Special K Posted June 20 Posted June 20 I guess the answer hinges on just how "back" Von Miller truly will be this season. I feel that this trio needs to reach the over for the Bills D to be formidable enough to seriously compete in the postseason. If this trio is underperforming, a move at the trade deadline for a pass rusher(hopefully Khalil Mack) will be a necessity for the playoff push. Thoughts?? 1 7 Quote
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted June 20 Posted June 20 I think Dawuane Smoot could also get about 5 sacks this season to get 20+ total from our defensive ends. 9 1 Quote
transplantbillsfan Posted June 20 Posted June 20 I'll go over. I just think people have been ridiculous in their dismissal of Von. I believe he gets 6+ sacks. That leaves 14 for Groot and AJE to cover. If healthy, I think both have proven they're good for at least 6 sacks at this stage themselves. Over 8 1 2 4 1 Quote
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted June 20 Posted June 20 3 guys that combined for 11.5 sacks last year? I'm SLAMMING the under on this I'd put the o/u at 15 6 8 1 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted June 20 Posted June 20 18 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: 3 guys that combined for 11.5 sacks last year? I'm SLAMMING the under on this I'd put the o/u at 15 They're not hitting 20... Von- 7 Greg- 6 AJ- 5 ....I don't see these guys going above these numbers. Maybe Ed, Smoot & Solomon give us a handful but our sack numbers will be down. Since McDermott became HC, he has yet to suit up an elite pass rusher. 1 1 1 Quote
Doc Brown Posted June 20 Posted June 20 If all three stay healthy I'd go over. All three won't though so I'll go around 16. There's a lot of money to be made now and in the future for these three so the motivation will be there. 1 Quote
Doc Brown Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) 47 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: ....I don't see these guys going above these numbers. Maybe Ed, Smoot & Solomon give us a handful but our sack numbers will be down. Since McDermott became HC, he has yet to suit up an elite pass rusher. Von Miller would've easily had at least 14 in 2022 if it wasn't for the Thanksgiving game nightmare so that's technically not correct imo. He was elite before the Thanksgiving curse. Still though. I get your point that McBeane has failed to draft a true difference maker at defensive end up to this point. 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: I'll go over. I just think people have been ridiculous in their dismissal of Von. I believe he gets 6+ sacks. That leaves 14 for Groot and AJE to cover. If healthy, I think both have proven they're good for at least 6 sacks at this stage themselves. Over It's uncommon for a player of that age to come back from an ACL tear. That's why he's being dismissed. Edited June 20 by Doc Brown Quote
H2o Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) You want to take the over. Three guys, who are supposedly our best pass rushers, can't get over 20 combined sacks? 7 sacks a piece? One get 11 and the other two get 5? Whatever it may be, I'm not confident enough to say yes. I'm going with the under. Edited June 20 by H2o Quote
Buffalo Junction Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Not only will they need to stay healthy for them to hit 20 sacks, but so will Jones and Oliver. Interior pressure is going to be critical this season, and clean up sacks will be needed to reach the mark. 1 Quote
26TrapDraw Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) I think Groot gets 12 sacks on his own this year. He looks like he’ll have a breakout season . I think Miller gets 8 so that leaves the Screen Pass swatter to get at least 1 sack which I think he does by week 1 so taking the over Fo Sho. Edited June 21 by 26TrapDraw 3 1 Quote
Pete Posted June 20 Posted June 20 I like calculated, long shot bets. I would bet, given huge odds, that AJ, Groot, and Von all get 10+ sacks each. Bills got pressure last season, without DaQuan, and having tomato cans backing up Oliver. Smoot, Carter, Williams, Johnson are major upgrades on DL. DaQuan was leading NFL QB pressure rate at time of injury. Interior pressure destroys plays. Oliver was playing the majority of snaps. Now Ed has help on DL. DL will be more stout against the run too IMO 1 1 1 Quote
Buffalo Boy Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) 10 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: I'll go over. I just think people have been ridiculous in their dismissal of Von. I believe he gets 6+ sacks. That leaves 14 for Groot and AJE to cover. If healthy, I think both have proven they're good for at least 6 sacks at this stage themselves. Over As in worthy of ridicule? He’s old, he’s coming off a sometimes career ending injury and often career diminishing injury. The odds are decidedly against him regaining anything near his former ability. Edited June 20 by Buffalo Boy 1 Quote
TPS Posted June 20 Posted June 20 The last two seasons AJE got 6.5 sacks per, with snap counts of 36%. I'd expect him to get a little over 50% of the snap counts this year, which would equate to 9-10 sacks. Groot and Miller will easily combine for more than 10. Of course, the assumption is all stay healthy. OVER 3 Quote
uticaclub Posted June 20 Posted June 20 I could see Groot getting close to 10 sacks being his 4th year. AJE & Miller just aren’t combining for 10. AJE might get 6 or 7, but Miller is washed. I’m not saying we cant get the sacks from elsewhere, but not from Von, he’ll be a healthy scratch most games. 45 minutes ago, Pete said: I like calculated, long shot bets. I would bet, given huge odds, that AJ, Groot, and Von all get 10+ sacks each. Bills got pressure last season, without DaQuan, and having tomato cans backing up Oliver. Smoot, Carter, Williams, Johnson are major upgrades on DL. DaQuan was leading NFL QB pressure rate at time of injury. Interior pressure destroys plays. Oliver was playing the majority of snaps. Now Ed has help on DL. DL will be more stout against the run too IMO We played terrible o-lines the first four games of last season 1 Quote
Buffalo Boy Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) Under My bold prediction: Epenesa has the most sacks with 7. Groot with 6 and Miller with 1 1/2. I can’t decide if we should make this a mostly Bash McD thread ( under the auspices of he was the one directing the acquisition of all these Just above JAG defenders) or if it’s a 50/50 McBeane hatred thread. I love these stealth threads😎 Edited June 21 by Buffalo Boy 2 1 Quote
BarleyNY Posted June 20 Posted June 20 7 hours ago, Special K said: I guess the answer hinges on just how "back" Von Miller truly will be this season. I feel that this trio needs to reach the over for the Bills D to be formidable enough to seriously compete in the postseason. If this trio is underperforming, a move at the trade deadline for a pass rusher(hopefully Khalil Mack) will be a necessity for the playoff push. Thoughts?? The Bills did well to manufacture sacks with their scheme last season. Props to McDermott for that. But to beat the best teams with the best quarterbacks a team needs to be able to get pressure with their front four. The Bills will need to add at least one quality pass rushing DE to do that. 3 Quote
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