Backintheday544 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 1 minute ago, JDHillFan said: Biden has repeatedly defied the Supreme Court on the matter and even bragged about doing so. Is this not above the law in your mind? He has not. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 5 minutes ago, Pokebball said: Biden has clearly been above the law, yes? Prove it 3 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Biden has repeatedly defied the Supreme Court on the matter and even bragged about doing so. Is this not above the law in your mind? He found legal loopholes. This is not illegal. Try again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 1 Author Share Posted July 1 Just now, Backintheday544 said: He has not. He has, whether you turn a blind eye or not 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSHO Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Just now, Backintheday544 said: He has not. Have you heard of Joe Joe crowing about college loan forgiveness? I member. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 1 Author Share Posted July 1 Justice Thomas: "In this case, there has been much discussion about ensuring that a President 'is not above the law.' But, as the Court explains, the President’s immunity from prosecution for his official acts is the law... Respecting the protections that the Constitution provides for the Office of the Presidency secures liberty. In that same vein, the Constitution also secures liberty by separating the powers to create and fill offices. And, there are serious questions whether the Attorney General has violated that structure by creating an office of the Special Counsel that has not been established by law. Those questions must be answered before this prosecution can proceed. We must respect the Constitution’s separation of powers in all its forms, else we risk rendering its protection of liberty a parchment guarantee." 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 1 minute ago, ScotSHO said: Have you heard of Joe Joe crowing about college loan forgiveness? I member. Unfortunately for you and @B-Man you appear ignorant of the law. Biden took other measures to implement different student loan discharges that did not cross any line set by SCOTUS. It’s cool that you member. Just try membering things that actually happen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 1 minute ago, Backintheday544 said: Unfortunately for you and @B-Man you appear ignorant of the law. Biden took other measures to implement different student loan discharges that did not cross any line set by SCOTUS. It’s cool that you member. Just try membering things that actually happen. So his first crack at it that he described as essentially “they probably won’t let me” and was eventually overturned as illegal was all good? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSHO Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 2 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: Unfortunately for you and @B-Man you appear ignorant of the law. Biden took other measures to implement different student loan discharges that did not cross any line set by SCOTUS. It’s cool that you member. Just try membering things that actually happen. But it did get shot down at first, then he slithered by with greaseball tactics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Just now, ScotSHO said: But it did get shot down at first, then he slithered by with greaseball tactics. Which are not illegal. Thanks for playing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Just now, JDHillFan said: So his first crack at it that he described as essentially “they probably won’t let me” and was eventually overturned as illegal was all good? His first crack at it used an EO. SCOTUS said no. Second crack is using proper rule making which SCOTUS has not opined on. He also implemented SAVE which is his own student loan plan. Bush, Obama, Trump had all done the same. A lot of the forgiveness we’re seeing is PSFL actually getting processed, which was part of student loan terms that the Trump admin wasn’t really processing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 3 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: His first crack at it used an EO. SCOTUS said no. Second crack is using proper rule making which SCOTUS has not opined on. He also implemented SAVE which is his own student loan plan. Bush, Obama, Trump had all done the same. A lot of the forgiveness we’re seeing is PSFL actually getting processed, which was part of student loan terms that the Trump admin wasn’t really processing. The EO which he used words to the effect of “it’s probably not legal/they probably won’t let me” - above the law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 1 minute ago, JDHillFan said: The EO which he used words to the effect of “it’s probably not legal/they probably won’t let me” - above the law “Biden has repeatedly defied the Supreme Court on the matter and even bragged about doing so. Is this not above the law in your mind?” - you 1. It didn’t use the words 2. He didn’t repeatedly defy the Supreme Court take the loss and just say you’re ignorant to student loan issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 1 Author Share Posted July 1 Back to the thread: In a 6-3 ruling, the Court held that a former president has absolute immunity for his core constitutional powers. Further, former presidents are also entitled to at least a presumption of immunity for their official acts. However, there is no immunity for unofficial acts. https://redstate.com/smoosieq/2024/07/01/breaking-supreme-court-rules-on-presidential-immunity-n2175982 The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that former President Donald Trump is immune from federal prosecution for some official acts he took while in office, in split 6-3 ruling. However, the court ruled that there is no immunity for unofficial acts. "Under our constitutional structure of separated powers, the nature of Presidential power entitles a former President to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority. And he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts," Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in the opinion. This ruling may undermine Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith’s prosecution against Trump, in Washington, D.C., for his actions related to the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot and will likely cause further delays as the lower court will now have to determine which acts alleged in his indictment constitute official or private acts before the case can move forward. You can read the ruling below: https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2024-07/Trump v. United States.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 1 minute ago, B-Man said: Back to the thread: In a 6-3 ruling, the Court held that a former president has absolute immunity for his core constitutional powers. Further, former presidents are also entitled to at least a presumption of immunity for their official acts. However, there is no immunity for unofficial acts. https://redstate.com/smoosieq/2024/07/01/breaking-supreme-court-rules-on-presidential-immunity-n2175982 The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that former President Donald Trump is immune from federal prosecution for some official acts he took while in office, in split 6-3 ruling. However, the court ruled that there is no immunity for unofficial acts. "Under our constitutional structure of separated powers, the nature of Presidential power entitles a former President to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority. And he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts," Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in the opinion. This ruling may undermine Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith’s prosecution against Trump, in Washington, D.C., for his actions related to the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot and will likely cause further delays as the lower court will now have to determine which acts alleged in his indictment constitute official or private acts before the case can move forward. You can read the ruling below: https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2024-07/Trump v. United States.pdf So what’s an official/unofficial act? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 (edited) So can Biden have Trump executed for being an insurrectionist? Edited July 1 by nedboy7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 1 Author Share Posted July 1 3 minutes ago, Roundybout said: So what’s an official/unofficial act? If you would READ before you blindly answer. You would see that that is exactly why the court sent the case back down It is not up to you or I to decide . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Roundybout Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 1 minute ago, B-Man said: If you would READ before you blindly answer. You would see that that is exactly why the court sent the case back down It is not up to you or I to decide . Cool, let’s muddy the waters in the lower courts! Awesome! That’s efficient 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 21 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: Unfortunately for you and @B-Man you appear ignorant of the law. Biden took other measures to implement different student loan discharges that did not cross any line set by SCOTUS. It’s cool that you member. Just try membering things that actually happen. That's exactly what Biden said the first time he broke the law 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said: It’s literally out of Sotomayer’s dissent, like word for word. Just now, Pokebball said: That's exactly what Biden said the first time he broke the law I like how BackintheDay gives you a thoughtful response on why it’s not illegal and your response is to take your thumb out of your butt, put it in your ear, and go “nuh uh” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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