Bill from NYC Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 I think contractually is an important factor now. The Bills WILL NOT offer him a long term deal, and he is only scheduled to make 1.25 this year if i am correct (that figure has been posted all over the place here so you can double check me). At this point if he gets traded to either of those two teams he is likely to get a long term deal that will give him a significant signing bonus and probably more than 1.25 a year. The way i see it is for him, he takes 1.25 this year if he is a Bill... or maybe 8.25 if he is traded (with signing bonus 6mil and salary 2mil a year for four years or something... i don't think he will get a Lamont Jordan type deal if he goes to either of these two teams). 360833[/snapback] 6 million dollar signing bonus, huh? Let's think about this for a minute, shall we? 1) No GM was willing to part with a first day pick in a weak draft for TH. 2) His name is still floundering about, with no takers. 3) He has a history of spending all of his money, making a large signing bonus a big risk. 4) He sucked last season. 5) The winning pct. of game he has started is shockingly low. 6) Off field issues. 7) He has the IQ of a rock. 8) Not so distant injuries There is NO chance of any team being stupid enough to give this moron 6 mil. to sign. In a year or two, he will more than likely not be in the NFL at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 No,no,no! I'm not saying that Jax is better than Buffalo!! There better than Tenn. If these are the two choices, I'd go with Jax. Jeff 361207[/snapback] Ahh , sorry I misunderstood then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kultarr Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Did anybody answer this? Travis is from Florida and played college ball at Tennessee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 6 million dollar signing bonus, huh? Let's think about this for a minute, shall we? 1) No GM was willing to part with a first day pick in a weak draft for TH. 2) His name is still floundering about, with no takers. 3) He has a history of spending all of his money, making a large signing bonus a big risk. 4) He sucked last season. 5) The winning pct. of game he has started is shockingly low. 6) Off field issues. 7) He has the IQ of a rock. 8) Not so distant injuries There is NO chance of any team being stupid enough to give this moron 6 mil. to sign. In a year or two, he will more than likely not be in the NFL at all. And WHAT has Jordan proven have been worthy of a deal that will pay him $11M in guaranteed money, and make him almost $18M over the first 3 years of the contract? That's right, NOTHING, compared to Travis. But bully for the Raiders, they didn't have to give up a precious 3rd round pick for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 6 million dollar signing bonus, huh? Let's think about this for a minute, shall we? 1) No GM was willing to part with a first day pick in a weak draft for TH. 2) His name is still floundering about, with no takers. 3) He has a history of spending all of his money, making a large signing bonus a big risk. 4) He sucked last season. 5) The winning pct. of game he has started is shockingly low. 6) Off field issues. 7) He has the IQ of a rock. 8) Not so distant injuries There is NO chance of any team being stupid enough to give this moron 6 mil. to sign. In a year or two, he will more than likely not be in the NFL at all. 361688[/snapback] The thing you seem to take as a given which is not totally true is that the value of a player to a team goes far beyond an assessment of his absolute value as a player and actually is strongly influenced by: 1. All NFL teams are an entertainment product and even if one thinks a player sucks as a player if he is an item where which you can credibly market to raise the excitement level of the fans. one's assessment of his on field absolute value is secondary to how he can be marketed, Like him or not as a player on your part, TH can clearly be marketed by a team which presents him as a former Pro Bowler who has gained over 1300 yards twice in his short NFL career. Particularly after what Dillon delivered for the Pats last year, TH can be easily marketed by a team as a second coming which will help them out even if he does fall flat when he gets to a team. 2. You also do not seem to take into account that TH's value in a trade or as a player has as much to do with whether the team in question has a better option available. Even if one accepts your assessment of Henry, he merely has to be a better option than an injured Taylor in Jax, or that fellow who is constantly injured in TN. Your idea that TH has no trade value does not seem to factor this reality in. The combination of him being a better option than an injured player and the fact a former Pro Bowler can be marketed is why he has some trade value rather than the odd suggestion he be cut you have made in the past. (are you sure you aren't some relative of TH's because he is the primary real advocate that the Bills should cut him now!). 3. (response to uour point #1) He did not go in this weak draft but there seem to be four possible takers which made up the market for an RB at the time, 3 of these 4 teams took an RB in the first 10 picks and pundits seemed to feel good about the quality of these players and AZ took one with their second. The fact that it was a weak draft (but one relatively top heavy with RBs judged to be good and then very weak thereafter) put a premium on TD not being willing to part with THs unless he got a 2nd for him in a weak draft. His now "lowering" his offer to accept a 3rd actually does not strike me as lowering his asking amount at all since a 3rd in future drafts is probably as good as a 2nd in this weak draft. It didn't play out for TD to get more than he was giving as he did with the Price trade but he now seems to have another shot at achieving this based on the potential injury issues for Jax and TN abd whatever happens when camp begins. 