LeGOATski Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 I actually am surprised that the union does not make each slot a fully set contract, including offset money. Having teams mess around the edges does not look good for teams worth billions, but due to the salary cap it can matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 2 hours ago, MJS said: I remember the days when it wasn't and teams had to shell out real cash for their draft picks, many of whom became busts. The rookie wage scale was a significant change. Sam Bradford was one of the last big contracts before the rookie wage scale, I think. That guy got so much money for doing so little in the NFL. Over $130 million over his career. Highway robbery. Yeah but at least he played for a while as a starter...what about players like Ja'Marcus Russell and Akili Smith who busted early? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 3 hours ago, Big Turk said: Yeah but at least he played for a while as a starter...what about players like Ja'Marcus Russell and Akili Smith who busted early? All these guys are why the rookie wage scale is smart for the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanfrom83 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Has he finished signing it yet? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Wonder how many yellow coats he can buy now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 15 hours ago, ryguy101 said: i know one of the employees there and he apparently gave 5 dollars to every employee he came in contact with $4.61 actually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Beane has $7.5M in cap space according to Spotrac. $4M for PS and $3.5M for the season. I wouldn't expect any bigger signings. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/_/year/2024 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 58 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Beane has $7.5M in cap space according to Spotrac. $4M for PS and $3.5M for the season. I wouldn't expect any bigger signings. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/_/year/2024 I don't expect anything.....however if they wanted to, they could do pretty much anything. Contracts can be backloaded, more $ can be freed up yet 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 21 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 21 hours ago, MJS said: I remember the days when it wasn't and teams had to shell out real cash for their draft picks, many of whom became busts. The rookie wage scale was a significant change. Sam Bradford was one of the last big contracts before the rookie wage scale, I think. That guy got so much money for doing so little in the NFL. Over $130 million over his career. Highway robbery. The crazy part is he got multiple contracts AFTER the record setting rookie deal. 3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I don't expect anything.....however if they wanted to, they could do pretty much anything. Contracts can be backloaded, more $ can be freed up yet May have to use some on a kicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Schefty needs to change the text to read: Bills sign second round bust 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 7 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Beane has $7.5M in cap space according to Spotrac. $4M for PS and $3.5M for the season. I wouldn't expect any bigger signings. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/_/year/2024 If they want to they can convert the rest of Josh's contract and do the same with Ed Oliver and free up about 9 million. BUT I do not think they will do that unless they really need to make a move or something "too good to be true" happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) On 6/13/2024 at 11:58 AM, Warriorspikes51 said: I don't expect anything.....however if they wanted to, they could do pretty much anything. Contracts can be backloaded, more $ can be freed up yet I think that's an oversimplification. There was a time as recent as a few years ago where we weren't as privy about contracts and money would seemingly appear like magic. These days, especially this year, every single contract where money could be saved was accounted for. Every cut, restructure, extension, pay cut possible was talked ad nauseum when we were 54m over. And for that list, we did pretty much all of them that we were going to do or could do, before their money guarantee deadlines. There were only two cords that were left unpulled: an Oliver restructure that could save 3.9m and a Milano restructure could save 2.4m. Not sure why he didn't do Oliver, but I have to imagine they want to leave Milano's contract alone - coming off a catastrophic injury. And I think if either was something he wanted to do, he'd have done it when we were scrambling for any possible way to save money. Beyond that, the only things he can do are things he's never done before. Everyone likes to point out he left meat on the bone in Allen's contract. But he must have done that for a reason, as we needed it. If he didn't do it then, I don't see him doing it now. He's never restructured any deal twice in the same offseason. Outside of that, all he could do is restructure FA contracts from this year that he just signed. Another thing he's never done and extremely unlikely as he carefully terms each contract how he wants it when they sign. So the idea that we could do "pretty much anything" is a wild stretch. Could we do a signing? Sure. But anything? No - we can't swing something