Josh Allen spent the offseason eating chips, golfing, and refining his throwing motion

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Sorry in advance to the “Josh is lazy and unfocused crowd.” 
 

 

 

Fair play to Josh. His mechanics were noticeably worse last year than any year since 2019. Good on him for going back to work on it. 

[ryguy101]

Whatever works i guess, but I feel Allen is at the peak of his career so this is the year or it isn't, just like we say every year. but for some reason im very optimistic

[JGMcD2]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Fair play to Josh. His mechanics were noticeably worse last year than any year since 2019. Good on him for going back to work on it. 

He noted that it was due to elbow and shoulder “tweaks” that forced him to compensate. 
 

Likely the same stuff that knocks guys out for weeks at a time. 

[JaBu]

 

3 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Why did he stop working with Palmer, I mean he has earned that right of course, just curious 

 

I believe it's been a collaboration "with" Palmer, whether it still is now hasn't been specifically stated. As reported in this interesting article from Jan 2022: https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2022/01/24/Technology/josh-allen-embraces-technology-to-transform-himself-from-loose-cannon-to-maybe-a-3d-mvp.aspx

 

"private sessions with quarterback whisperer Jordan Palmer, who, in March of 2020, introduced Allen to a football-technology whisperer: Chris Hess"

"His prime advice was for Allen to work with Palmer on not lifting his back heel before planting his front stride foot, essentially to create proper ground force."

 

And this from May 8, 2024 https://buffalowdown.com/posts/mechanics-source-bills-josh-allen-rise-2020-01hvt06fdyn1  implies he still is working with Palmer. "Since the pre-draft process and during the offseason, Allen has worked with Palmer to improve his arm mechanics, footwork, and game knowledge. The specific change Palmer is widely known to have influenced Allen is his arm mechanics."

 

From another old article: Josh Allen works with Palmer (left) and Mike White (far right), a biomechanics specialist who helps Palmer's clients to refine their throwing motions.

[Buffalo716]

58 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Fair play to Josh. His mechanics were noticeably worse last year than any year since 2019. Good on him for going back to work on it. 

Yeah 

 

I still go to elite 11 quarterback camps all over the country and work with quarterbacks 

 

I saw a noticeable elongation on his motion last year... I thought it was maybe because of the elbow injury 

 

But it's certainly was not as crisp as it used to be 

 

Hopefully he gets it corrected

9 minutes ago, JaBu said:

 

 

I believe it's been a collaboration "with" Palmer, whether it still is now hasn't been specifically stated. As reported in this interesting article from Jan 2022: https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2022/01/24/Technology/josh-allen-embraces-technology-to-transform-himself-from-loose-cannon-to-maybe-a-3d-mvp.aspx

 

"private sessions with quarterback whisperer Jordan Palmer, who, in March of 2020, introduced Allen to a football-technology whisperer: Chris Hess"

"His prime advice was for Allen to work with Palmer on not lifting his back heel before planting his front stride foot, essentially to create proper ground force."

 

And this from May 8, 2024 https://buffalowdown.com/posts/mechanics-source-bills-josh-allen-rise-2020-01hvt06fdyn1  implies he still is working with Palmer. "Since the pre-draft process and during the offseason, Allen has worked with Palmer to improve his arm mechanics, footwork, and game knowledge. The specific change Palmer is widely known to have influenced Allen is his arm mechanics."

 

From another old article: Josh Allen works with Palmer (left) and Mike White (far right), a biomechanics specialist who helps Palmer's clients to refine their throwing motions.

 100% mostly article is spot on 

 

But Josh's throwing motion in 2017 coming out was majorly impacted by his lower body... They would spend weeks without even throwing a football... Just working on lower body mechanics 

 

Then they had to get it up to speed with his upper half... But his lower body was way more in shambles 6 years ago then his release 

 

The last few years his release has been slowly relapsing... Last year it became more elongated then it has been since his rookie year so it makes sense that that's what he's trying to clean up 

 

But I think his elbow injury also impacted his throwing motion

 

Edited June 11 by Buffalo716

[GoBills808]

5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Years ago out of the draft when Josh started working with Palmer... He had terrible lower body footwork

Luckily terrible lower body footwork can be overcome

 

Terrible upper body footwork however... that's a different story

[LeGOATski]

21 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Luckily terrible lower body footwork can be overcome

 

Terrible upper body footwork however... that's a different story

[Buffalo716]

23 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Luckily terrible lower body footwork can be overcome

 

Terrible upper body footwork however... that's a different story

Yeah you can never correct Tim tebow's motion at the NFL level 

 

Even Sam darnold has too much of an elongated motion...