4. (your #2) There seem to be a number of teams (AZ abd TN for an example have said they would love to take him) but actually it has been TD who has been the one to scotch a potential deal not no takers as you state. 5. (your #3) how he mismanges his money makes no difference to a team unless he decides to rob a bank to make up for it and gets caught. As long as a team feels that a fomer Pro Bowl RB is worth whatever cap hit they have to pay him there is no risk in doing this. In fact, since Henry's legal issues seem to involve underage women rather than bank robbery the main real world impact of his mismanagement is that the Bills were able to buy another year of servitude from him for far below the market rate. So the point of his fiscal stupidity seems to be as much an argument for signing him as letting him go. 6. The fact he sucked last year in terms of production is a factor for a team if they judge his production to have been due to lack of skills or due to mental stuff when the Bills were clearly looking at WM as their longer-term RB. One cannot place a lot of value of his sucking last year without also placing value of his production the previous two years. I think he sucked last year because he has already given up and he was a productive runner even through painful injury the years before because he felt wanted. Definitely take into account last year's production but if you do then take into account the previous two year's production as well. You seem to simply take last year as a full description without any consideration of other factors which a new team can reverse and seem to try to ignore the production which got him into the Pro Bowl. 7. I assume the winning % numbers in games he started is as bad as you say. However, even in the four games he started last year and they lost your assessment of Henry being the blame for those losses differs from other outside observers (and me). For example. Bills' Daily is not the be all of football wisdom, but their website and player grades are easily accessible through TBD. Like them I would only point to 1 of these 4 losses being substantially attibutable to TH's performance and like them I actually think he played well in a couple of these games and others were far more blameworthy of the losses. TH is a Bill and like the rest of his teammates like Bledsoe, Moulds or WM the W/L has been inadequate the last 2-4 years and he gets his share of the blame. However. I do not think a judgment laying the team's W/L on him as a primary cause is a rational judgment. If you had to blame Bledsoe or Henry primarily I think almost all would blame Bledsoe and even this judgment strikes me as faulty since one wins or losses as a team. 8. The players are not heroes to me, they are simply employees. Off field issues which do not effect the team are inconsequential to me. Kelly screwed the hell out of a number of Buffalo small businesses and vendors when he walked away from the restaurant he failed to manage well enough. I couldn't care much less because he produced on the field. The same is true for TH for me. 9. As I said, him an IQ of a rock is great for a trade partner if they can fool him into signing for less than his value. His intellect does seem to have some impact on the field as I think part of the Bledsoe fumble which nipped a comeback against the Pats in the bud was TH running the wrong way. However, football is not brain surgery and from him showing the intellectual capacity to be used effectively as a receiver when he caught 40+ passes in 2003 and his getting over some early blitz pick-up problems which led to a sack even of Flutie in his rookie year to his improving in blits pick-up where this was essentially a non-issue for him his 2nd and third season until folks began looking for something to complain about last year (though these complaints do not seem to be accompanied by ANY specific plays cited where he missed a pick-up) even a rock seems capable of playing thus kids game. 10. The injury issue is the one thing you site which strikes me as a real issue. As in the case of WM though I would have much less faith in the conventional wisdome and more faith in my docs if they were good. I think your rants are pretty much unsupported by the facts or examples and I am glad that TD has ignored your pro-Travis of cutting him and is playing the market for an opportunity to get rid of him for value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Travis won't be traded because of anything he says or does. Other teams don't think he's worthy of a 3rd round pick. Now that's just plain stupid! It's not like we're asking for a 1st rounder. These teams need to pull their heads out of their collective asses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePebble19 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Travis won't be traded because of anything he says or does. Other teams don't think he's worthy of a 3rd round pick. Now that's just plain stupid! It's not like we're asking for a 1st rounder. These teams need to pull their heads out of their collective asses. 361831[/snapback] ...Just wait...TD knows exactly what he is doing...every year there is at least one big name back that goes down in training camp or preseason, and then there will be teams in the market for a starting back...I think they will get the draft pick they are looking for if they wait until the right time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 One of my co-workers claims to know Travis a little bit.The word is, the guy is broke. It's all about a new contract, and needing a signing bonus now. 360874[/snapback] I used to see him at the casino... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I used to see him at the casino... 362940[/snapback] If that is right, then he absolutely will not miss a game check, or even the paltry checks they get in preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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