I'm really starting to love this WR room. We quietly got better

[Einstein's Dog]

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Beane got really lucky Cooper was available for that salary because he knows he screwed up after watching the Texans game.  I thought it was malpractice up to that point of not having an outside WR who can create separation at this point in Allen's career where every year should be a Super Bowl contender.

Was it just "really lucky" out of Beane or was it his plan all along?

 

You're suggesting he got this idea after the Houston game whereas I believe he had the outline of the plan in his head prior to letting Diggs go.  Beane may not have known the exact WR but I tend to think he planned on getting one.  The drafting of only 1 WR was a signal to me that the Diggs position was not going to be a full rebuild situation.  The lame additions of Claypool and MVS were never serious candidates in most of our minds (with the exception of a few that the OP appealed to).

 

If it hadn't been Cooper it easily could have been someone else.  DHop/D Adams/D Johnson That's not luck, that's a choice.  

[Mr. WEO]

26 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

Another topic where there's too much discussion from the poles and not enough consensus... (the truth in the middle).

 

The following positions (made by all of you) have validity:

• The Bills returned only one receiver who had caught passes from Josh.
• The Bills had many new WRs that had never caught passes from Josh.
• Because of the above, there was legitimate and justifiable concern from media/fans about the WR corps before the season began.
• It's possible/likely that the team shared these concerns but wanted to see how things played out.
• It's true that an offense has more weapons (RBs, TEs) than simply the WR corps and that this was part of the team's math.
• It's possible/likely that early on, the team identified Amari Cooper as a target in case a transfusion was needed.
• It's true that Joe Hines-Brady would employ schemes and philosophies differentiating the offense from the one he inherited last year.
• It's true that the above process would take some time.
• It appears the Bills have changed their offensive philosophy to feature bigger, more physical (bad weather) wide receivers.
• It's true that since the beginning of his term, McDermott has wanted to balance the offense and improve our run game and O-line play.
• It's true that this offense was going to improve over the course of the season, with or without Amari Cooper.
• It's difficult (if not impossible) to quantify how much the offense has improved due to Amari Cooper.
• It's inarguable that they are a better offense because of the addition of Amari Cooper.

So all of you stupid ***** are right.

 

 

Bills were 5th in rushing attempts (7th in yards) last season.  This year they are 10th in attempt's and 7th in yards.

[Sierra Foothills]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

Bills were 5th in rushing attempts (7th in yards) last season.  This year they are 10th in attempt's and 7th in yards.

 

So how would you characterize the running game this year compared to last year?

 

Do you think they've regressed or stayed the same?

 

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Sierra Foothills said:

 

So how would you characterize the running game this year compared to last year?

 

Do you think they've regressed or stayed the same?

 

 

It's not significantly different. 

[Sierra Foothills]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Bills were 5th in rushing attempts (7th in yards) last season.  This year they are 10th in attempt's and 7th in yards.

 

6 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

So how would you characterize the running game this year compared to last year?

 

Do you think they've regressed or stayed the same?

 

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

It's not significantly different. 

 

With no data to back it up it looks to me that the Bills have been a bit more stubborn about trying to force the run on obvious running downs.

 

 

[DCofNC]

11 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Was it just "really lucky" out of Beane or was it his plan all along?

 

You're suggesting he got this idea after the Houston game whereas I believe he had the outline of the plan in his head prior to letting Diggs go.  Beane may not have known the exact WR but I tend to think he planned on getting one.  The drafting of only 1 WR was a signal to me that the Diggs position was not going to be a full rebuild situation.  The lame additions of Claypool and MVS were never serious candidates in most of our minds (with the exception of a few that the OP appealed to).

 

If it hadn't been Cooper it easily could have been someone else.  DHop/D Adams/D Johnson That's not luck, that's a choice.  

Yeah, I’m sure it was a plan to bring in a guy who’s not familiar with a system at mid point in the year and hope he catches on to replace  the 100 catches Diggs had put up for years, especially to give up a 3rd for a half year rental. 

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Hopefully we bring Cooper and Hollins back. Hamler too.

 

I would then look at drafting a Gabe Davis like wr Rd 3-4 range. 

Didn't we sign Hollins to a two year deal?

 

I am all for bringing Cooper back.

[Kelly to Allen]

7 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Didn't we sign Hollins to a two year deal?

 

I am all for bringing Cooper back.

No just one year.

 

I think they resign Cooper 2 yrs

Hollins 1 yr resign 

Draft a Gabe Davis type wr rd 3/4

 

Next year 

 

Cooper 

Shakir 

Coleman 

Samuel 

Hollins 

Rookie*

Possibly Hamler if they keep 7 on the 53

Edited December 20 by Kelly to Allen

[Sierra Foothills]

Just now, Kelly to Allen said:

I think they resign Cooper 2 yrs

Hollins 1 yr resign 

Draft a Gabe Davis type wr rd 3/4

 

I'm curious what you mean by "a Gabe Davis type?"

 

[Kelly to Allen]

Just now, Sierra Foothills said:

 

I'm curious what you mean by "a Gabe Davis type?"

