I'm really starting to love this WR room. We quietly got better

[3rdand12]

18 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think they ever loved Gabe like they love Shakir. Beane was waxing lyrical again on the Ross Tucker podcast this week. Of course there is a chance Shakir just has insane demands but my very strong belief is that they will extend him. They talk about him like he is their own son.

 

For those asking "well why wouldn't you?" My answer would be that it is really hard the play offense inside out now in the NFL. I know Brady managed it for years but even he at the end went to Tampa where they had two studs that can play and win outside. Cooper Kupp was a #1 mainly from the slot. St Brown is too. But they are few and far between and I think there are already reasons based on what we saw at the start of this year to suggest Shakir isn't that. What he IS is a really fine slot receiver who if you spread defenses out, make them defend the entire field and give him some room to operate can really be a weapon inside. The question is that something you pay or not? I have my doubts but strongly believe when the Bills add Shakir's character and attitude into thay mix their answer will be yes.

 

My guess is the Bills do a 3 year extension. That has tended to be their go to for guys like Milano and Taron who were clearly valuable players but in less valuable positions. Spotrac has him between $18.3m AAV and $20.4m AAV. I have him top end of that range in return for taking a shorter deal. Something like 3 years $62m, $40m guaranteed but because the Bills still have him under contract next year and will pay the signing bonus in that year it is basically a 4 year $63m deal. They can put a few mill onto the 2025 cap and keep a bit of flexibility down the road. 

 

Might depend on what they want to do with Cooper as well I suppose. 

For starters, it aint my money. General statement towards no one i particular

But to respond more productively... Shakir's work as a Bill is worth the reward he earned. Consistently improving. Perhaps its Brady.

 But the kid has shown up big time, inside outside and regardless of route. He blocks so well , as well
I don't care what they pay him. Beane will figure it out with Shakir et al

Keep him.

Earned it

 

[ganesh]

On 11/1/2024 at 2:13 AM, Einstein's Dog said:

They tried to replace Beasley cheaply.  The thought was to promote McKenzie (he had that great game against New England) and they got Crowder.  I would prefer not to see this type of philosophy used again.  Keep this good thing rolling.

 

I hadn't thought much of the Shakir's affect on Kincaid.  Just ride the hot hand.  The Kincaid decision is a long way away.  I'm inclined to think the FO will be extending him.  Having two good players Shakir/Kincaid would be a good thing.

 

While it will come down to the money, the advantage the Bills have is being able to give a market value guaranteed extension before his current contract expires, much like they did with Knox.  If both sides are reasonable and fair this can work out, and I think it will.

They would need to get out of the Samuel's contract in order for them. to pay for Shakir.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

I thought a cool statistic through 8 weeks is that the Bills (Allen) lead the NFL in big time throws. Obviously this is mostly a passer statistic, I think it reflects the changing landscape of the passing offense. Allen has always done well in this metric, it is impressive that he’s maintained this ability while limiting turnovers. I think it speaks to the shifting focus on efficiency we’ve seen. Other items to note: 

 

Through week 8 2023 vs. 2024 Passing stats: 

 

Passing Yards:

23’ - 2108

24’ - 1766

 

Passing Touchdowns: 

23’- 17

24’ - 14

 

Interceptions: 

23’ - 8

24’ - 1

All in all, I don’t think you can say the WR room is better and to credit with this…but I think you can claim they managed to find a way to make it work. 

Edited November 2 by EmotionallyUnstable

[Drew21PA]

3 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I thought a cool statistic through 8 weeks is that the Bills (Allen) lead the NFL in big time throws. Obviously this is mostly a passer statistic, I think it reflects the changing landscape of the passing offense. Allen has always done well in this metric, it is impressive that he’s maintained this ability while limiting turnovers. I think it speaks to the shifting focus on efficiency we’ve seen. Other items to note: 

 

Through week 8 2023 vs. 2024 Passing stats: 

 

Passing Yards:

23’ - 2108

24’ - 1766

 

Passing Touchdowns: 

23’- 17

24’ - 14

 

Interceptions: 

23’ - 8

24’ - 1

All in all, I don’t think you can say the WR room is better and to credit with this…but I think you can claim they managed to find a way to make it work. 

I think Gabe Davis was a bigger problem than we realized - just seemed half or more of those picks last year were because of Gabe 

[BADOLBILZ]

11 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I thought a cool statistic through 8 weeks is that the Bills (Allen) lead the NFL in big time throws. Obviously this is mostly a passer statistic, I think it reflects the changing landscape of the passing offense. Allen has always done well in this metric, it is impressive that he’s maintained this ability while limiting turnovers. I think it speaks to the shifting focus on efficiency we’ve seen. Other items to note: 

 

Through week 8 2023 vs. 2024 Passing stats: 

 

Passing Yards:

23’ - 2108

24’ - 1766

 

Passing Touchdowns: 

23’- 17

24’ - 14

 

Interceptions: 

23’ - 8

24’ - 1

All in all, I don’t think you can say the WR room is better and to credit with this…but I think you can claim they managed to find a way to make it work. 

 

 

1)  The better your WR talent the less BTT's you probably need to attempt/make.   That's likely why Allen didn't rank as highly in that stat in the 2020 season as he has since.   In 2020 he had perhaps the top WR corps in the NFL and had clearly his best passing season.   Not just statistically but mechanically and how the ball was coming out of his hand etc..

 

2) It's hard for me to read too much into the bulk stats because of this very odd schedule.   The eyeball test is that they've only played 2 good teams and their lack of boundary WR talent got exposed by them and they had 2 really awful offensive games.   But the Bills have since addressed the boundary with a veteran WR1 and Coleman looks to be rounding into form.   Obviously the Chiefs/Niners/Rams/Lions stretch will be when we get to see how much of a difference those improvements made.