GunnerBill Posted June 11 Posted June 11 17 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Sorry in advance to the “Josh is lazy and unfocused crowd.” Fair play to Josh. His mechanics were noticeably worse last year than any year since 2019. Good on him for going back to work on it. 2 Quote
ryguy101 Posted June 11 Posted June 11 Whatever works i guess, but I feel Allen is at the peak of his career so this is the year or it isn't, just like we say every year. but for some reason im very optimistic Quote
JGMcD2 Posted June 11 Posted June 11 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Fair play to Josh. His mechanics were noticeably worse last year than any year since 2019. Good on him for going back to work on it. He noted that it was due to elbow and shoulder “tweaks” that forced him to compensate. Likely the same stuff that knocks guys out for weeks at a time. Quote
JaBu Posted June 11 Posted June 11 3 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Why did he stop working with Palmer, I mean he has earned that right of course, just curious I believe it's been a collaboration "with" Palmer, whether it still is now hasn't been specifically stated. As reported in this interesting article from Jan 2022: https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2022/01/24/Technology/josh-allen-embraces-technology-to-transform-himself-from-loose-cannon-to-maybe-a-3d-mvp.aspx "private sessions with quarterback whisperer Jordan Palmer, who, in March of 2020, introduced Allen to a football-technology whisperer: Chris Hess" "His prime advice was for Allen to work with Palmer on not lifting his back heel before planting his front stride foot, essentially to create proper ground force." And this from May 8, 2024 https://buffalowdown.com/posts/mechanics-source-bills-josh-allen-rise-2020-01hvt06fdyn1 implies he still is working with Palmer. "Since the pre-draft process and during the offseason, Allen has worked with Palmer to improve his arm mechanics, footwork, and game knowledge. The specific change Palmer is widely known to have influenced Allen is his arm mechanics." From another old article: Josh Allen works with Palmer (left) and Mike White (far right), a biomechanics specialist who helps Palmer's clients to refine their throwing motions. 1 3 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted June 11 Posted June 11 (edited) 58 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Fair play to Josh. His mechanics were noticeably worse last year than any year since 2019. Good on him for going back to work on it. Yeah I still go to elite 11 quarterback camps all over the country and work with quarterbacks I saw a noticeable elongation on his motion last year... I thought it was maybe because of the elbow injury But it's certainly was not as crisp as it used to be Hopefully he gets it corrected 9 minutes ago, JaBu said: I believe it's been a collaboration "with" Palmer, whether it still is now hasn't been specifically stated. As reported in this interesting article from Jan 2022: https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2022/01/24/Technology/josh-allen-embraces-technology-to-transform-himself-from-loose-cannon-to-maybe-a-3d-mvp.aspx "private sessions with quarterback whisperer Jordan Palmer, who, in March of 2020, introduced Allen to a football-technology whisperer: Chris Hess" "His prime advice was for Allen to work with Palmer on not lifting his back heel before planting his front stride foot, essentially to create proper ground force." And this from May 8, 2024 https://buffalowdown.com/posts/mechanics-source-bills-josh-allen-rise-2020-01hvt06fdyn1 implies he still is working with Palmer. "Since the pre-draft process and during the offseason, Allen has worked with Palmer to improve his arm mechanics, footwork, and game knowledge. The specific change Palmer is widely known to have influenced Allen is his arm mechanics." From another old article: Josh Allen works with Palmer (left) and Mike White (far right), a biomechanics specialist who helps Palmer's clients to refine their throwing motions. 100% mostly article is spot on But Josh's throwing motion in 2017 coming out was majorly impacted by his lower body... They would spend weeks without even throwing a football... Just working on lower body mechanics Then they had to get it up to speed with his upper half... But his lower body was way more in shambles 6 years ago then his release The last few years his release has been slowly relapsing... Last year it became more elongated then it has been since his rookie year so it makes sense that that's what he's trying to clean up But I think his elbow injury also impacted his throwing motion Edited June 11 by Buffalo716 1 Quote
GoBills808 Posted June 12 Posted June 12 5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Years ago out of the draft when Josh started working with Palmer... He had terrible lower body footwork Luckily terrible lower body footwork can be overcome Terrible upper body footwork however... that's a different story 1 5 Quote
LeGOATski Posted June 12 Posted June 12 21 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Luckily terrible lower body footwork can be overcome Terrible upper body footwork however... that's a different story 4 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted June 12 Posted June 12 23 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Luckily terrible lower body footwork can be overcome Terrible upper body footwork however... that's a different story Yeah you can never correct Tim tebow's motion at the NFL level Even Sam darnold has too much of an elongated motion... When people talk about fast release.. it's not how quick the quarterback gets rid of the ball from the snap... It's how fast he can release the ball once he starts his motion 1 Quote