 

When people talk about fast release.. it's not how quick the quarterback gets rid of the ball from the snap... It's how fast he can release the ball once he starts his motion 

 

 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Yeah you can never correct Tim tebow's motion at the NFL level 

 

Even Sam darnold has too much of an elongated motion...

 

When people talk about fast release.. it's not how quick the quarterback gets rid of the ball from the snap... It's how fast he can release the ball once he starts his motion 

 

 

I was joking but yes 100%. Allen's motion was what I liked about him once we drafted him, it was a little long but not wasted motion that couldn't be corrected and stay powerful/repeatable 

 

Now guys like Lamar can make it work but it's still not an efficient release plus I think it puts more pressure on your elbow

[Dan]

5 hours ago, ryguy101 said:

Whatever works i guess, but I feel Allen is at the peak of his career so this is the year or it isn't, just like we say every year. but for some reason im very optimistic

Well a white Buffalo was born in Yellowstone …so it has to be the year.   

[Gunsgoodtime]

I have never been softer

[Sierra Foothills]

8 hours ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said:

I saw him golf and I bet he had some chips

 

8 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Why did he stop working with Palmer?

 

Arnold Palmer died in 2016.

 

What was Josh supposed to do?

 

[nedboy7]

Oddly enough I did two of those things as well.  

[Beck Water]

5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I saw a noticeable elongation on his motion last year... I thought it was maybe because of the elbow injury 

But it's certainly was not as crisp as it used to be 

 

Did you see this elongation from the start of the season?

 

Because remember Josh had the torn UCL in his elbow in 2022, but he had a shoulder injury in 2023 - I don't remember if it was during the Giants Week 6 or NE Week 7, but he took a turn in the medical tent Week 8 vs Tampa after falling on it.  As I recall it was the same injury he had in his non-throwing shoulder in 2020 vs LVR that made his passing not as sharp the next 4 games (and he was wearing a LB brace), then he was fine.  Only in 2023 with it being in his throwing shoulder, he seemed to be aggravating it every couple games, he had a "stinger" against the Pats in Week 17.  

Frankly I thought that was one reason Brady leaned on the run and had a couple games where we barely passed (Dal and LAC).  Didn't someone here (maybe it was @HappyDays) that Josh's shoulder was much worse than the Bills let on, it would heal with rest but it's hard to rest when you're a starting QB and your team needs to win every game.

 

 

 

[MJS]

8 hours ago, first_and_ten said:

Josh Allen is now 28 years old. It's time he really takes care of his body. We don't want another Cam Newton situation. 

Cam got beat up in the pocket. I don't get how people don't understand this by now. His injuries were not from running the football.

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, MJS said:

Cam got beat up in the pocket. I don't get how people don't understand this by now. His injuries were not from running the football.

His most significant injury occured out of the pocket tackling a guy who picked him off. It's very well known.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/cam-newton-says-2016-shoulder-injury-affected-him-for-years

[billsfan89]

9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Palmer is a coach for developing quarterbacks 

 

Josh Allen is all world... He needs a coach now who is better at refining than developing 

 

Some coaches are better at the former some at latter 

 

Palmer may also be more of a "jack of all trades" type QB coach not a hyper focused technique specific coach. If Josh identified his weakness as being his throwing motion and some other smaller technical aspects it might require a coach whose specialty is based in what Josh needs. For all we know Palmer maybe knowing he's not that type of QB coach probably recommended him to someone else. 

[BuffaloBill]

15 hours ago, wnyguy said:

What kinda chips?

 

 

Buffalo chips, of course. They’re a bit like cow patties.

[warrior9]

I know, I know... it's hard to believe because some have told us that Josh doesn't work hard in the offseason anymore. Contrary to the belief of some on this board, I guess Josh DOES do SOME work in the offseason.  

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/josh-allen-worked-to-make-throwing-motion-as-efficient-as-possible-this-offseason

 

Edit: didn't see this posted last night... RIP to me

Edited June 12 by warrior9

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, warrior9 said:

I know, I know... it's hard to believe because some have told us that Josh doesn't work hard in the offseason anymore. Contrary to the belief of some on this board, I guess Josh DOES do SOME work in the offseason.  

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/josh-allen-worked-to-make-throwing-motion-as-efficient-as-possible-this-offseason

I think it’s exactly what people were saying. He used to work on his craft more than he did the last couple years. He’s getting back to that.