massive. Especially when we're already 15+m over for next season already. Edited June 14 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 On 6/12/2024 at 5:30 PM, MJS said: I remember the days when it wasn't and teams had to shell out real cash for their draft picks, many of whom became busts. The rookie wage scale was a significant change. Sam Bradford was one of the last big contracts before the rookie wage scale, I think. That guy got so much money for doing so little in the NFL. Over $130 million over his career. Highway robbery. The 2010 owner’s lockout was the rare battle of the Millionaires vs Billionaires that was actually a net positive since it fixed some serious flaws in the compensation distribution system, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 6 hours ago, BillsfaninChicago said: The 2010 owner’s lockout was the rare battle of the Millionaires vs Billionaires that was actually a net positive since it fixed some serious flaws in the compensation distribution system, 2010 was a two front battle, it was the usual Millionaires vs. Billionaires up top but then internally there was a large battle between the players who got large rookie contracts and the players who felt that those deals were hurting the lower draft picks free agency contracts. Which I think the veteran players had a point on this one. In an uncapped league whatever let the players get what they can as rookies there's plenty of owners willing to overspend. But in a capped league if you have big rookie contracts eating up cap space for players who are getting paid dam near top dollar for what they did in college and it's eating up free agency dollars for players who have proven themselves at the NFL level for years. So a slotting system that still guaranteed first round picks a good mid-level or better salary but not super top dollar like they were receiving made sense. It also worked better for the product avoiding the issues with long lockouts that plagued the old system. But I think the issue wasn't one that was very contentious between the owners and players because the players share of revenue wasn't changing as it was more so a distribution issue vs. an overall amount issue. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 On 6/13/2024 at 10:58 AM, ColoradoBills said: Beane has $7.5M in cap space according to Spotrac. $4M for PS and $3.5M for the season. I wouldn't expect any bigger signings. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/_/year/2024 Yea, I think they’re rolling with the squad they’ve got. WR and DL are where they could make a move, but it never made sense at WR given the competition for WR6. Would seem a bit pointless to tell Claypool, Shorter, Shavers, Hamler etc., sorry but 53 is full so nevermind. At DL, I think our DT rotation is pretty good. Strong starting tandem with a high draft pick and solid vet as rotational guys, plus another average vet as DT5. Could maybe use another EDGE, but if Von is back to even 75% Von, we’re pretty good there with Rousseau, AJ, Von and then Smoot, Solomon, Toohill and Jonathan battling it out for 2 spots. Have to think Smoot (if healthy) and Solomon are leaders in the clubhouse there. Nowhere else really makes much sense, except Safety.. which is where I actually do think it’s greater than 50/50 that Hyde comes back at some point before/during TC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: Yea, I think they’re rolling with the squad they’ve got. WR and DL are where they could make a move, but it never made sense at WR given the competition for WR6. Would seem a bit pointless to tell Claypool, Shorter, Shavers, Hamler etc., sorry but 53 is full so nevermind. At DL, I think our DT rotation is pretty good. Strong starting tandem with a high draft pick and solid vet as rotational guys, plus another average vet as DT5. Could maybe use another EDGE, but if Von is back to even 75% Von, we’re pretty good there with Rousseau, AJ, Von and then Smoot, Solomon, Toohill and Jonathan battling it out for 2 spots. Have to think Smoot (if healthy) and Solomon are leaders in the clubhouse there. Nowhere else really makes much sense, except Safety.. which is where I actually do think it’s greater than 50/50 that Hyde comes back at some point before/during TC. Most likely. Although Beane has some room to sign someone with some impact if the deal (and fit) is right. IMO, that's less than a one in three chance. Bring on camp and preseason! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 18 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: 2010 was a two front battle, it was the usual Millionaires vs. Billionaires up top but then internally there was a large battle between the players who got large rookie contracts and the players who felt that those deals were hurting the lower draft picks free agency contracts. It was an easy one to win since the players who would benefit from lower rookie salaries got a vote while the ones who would be hurt in the future did not since they were not in the league yet. It was great for the league and the fans, up to that point NFL news during the summer was mostly about which draftees were holding out and how much they were asking for. In the early 2000's, many people regarded a top three or four draft choice as a detriment due to the amount of cap it was going to take up and the high bust probability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Figures he signed last. Slow to the table Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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