GoBills808 Posted June 12 Posted June 12 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Yeah you can never correct Tim tebow's motion at the NFL level Even Sam darnold has too much of an elongated motion... When people talk about fast release.. it's not how quick the quarterback gets rid of the ball from the snap... It's how fast he can release the ball once he starts his motion I was joking but yes 100%. Allen's motion was what I liked about him once we drafted him, it was a little long but not wasted motion that couldn't be corrected and stay powerful/repeatable Now guys like Lamar can make it work but it's still not an efficient release plus I think it puts more pressure on your elbow 1 Quote
Dan Posted June 12 Posted June 12 5 hours ago, ryguy101 said: Whatever works i guess, but I feel Allen is at the peak of his career so this is the year or it isn't, just like we say every year. but for some reason im very optimistic Well a white Buffalo was born in Yellowstone …so it has to be the year. 4 Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted June 12 Posted June 12 8 hours ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said: I saw him golf and I bet he had some chips 8 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Why did he stop working with Palmer? Arnold Palmer died in 2016. What was Josh supposed to do? 1 Quote
Beck Water Posted June 12 Posted June 12 5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I saw a noticeable elongation on his motion last year... I thought it was maybe because of the elbow injury But it's certainly was not as crisp as it used to be Did you see this elongation from the start of the season? Because remember Josh had the torn UCL in his elbow in 2022, but he had a shoulder injury in 2023 - I don't remember if it was during the Giants Week 6 or NE Week 7, but he took a turn in the medical tent Week 8 vs Tampa after falling on it. As I recall it was the same injury he had in his non-throwing shoulder in 2020 vs LVR that made his passing not as sharp the next 4 games (and he was wearing a LB brace), then he was fine. Only in 2023 with it being in his throwing shoulder, he seemed to be aggravating it every couple games, he had a "stinger" against the Pats in Week 17. Frankly I thought that was one reason Brady leaned on the run and had a couple games where we barely passed (Dal and LAC). Didn't someone here (maybe it was @HappyDays) that Josh's shoulder was much worse than the Bills let on, it would heal with rest but it's hard to rest when you're a starting QB and your team needs to win every game. Quote
MJS Posted June 12 Posted June 12 8 hours ago, first_and_ten said: Josh Allen is now 28 years old. It's time he really takes care of his body. We don't want another Cam Newton situation. Cam got beat up in the pocket. I don't get how people don't understand this by now. His injuries were not from running the football. 1 1 Quote
GoBills808 Posted June 12 Posted June 12 9 minutes ago, MJS said: Cam got beat up in the pocket. I don't get how people don't understand this by now. His injuries were not from running the football. His most significant injury occured out of the pocket tackling a guy who picked him off. It's very well known. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/cam-newton-says-2016-shoulder-injury-affected-him-for-years Quote
billsfan89 Posted June 12 Posted June 12 9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Palmer is a coach for developing quarterbacks Josh Allen is all world... He needs a coach now who is better at refining than developing Some coaches are better at the former some at latter Palmer may also be more of a "jack of all trades" type QB coach not a hyper focused technique specific coach. If Josh identified his weakness as being his throwing motion and some other smaller technical aspects it might require a coach whose specialty is based in what Josh needs. For all we know Palmer maybe knowing he's not that type of QB coach probably recommended him to someone else. 2 Quote
BuffaloBill Posted June 12 Posted June 12 15 hours ago, wnyguy said: What kinda chips? Buffalo chips, of course. They’re a bit like cow patties. 1 Quote
warrior9 Posted June 12 Posted June 12 (edited) I know, I know... it's hard to believe because some have told us that Josh doesn't work hard in the offseason anymore. Contrary to the belief of some on this board, I guess Josh DOES do SOME work in the offseason. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/josh-allen-worked-to-make-throwing-motion-as-efficient-as-possible-this-offseason Edit: didn't see this posted last night... RIP to me Edited June 12 by warrior9 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 12 Posted June 12 1 minute ago, warrior9 said: I know, I know... it's hard to believe because some have told us that Josh doesn't work hard in the offseason anymore. Contrary to the belief of some on this board, I guess Josh DOES do SOME work in the offseason. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/josh-allen-worked-to-make-throwing-motion-as-efficient-as-possible-this-offseason I think it’s exactly what people were saying. He used to work on his craft more than he did the last couple years. He’s getting back to that. Quote
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