I'm really starting to love this WR room. We quietly got better

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s odd that some people are trying to dance in the end zone in this thread. So many are confusing the elite offense with good WRs. I don’t have the energy to pull the WR stats and compare them to other teams. Other teams have worse QBs and worse OLs and better WRs. We shouldn’t confuse an elite offense with elite WRs.

 

They’ve largely been who we thought they’d be. The question was, “will these weak WRs be their downfall?” That hasn’t been the case because of Brady/Josh/OL. It hasn’t been because they were miraculously better than we expected. Allen is going to throw for 4,000 yards without a 1,000 yard receiver.

This probably works both ways…you shouldn’t assume the receivers are bad/mediocre just because of stats either … there are just so many guys to throw the ball to on this team that are a threat to do something with it which is likely exactly what frustrated Diggs in the first place lol 

 

not trying to say anyone is right or wrong but individual stats aren’t super meaningful for this group…you’ve probably gotta dig into the film for each of these guys..  there’s only so many passing yards to go around and if this group really wasn’t cutting it teams would probably not be giving us these good rb/te matchups in the passing game we’ve been getting 

[Steve Billieve]

On 12/17/2024 at 6:19 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

Perfectly said!!

 

Ironically, if there is a play on 3rd down and we need to force it to a WR, it’s the guy that they traded for. He didn’t have a target this week but did have 14 the week before. He’s probably the guy that they are most comfortable “winning” his matchup. 

These guys have all played fine. Hollins has blocked well and made some tough/clutch catches. Shakir has developed into a rich man’s Beasley with his ability to run after the catch. Coleman has flashed. His strengths coming out have been his strengths and his weaknesses coming out have been his weaknesses. The Cooper addition was big and it will play dividends. He’s a consummate pro. He can get open and make plays down the field. He can explode in any given game. Samuel was always going to be a gadget guy. That’s fine if they knew how to use him. Throw the ball down the field to him. Use misdirection. Get him in space. Don’t just throw WR screens to him. 
 

As a whole @Buffalo_Stampede hit the nail on the head. It is working. I’ve enjoyed this last season of Joe Brady as OC. The offense has been excellent.

 

 

 

I'd say it's Shakir before Cooper, but I think the real answer is Josh just has to run it.

[Special K]

So......after 161 pages...............have we quietly gotten better at WR or not?????

 

My answer is that Josh Allen has LOUDLY gotten better, which trickles down to everyone else on the Offense.

 

I really like the WR's the Bills have on their roster....they all bring a unique skillset to the position.

 

The only thing that is missing is a guy with top-shelf speed.....I hope they add one through the draft next year, and hope they can find a way to keep Cooper as well.

[gonzo1105]

Just now, Special K said:

So......after 161 pages...............have we quietly gotten better at WR or not?????

 

My answer is that Josh Allen has LOUDLY gotten better, which trickles down to everyone else on the Offense.

 

I really like the WR's the Bills have on their roster....they all bring a unique skillset to the position.

 

The only thing that is missing is a guy with top-shelf speed.....I hope they add one through the draft next year, and hope they can find a way to keep Cooper as well.

 

Depends on the week lol

[Orlando Buffalo]

8 hours ago, NoSaint said:

yea, I’ll say if in the playoffs with refs letting things get physical and I was a DC against the bills pre-Amari…

 

my plan would still be to bottle up the short and middle and dare Mack hollins to win the game by catching a bunch of chunk plays outside. 
 

Amari changes that drastically 

come on…. 2 HOF and moulds? Its posts like this that derail the thread

If Shakir does what he is doing this year for a decade, like Reed did, he will be in the HOF. Cooper could be HOF in a few years. Coleman is hyperbole but one is a likely to be HOF and one is playing like an pro bowler

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Just to clarify that you aren't just arguing for the sake of not admitting you were wrong from the outset:

 

What you are saying is that this WR corps would have been better than last year's without the Cooper trade but that the Cooper trade has denied you a truth?   Even though they've been greatly improved by Cooper's presence for 2 months and still aren't as statistically productive of a unit as last year?

