NewEra Posted June 21, 2024 Posted June 21, 2024 On 6/21/2024 at 6:44 AM, Doc Brown said: Nobody said that. I have my doubts because he relies more on speed off the line, flexibility, and bend to generate pass rush. Just look at this ghost move he perfected. If he was a power based rusher it would be easier to come back from a second ACL tear at his age. I would be perfectly happy if he's even 75% of what he used to be but my expectations are low. Expand 75% might be a HoFer Quote
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted June 21, 2024 Posted June 21, 2024 (edited) Under a poll would have been nice Edited June 21, 2024 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted June 21, 2024 Posted June 21, 2024 It’s going to have to be over but I’m not sure that it will be 😬 Quote
uticaclub Posted June 21, 2024 Posted June 21, 2024 What if the team gets 50 sacks but these 3 guys have less than 20? Quote
Augie Posted June 21, 2024 Posted June 21, 2024 On 6/21/2024 at 3:29 PM, uticaclub said: What if the team gets 50 sacks but these 3 guys have less than 20? Expand Then…….I will not be surprised in the least. Quote
NewEra Posted June 21, 2024 Posted June 21, 2024 On 6/21/2024 at 2:29 PM, Kirby Jackson said: It’s going to have to be over but I’m not sure that it will be 😬 Expand Just wondering why you say it will “have to be over”? Just make the playoffs and hope the pressure doesn’t stink when we need it. Quote
JerseyBills Posted June 21, 2024 Posted June 21, 2024 On 6/20/2024 at 4:09 AM, Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD said: I think Dawuane Smoot could also get about 5 sacks this season to get 20+ total from our defensive ends. Expand Absolutely, big upgrade over Lawson for example I also like what I saw from Kingsley in limited opportunities last year, he seems to be progressing nicely 1 Quote
Neo Posted June 21, 2024 Posted June 21, 2024 On 6/21/2024 at 3:29 PM, uticaclub said: What if the team gets 50 sacks but these 3 guys have less than 20? Expand Then Oliver is All Pro and/or Carter is DROY. 1 Quote
uticaclub Posted June 21, 2024 Posted June 21, 2024 On 6/21/2024 at 7:52 PM, Neo said: Then Oliver is All Pro and/or Carter is DROY. Expand We got 50+ last year without Oliver as an All Pro & if Carter produces as much as Floyd did, he is probably not winninh DROY Quote
FireChans Posted June 21, 2024 Posted June 21, 2024 On 6/21/2024 at 8:13 PM, uticaclub said: We got 50+ last year without Oliver as an All Pro & if Carter produces as much as Floyd did, he is probably not winninh DROY Expand Brother, if Carter has 10.5 sacks and leads the team, he probably will win DROY or be top 3. Quote
DrMaxPower Posted June 21, 2024 Posted June 21, 2024 Groot has 10's of millions of dollars at stake. Career year incoming. AJE has been consistent - 6ish sacks at 35ish% snaps. He should push double digits in a larger snap share. Miller, we'll see. Boom or bust. He'll either play fairly well or be largely useless. Over. Quote
ganesh Posted June 22, 2024 Posted June 22, 2024 On 6/21/2024 at 5:27 AM, Dr.Sack said: I say over. I think Babich unleashes hell this year. Expand our version of Steve Spagnuolo. I can buy that. However, I don't think McDermott allows him a free ride. Could we add Javon Solomon and make it 30 sacks for the four of them. He could be a difference maker. Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted June 22, 2024 Posted June 22, 2024 On 6/21/2024 at 7:52 PM, Neo said: Then Oliver is All Pro and/or Carter is DROY. Expand It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the DT's out sack the edge boys. Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted June 22, 2024 Posted June 22, 2024 On 6/21/2024 at 9:20 AM, GunnerBill said: I think AJE will lead the team in sacks. I think he is our outside best pass rusher unless Solomon really surprises. I can see AJE being in your 8-10 range and the three players listed still being under 20 combined. Expand Come on Gun?....unless he gets 80% of the snaps, he's not touching 10 sacks. McDermott doesn't trust him enough with his rotation to increase his snaps. Oh and just for statistical comparison Kelsay had 15 sacks his first 4 full seasons. AJ had 15.5 Quote
GunnerBill Posted June 22, 2024 Posted June 22, 2024 On 6/22/2024 at 5:59 AM, LABILLBACKER said: Come on Gun?....unless he gets 80% of the snaps, he's not touching 10 sacks. McDermott doesn't trust him enough with his rotation to increase his snaps. Oh and just for statistical comparison Kelsay had 15 sacks his first 4 full seasons. AJ had 15.5 Expand If they are not going to increase his snaps then signing him to a new deal was a mistake. AJE can rush the passer. It is everything else he struggles with. Maybe that means his snaps don't go up but I don't know who else plays? It will be very apparent very quickly that they can't roll Von out there IMO. Kelsay never could rush the passer and was also starting and playing a very high snap count. I don't think the two are at all analogous as players. I repeat I think AJE will lead the team in sacks this year. Reasons being he will have to play more because there is nobody else and they will have to simplify what they ask from him and allow him to just pin his ears back and rush. Quote
GunnerBill Posted June 22, 2024 Posted June 22, 2024 On 6/21/2024 at 6:44 AM, Doc Brown said: Nobody said that. I have my doubts because he relies more on speed off the line, flexibility, and bend to generate pass rush. Just look at this ghost move he perfected. If he was a power based rusher it would be easier to come back from a second ACL tear at his age. I would be perfectly happy if he's even 75% of what he used to be but my expectations are low. Expand This. 100% this. Quote
TPS Posted June 22, 2024 Posted June 22, 2024 (edited) On 6/21/2024 at 3:29 PM, uticaclub said: What if the team gets 50 sacks but these 3 guys have less than 20? Expand Different than the OP's question, but another good ?? is whether or not the team will get > 50? On 6/22/2024 at 7:57 AM, GunnerBill said: If they are not going to increase his snaps then signing him to a new deal was a mistake. AJE can rush the passer. It is everything else he struggles with. Maybe that means his snaps don't go up but I don't know who else plays? It will be very apparent very quickly that they can't roll Von out there IMO. Kelsay never could rush the passer and was also starting and playing a very high snap count. I don't think the two are at all analogous as players. I repeat I think AJE will lead the team in sacks this year. Reasons being he will have to play more because there is nobody else and they will have to simplify what they ask from him and allow him to just pin his ears back and rush. Expand Yes, it would make zero sense to re-sign him and play him <40% of the time. Also, I believe Kelsay was mostly a strong-side LDE, so bad comparison. Edited June 22, 2024 by TPS 1 Quote
Freddie's Dead Posted June 23, 2024 Posted June 23, 2024 Imma go under. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I've soured on AJE and Groot as sack artists. Von is still a big ?, so we have to wait and see. Quote
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