 

Just hopefully draft a big downfield wr similar to Gabe on Day 3. That's a great pick for Rd 4

[Einstein's Dog]

Just now, DCofNC said:

Yeah, I’m sure it was a plan to bring in a guy who’s not familiar with a system at mid point in the year and hope he catches on to replace  the 100 catches Diggs had put up for years, especially to give up a 3rd for a half year rental. 

I don't know if you follow the Bills but they had a unique situation with one of their WRs - Diggs.  He was a locker room cancer and a decision needed to be made on how to deal with his future.  The FO decided to trade him.  Trading him put the team into difficult cap constraints.

 

So no, this was not business as usual.   Any plan at that point was going to have drawbacks.  What was yours?

[Sierra Foothills]

1 minute ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Just hopefully draft a big downfield wr similar to Gabe on Day 3. That's a great pick for Rd 4

 

Yeah the more interesting discussion now is what the WR corps is still in need of.

 

Big and fast and field-stretching would be on my wish list too... maybe someone like Marques Valdez-Scantling.

 

🙂

 

[FireChans]

50 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

No just one year.

 

I think they resign Cooper 2 yrs

Hollins 1 yr resign 

Draft a Gabe Davis type wr rd 3/4

 

Next year 

 

Cooper 

Shakir 

Coleman 

Samuel 

Hollins 

Rookie*

Possibly Hamler if they keep 7 on the 53

Hamler? Again?

 

He wasn’t good enough to make the 5 man group this year. He didn’t make the roster over a guy who was cut in October lol

Edited December 20 by FireChans

[Kelly to Allen]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Hamler? Again?

 

He wasn’t good enough to make the 5 man group this year. He didn’t make the roster over a guy who was cut in October lol

I think he can be decent depth as a speed guy. Jmo but I could be wrong. He'll probably be on the ps again I'm guessing. 

 

Maybe we draft two wrs

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Was it just "really lucky" out of Beane or was it his plan all along?

 

You're suggesting he got this idea after the Houston game whereas I believe he had the outline of the plan in his head prior to letting Diggs go.  Beane may not have known the exact WR but I tend to think he planned on getting one.  The drafting of only 1 WR was a signal to me that the Diggs position was not going to be a full rebuild situation.  The lame additions of Claypool and MVS were never serious candidates in most of our minds (with the exception of a few that the OP appealed to).

 

If it hadn't been Cooper it easily could have been someone else.  DHop/D Adams/D Johnson That's not luck, that's a choice.  

Really lucky.  

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

I think he can be decent depth as a speed guy. Jmo but I could be wrong. He'll probably be on the ps again I'm guessing. 

 

Maybe we draft two wrs

There are 100+ posts about one of Hamler/Claypool/MVS/Shavers coming out in the wash in this very topic.

 

Zero of them are on the 53. We should look elsewhere for lotto tickets imo. Been there, done that.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Saying nobody got it right when the GM made a desperate trade for a WR in October is very funny to me.

 

You clinging to words like "desperate" to try and spin the long list of things you were wrong about is funny to me.  Oh yes, our savior WR that averages 38 yards a game and has 3 games with 0 yards, 5 yards, and 10 yards.  

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You clinging to words like "desperate" to try and spin the long list of things you were wrong about is funny to me.  Oh yes, our savior WR that averages 38 yards a game and has 3 games with 0 yards, 5 yards, and 10 yards.  

So you're on the record, bad trade?

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

 

yes these guys appear to be:

 

 

 

 

lets add this one in there too @NewEra

 

 

Idk-  I don’t think they’re saying that we aren’t better with him.  

[Kelly to Allen]

1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Was it just "really lucky" out of Beane or was it his plan all along?

 

You're suggesting he got this idea after the Houston game whereas I believe he had the outline of the plan in his head prior to letting Diggs go.  Beane may not have known the exact WR but I tend to think he planned on getting one.  The drafting of only 1 WR was a signal to me that the Diggs position was not going to be a full rebuild situation.  The lame additions of Claypool and MVS were never serious candidates in most of our minds (with the exception of a few that the OP appealed to).

 

If it hadn't been Cooper it easily could have been someone else.  DHop/D Adams/D Johnson That's not luck, that's a choice.  

 

 

This is kinda a false perception.

 

Shakir was out vs the Texans 

Samuel was in and out of the game banged up 

Coleman made a big play but was still in the rookie phase imo

 

It was Hollins, MVS and Coleman at wr. 

 

Add in a bad day by Allen, a big miss to Hollins and Kincaid idk , I kinda just feel that game was the one whatever game of the year 

 

Add in no Oliver, Johnson, Von, Milano, Bernard, Taron, rapp literally all out. 

 

I don't really look at the Texans game as indicative of anything with our wrs or game in general. 

 

Plus Allen was hurt too. 

 

I'll say it again, the fact we almost won that game on the road with everyone out and Allen having a bad day actually says how great the bills are. Not the opposite 

 

Even all time great teams will have a couple games like that in a season. 

Edited December 20 by Kelly to Allen