 

There just isn't a lot of support for the contention that it was going to work before Beane went and made it better.  

 

Refresher:

 

What was I wrong about?  Posting a pic of our OL getting confused and beaten up doesn’t prove anything. The ravens schemed up some magic and destroyed out OL.  Yes, our WRs sucked that game (CLEARLY not the worst in the last 40 years).  Next game- we were without Shakir and Allen went on to press and have his worst game in awhile.  He missed open shots and he tried to do too much playing opposite Diggs. 

 

And maybe you forgot what I had actually in this thread.  I said that this years WRs unit is worse than last years from rip. I never said that this years WR unit is better than last years during the offseason.  What I had said was that our offense will be be utilizing our TEs (I was wrong there).  I said that we’d be using our RBs more in the passing game, including downfield.  That they would help teams play us honest because they can beat the D deep. Not sure if they have kept D’s honest or not, but they’ve been the most effective group of downfield pass catching RBs i can remember.  

 

I wasn’t happy about our WR unit…..I just didn’t let my frustration get the best of me and become Karen.  Like some.  I realized all I could do was sit back and let it play out.  
 

 

[Doc Brown]

On 12/17/2024 at 9:34 AM, Doc said:

So Cooper didn't have a catch against the Lions.  Did it help open things up for others?  Or was his addition meaningless?

Lions play so much man coverage and were so depleted at LB that it made sense to throw to our RB's and TE's.  It's why he saw zero targets this week but 14 against the Rams.  Against a decent defense a weapon like Cooper is absolutely essential.  If you want to double or bracket him fine.  We'll throw to somebody else where we have an advantageous matchup.  If you don't then we'll just feed the ball to Cooper.

[Kirby Jackson]

30 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

If Shakir does what he is doing this year for a decade, like Reed did, he will be in the HOF. Cooper could be HOF in a few years. Coleman is hyperbole but one is a likely to be HOF and one is playing like an pro bowler

Lol, this level of hyperbole is why I have remained so active in this thread. I love Shakir. If you take his per game stats from this year, and extrapolate them out, OVER 10 years without missing a single game, he will have less career receding yards than Donald Driver and Santana Moss. He will tie Curtis Conway with the 130th most receiving TDs in history. He isn’t destined for the HOF. 😂😂 He is a rich man’s Beasley. 
 

I’m a little confused as to whether Coleman is going to the HOF or just the Pro Bowl? He currently has the 50th most receiving yards per game in the NFL. Future HOFer, Khalil Shakir is 36th in receiving yards per game. Start fitting them for gold jackets now!! 😂😂

Edited December 19 by Kirby Jackson

[HOUSE]

I remember reading a simular thread in June. The guy was getting pounded. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

25 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Lol, this level of hyperbole is why I have remained so active in this thread. I love Shakir. If you take his per game stats from this year, and extrapolate them out, OVER 10 years without missing a single game, he will have less career receding yards than Donald Driver and Santana Moss. He will tie Curtis Conway with the 130th most receiving TDs in history. He isn’t destined for the HOF. 😂😂 He is a rich man’s Beasley. 
 

I’m a little confused as to whether Coleman is going to the HOF or just the Pro Bowl? He currently has the 50th most receiving yards per game in the NFL. Future HOFer, Khalil Shakir is 36th in receiving yards per game. Start fitting them for gold jackets now!! 😂😂

So who is more like Reed since Reed left? You don't think 900 yards a year for 13 more years gets him in? I stated Coleman was hyperbole, but your comments are stupid and lack all context, Shakir just is coming into his own, and if he plays this way for a long time will be a HOF. 

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

So who is more like Reed since Reed left? You don't think 900 yards a year for 13 more years gets him in? I stated Coleman was hyperbole, but your comments are stupid and lack all context, Shakir just is coming into his own, and if he plays this way for a long time will be a HOF. 

