HardyBoy Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) 36 minutes ago, NoSaint said: honestly, there’s a few basics not understood here. dead money and guaranteed money are not interchangeable words Got it, so the guarenteed amount can still only be max five years down the line, so if he signed a 5 year deal with two years still on his original deal, the entire remaining guarentee goes into the next five years or less (depending on how they structure) and then as the next season comes along there isn't any cap currently for that player held up by their guarentee because year six is now five years out so that's how they're able to restructure in situations where they aren't actually adding additional years to the deal. You're right, I think I was missing something foundational there, thanks! Edited June 14 by HardyBoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Trevor Lawrence is obviously better but I found this interesting.... 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Trevor Lawrence is obviously better but I found this interesting.... Anyway to see their most recent 20 or so starts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 20 minutes ago, HardyBoy said: Anyway to see their most recent 20 or so starts? That's all their regular season games they've played in their career up to this point. Both played 50 if you include the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) 4 hours ago, FireChans said: I think he might be the best QB they have ever had? The Browns thought they could do better and we saw how that went lol Mark Brunell Edited June 14 by Mikie2times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) Completely average QB. Has never distinguished himself amongst the middling pack. Disgusting overpayment but that’ll happen with any QB that signs an extension. Talent doesn’t much matter. Whether you’re Lawrence, Watson or Mahomes, it’s just who signs last. Jaguars are going to be choked by this deal, zero chance they compete anymore. 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: Trevor Lawrence is obviously better but I found this interesting.... Maybe not so obviously better after all. I’d only put him slightly above Daniel Jones TBH Edited June 14 by PetermansRedemption Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I guess they think Pederson can coach him up the way he did with Carson Wentz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) 3 hours ago, BigDingus said: I used to think these contracts were crazy, but now I'm kind of in favor of it. The NFL's been the most popular sport in the US for a long time now, but due to the amount of players, it fell behind MLB & NBA in terms of contracts. That's not the case anymore. And given that the cap is slowly approaching $300 million now, it makes sense that QBs would get paid a boatload of money. Mahomes & Allen's contracts looked pretty huge at the time, but each passing year makes them look better & better. It’s cap %. Allen’s deal is still the 2nd most in the history of the NFL. Burrow is the highest. Mahomes is the real bargain. Burrow, Allen, Herbert , and Jackson all got a higher % of the cap than Mahomes. Burrow nearly 2% more than Mahomes. Thats a lot of money. Lawrence is currently 10th. That’s about right. Edited June 14 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 3 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Trevor Lawrence is obviously better but I found this interesting.... This is a classic case of stats not telling the entire story. Lest we forget that 27 point comeback victory in the playoffs vs the Chargers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: This is a classic case of stats not telling the entire story. Lest we forget that 27 point comeback victory in the playoffs vs the Chargers. He also threw four picks in that game. It's more of a case of Lawrence's stats were so bad his rookie year because Urban Meyer may have been the worst coaching hire in the last ten years at least. I guess you could make a case for Adam Gase or Nathaniel Hackett but still. It was bad. Edited June 14 by Doc Brown 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 She doesn't deserve that money 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 8 hours ago, HardyBoy said: Got it, so the guarenteed amount can still only be max five years down the line, so if he signed a 5 year deal with two years still on his original deal, the entire remaining guarentee goes into the next five years or less (depending on how they structure) and then as the next season comes along there isn't any cap currently for that player held up by their guarentee because year six is now five years out so that's how they're able to restructure in situations where they aren't actually adding additional years to the deal. You're right, I think I was missing something foundational there, thanks! “dead money” in the cap is generally money you have already paid but hasn’t hit your cap. A signing bonus is amortized over the duration of the contract, up to 5 years. Example - a 10m bonus on a 5+ year deal becomes 2m per year for 5 years in accounting. If you move on from a guy after a year you have to claim that other 8M that you paid at signing in your cap still because you gave it to a player as compensation already. Future guaranteed money can be moved to another team in a trade. If a new team assumes a contract they are responsible for the future cash payments and the cap accounting of those future payments. It only becomes dead money for a team if they cut him and have to pay the future guaranteed dollars themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 12 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Allen's contact continues to be a bargain, meanwhile, I'm in need of some funds. Are you broke ? Me too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 'Trevor Lawrence Gets Extension' * Marissa Mowry approves. In more ways than one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Awesome. Jags will be mediocre for awhile now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I’d pay TLaw this if I were the Jags. You have to have an elite QB in the AFC right now, and while I don’t think he is that, I do think he still has potential. However, he has a lot of Herbert in him where the idea of him is greater than the actual player. If Lawrence didn’t have a generational run at Clemson, followed by the draft hype, he would’ve never gotten this money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Compared to Browns contract with Deshaun Watson this is a steal… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: That's all their regular season games they've played in their career up to this point. Both played 50 if you include the playoffs. Oh for sure, but if one had a great start and then stunk and then one had a rough start and then did awesome that's important to know. Think of Peyton Manning and RGIII...they might look reasonably similar if you look over their first 40 or so games since RGIII had such an amazing first year and Manning was rough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artem Lipatov Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I remeber his draft year. Everybody talked about him as the biggest QB talent since Manning and Luck. Jets could take him as 1st overall. I don't watch college football but I was scared by these reports that Jets have to get generational talent at QB position. But they won at the end of season and 1st pick went to Jax. Jets fans cried that Jets even suck in sucking 😁. I felt relieved. But after several seasons in NFL I see nothing special in Lawrence. Mediocre QB. What all these scouts saw in him in college? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 2 minutes ago, Artem Lipatov said: I remeber his draft year. Everybody talked about him as the biggest QB talent since Manning and Luck. Jets could take him as 1st overall. I don't watch college football but I was scared by these reports that Jets have to get generational talent at QB position. But they won at the end of season and 1st pick went to Jax. Jets fans cried that Jets even suck in sucking 😁. I felt relieved. But after several seasons in NFL I see nothing special in Lawrence. Mediocre QB. What all these scouts saw in him in college? He was a really good college QB. Those Clemson teams were stacked with talent during that run though. But it almost seems as if what you saw in college has been his ceiling in the NFL. In the NFL, the speed of the game is obviously faster and the windows are tighter. That's why you see the same guy that he was in college, but with more INT's. He kinda reminds me of Ryan Tannehill. A solid, but not elite QB and the Jags just gave him elite $$$. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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