Lol, there is no context lacking. Those are your words. 13 years of 900 yards may land him on the WOF. He won’t even get to the HOF ballot. He’s a top 5 slot receiver right now imo. That’s really good. There are 30+ current NFL WRs more likely to go to the HOF. Here’s a good tool for you to monitor over the next 13 years: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_WR.htm. Use that for perspective as to HOF trajectory. 

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

So who is more like Reed since Reed left? You don't think 900 yards a year for 13 more years gets him in? I stated Coleman was hyperbole, but your comments are stupid and lack all context, Shakir just is coming into his own, and if he plays this way for a long time will be a HOF. 

No bigger Shakir fan than me.  He’s probably the best yac guy in the league at WR.  That said- HoF, I don’t think so.  HoVG more likely.  

[North Buffalo]

1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

So who is more like Reed since Reed left? You don't think 900 yards a year for 13 more years gets him in? I stated Coleman was hyperbole, but your comments are stupid and lack all context, Shakir just is coming into his own, and if he plays this way for a long time will be a HOF. 

I dont your use of hyperbole is what you think it means... hyperbole is an adverb not an adjective... now if you referred to the argument that Coleman does or does not make the Hall is hyperbole that would be correct but Coleman himself is not hyperbole unless the term coleman is a verb... just a note from the thought police...🤡

Edited December 19 by North Buffalo

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Lol, this level of hyperbole is why I have remained so active in this thread. I love Shakir. If you take his per game stats from this year, and extrapolate them out, OVER 10 years without missing a single game, he will have less career receding yards than Donald Driver and Santana Moss. He will tie Curtis Conway with the 130th most receiving TDs in history. He isn’t destined for the HOF. 😂😂 He is a rich man’s Beasley. 
 

I’m a little confused as to whether Coleman is going to the HOF or just the Pro Bowl? He currently has the 50th most receiving yards per game in the NFL. Future HOFer, Khalil Shakir is 36th in receiving yards per game. Start fitting them for gold jackets now!! 😂😂

How long is Justin Jefferson gonna have to wait to get in while Cooper, Coleman and Shakir all go?

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

What was I wrong about?  Posting a pic of our OL getting confused and beaten up doesn’t prove anything. The ravens schemed up some magic and destroyed out OL.  Yes, our WRs sucked that game (CLEARLY not the worst in the last 40 years).  Next game- we were without Shakir and Allen went on to press and have his worst game in awhile.  He missed open shots and he tried to do too much playing opposite Diggs. 

 

And maybe you forgot what I had actually in this thread.  I said that this years WRs unit is worse than last years from rip. I never said that this years WR unit is better than last years during the offseason.  What I had said was that our offense will be be utilizing our TEs (I was wrong there).  I said that we’d be using our RBs more in the passing game, including downfield.  That they would help teams play us honest because they can beat the D deep. Not sure if they have kept D’s honest or not, but they’ve been the most effective group of downfield pass catching RBs i can remember.  

 

I wasn’t happy about our WR unit…..I just didn’t let my frustration get the best of me and become Karen.  Like some.  I realized all I could do was sit back and let it play out.  
 

 

 

Did you just downplay the Houston game as Allen's "worst game in awhile". 

 

He was the first NFL QB to throw 30 passes in a game and complete 30% or less since 1992! (Stan Gelbaugh)

 

It was a historically atrocious passing performance for the Bills. 

 

The blueprint was laid out for the entire league to see.   Challenge the Bills to throw deep and take away the middle of the field.

 

We knew this at the time of the Cooper trade.   Even the "everybody eats" crowd had to admit it.

 

But now they are trying to reverse engineer the solution.   The threat of RB's getting open deep isn't keeping defense's honest, dude.😂

 

 

 

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Did you just downplay the Houston game as Allen's "worst game in awhile". 

 

He was the first NFL QB to throw 30 passes in a game and complete 30% or less since 1992! (Stan Gelbaugh)

 

It was a historically atrocious passing performance for the Bills. 

 

The blueprint was laid out for the entire league to see.   Challenge the Bills to throw deep and take away the middle of the field.

 

We knew this at the time of the Cooper trade.   Even the "everybody eats" crowd had to admit it.

 

But now they are trying to reverse engineer the solution.   The threat of RB's getting open deep isn't keeping defense's honest, dude.😂

 

 

 

What I can’t line up with this though is the fact Cooper has missed time since we traded for him. 
 

It would be one thing if he was active every game and putting up numbers or occupying the defense to allow others to shine. 
 

But this Offense, with Cooper, Coleman, Shakir all in and out of the lineup has become a monster. 
 

Now against a KC of Baltimore in the Playoffs, yea.. we need these guys. 
 

But if there was a blueprint laid out pre-Cooper, nobody else has come close to replicating it. 
 

I think it was a perfect storm of Josh having zero chemistry with his receivers early on, no Cooper yet, Shakir hurt in B’more and out against Houston, Brady still feeling out the offense and the OL getting tripped up badly by some defensive pressure disguises that they’ve since diagnosed and addressed.  
 

Edited December 19 by SCBills

[BADOLBILZ]

13 minutes ago, SCBills said:

What I can’t line up with this though is the fact Cooper has missed time since we traded for him. 
 

It would be one thing if he was active every game and putting up numbers or occupying the defense to allow others to shine. 
 

But this Offense, with Cooper, Coleman, Shakir all in and out of the lineup has become a monster. 
 

Now against a KC of Baltimore in the Playoffs, yea.. we need these guys. 
 

But if there was a blueprint laid out pre-Cooper, nobody else has come close to replicating it. 
 

I think it was a perfect storm of Josh having zero chemistry with his receivers early on, no Cooper yet, Shakir hurt in B’more and out against Houston, Brady still feeling out the offense and the OL getting tripped up badly by some defensive pressure disguises that they’ve since diagnosed and addressed.  
 

 

 

Well Cooper missed the Colts game and they only scored 23 points on offense.  That definitely lines up.  

 

Were there other contributing factors to the offense being truly atrocious in Baltimore and Houston?   Sure.  

 

But what we are seeing now wasn't happening without the trade for WR1.   People are just questioning it because some weeks they aren't throwing the ball at Cooper. 

 

And just in the context of this thread title,  now 14 games into this season the WR corps as a whole hasn't matched last year's per game production despite the uptick since Cooper arrived.  

 

It's a non-argument, IMO......... but I am glad I can say that because it means what they have NOW is working. 

[ColoradoBills]

14 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

160 pages.  Is this the longest thread ever?

 

Not the longest but one of the most unimportant for its length.

 

Bills WRs currently has 2008 yards with 14 TDs.

Chiefs WRs currently have 1698 yards with 13 TDs.  Worthy leads that team with 494 yards.

Ja'Marr Chase has 1413 yards and won't see the playoffs. 

 

The combined records of these number 1 and 2 seeded AFC teams are 24-4.

The whole premise about needing "elite" WRs is debunked.

Teams win football games, not stats.

FWIW.

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Not the longest but one of the most unimportant for its length.

 

Bills WRs currently has 2008 yards with 14 TDs.

Chiefs WRs currently have 1698 yards with 13 TDs.  Worthy leads that team with 494 yards.

Ja'Marr Chase has 1413 yards and won't see the playoffs. 

 

The combined records of these number 1 and 2 seeded AFC teams are 24-4.

The whole premise about needing "elite" WRs is debunked.

Teams win football games, not stats.

FWIW.

And none of that means our WR’s got quietly better lol. Unless we are arguing the Bills WR’s are better than Jamar Chase 

[ColoradoBills]

Just now, FireChans said:

And none of that means our WR’s got quietly better lol. Unless we are arguing the Bills WR’s are better than Jamar Chase 

 

And therefore, the counter posts of that opinion don't mean anything either when it comes to winning football games.

But you guys keep the "debate" going, LOL.