Beck Water Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Discuss. Personally, I think he should preserve his body a bit and Share the Love 3 2 2 12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Discuss. Personally, I think he should preserve his body a bit and Share the Love 15 rushing TDs is insane for a QB especially since they weren’t all from half a yard out. I will go to my grave knowing Allen got robbed out of the MVP last year. 7 12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 3 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Discuss. Personally, I think he should preserve his body a bit and Share the Love Josh's passing TDs were down a bit, but I thought that didn't tell the full story of how the offense as a whole had more run/pass balance and Allen tacked on a lot of those rushing TDs. Allen puts defenders in conflict when he rolls out or he can take it up the gut if the second level opens up. With him taking more outlet options underneath (dumps to Cook or Shakir) for RAC rather than eyes pinned deep waiting for those to open up, it makes those moves even harder to defend. Would rather see the bruising short yardage keepers go to a RB that can get those tough yards and spare him some of that abuse. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 10 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: 15 rushing TDs is insane for a QB especially since they weren’t all from half a yard out. I will go to my grave knowing Allen got robbed out of the MVP last year. I agree...all the mvp voters care about is how few interceptions you have. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybills Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: 15 rushing TDs is insane for a QB especially since they weren’t all from half a yard out. I will go to my grave knowing Allen got robbed out of the MVP last year. Allen didn't get robbed because McCaffery should have won. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: I agree...all the mvp voters care about is how few interceptions you have. Traditional passer rating maters for a QB to win the award. That will always be something that hurts Josh's chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Was his first the one where he did a Superman and flew into the endzone against the Vikes? Who would have thought back then that he's score so many so quickly 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 24 minutes ago, jaybills said: Allen didn't get robbed because McCaffery should have won. Both can be true: CMAC should have won MVP and when he didn't Allen should have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 3 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: 15 rushing TDs is insane for a QB especially since they weren’t all from half a yard out. I will go to my grave knowing Allen got robbed out of the MVP last year. He’s been robbed twice IMO. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Another crazy stat: He’s the 7th All Time rushing leader. Passing Yards: 3rd Passing TDs: 3rd Rushing Yards: 7th Rushing TDs: 3rd Wins: 3rd 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 6 hours ago, WideNine said: Josh's passing TDs were down a bit, but I thought that didn't tell the full story of how the offense as a whole had more run/pass balance and Allen tacked on a lot of those rushing TDs. Allen puts defenders in conflict when he rolls out or he can take it up the gut if the second level opens up. With him taking more outlet options underneath (dumps to Cook or Shakir) for RAC rather than eyes pinned deep waiting for those to open up, it makes those moves even harder to defend. Would rather see the bruising short yardage keepers go to a RB that can get those tough yards and spare him some of that abuse. THis year will be a good test without Diggs. I think Diggs was able to clear the middle taking two defenders with him. This opened some serious holes up the middle for Josh to scamper and then bull rush people. Without Diggs, will our WRs get double-teamed and will they be able to create space for Josh 6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: I agree...all the mvp voters care about is how few interceptions you have. Passing TD and INT probably play the biggest role in MVP voting (for QBs) as it measures "How good were you" and "How bad were you". You don't want your MVP to be ever called out for the "How bad were you". IMHO, MVP of the league is kinda hard to judge without statistics as they are not really playing for the league. MVP of a team makes a lot more sense 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 17 minutes ago, ganesh said: THis year will be a good test without Diggs. I think Diggs was able to clear the middle taking two defenders with him. This opened some serious holes up the middle for Josh to scamper and then bull rush people. Without Diggs, will our WRs get double-teamed and will they be able to create space for Josh Passing TD and INT probably play the biggest role in MVP voting (for QBs) as it measures "How good were you" and "How bad were you". You don't want your MVP to be ever called out for the "How bad were you". IMHO, MVP of the league is kinda hard to judge without statistics as they are not really playing for the league. MVP of a team makes a lot more sense That will be interesting as I thought I heard Marino and others mention that less teams were doubling Diggs last year. We will see, I think receiver by committee is the best approach, but QBs will always favor anyone who is clutch for them whenever they need that kind of a play. That's why you always try to take their primary away to force them out of that safety blanket... Easier said than done apparently. I am still baffled by how much Kelce gets wide open. Nike must have some kind of radar absorbent material he wears. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 6 hours ago, WideNine said: Easier said than done apparently. I am still baffled by how much Kelce gets wide open. Nike must have some kind of radar absorbent material he wears. When Tyreek was playing for the Chiefs, it was hard to double team both Kelce and Hill. Last year, teams double teamed Kelce and that allowed Rice to make plays outside. Gabe Davis, Knox all benefitted from Diggs getting double teamed. Brady should experiment with putting his fastest players on the field...Samuel, Dalton and Cook. It will be hard to defend all of them at the same time and not to forget the threat Josh poses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 13 hours ago, jaybills said: Allen didn't get robbed because McCaffery should have won. Aiuk and Deebo and Kittle - San Fran is loaded with premier player Edited June 12 by Pete 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Josh Alien Allen 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 If Josh Allen plays 10 more years and averages 7 rushing TDs per year, he will be 3rd all-time in rushing TDs!! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigs Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 All Josh needs is a SB and then the talk becomes: Is Josh Allen the greatest all-around QB of all time? Dude is 22 away from tying Cam for most rushing TDs by a QB, and set the single season record for QBs in a season last year with 15. He still has so much gas in the tank, and when he eclipses 100, they'll be looking for Mahomes' and Brady's rushing TDs in the discussion. All he needs is 1 SB for the talk to be legit as THE all time great. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 18 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: I agree...all the mvp voters care about is how few interceptions you have. That, and how many wins your team has, even though as Bruce Nolan has firmly proven, wins are NOT a Quarterback stat! Have a listen: https://megaphone.link/VMP2689096692 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 The only question with Josh Allen is how long his body will hold-up at this level. Barring some kind of catastrophe, he will easily become the Buffalo Bills all-time touchdown leader in BOTH passing and rushing... surpassing three first-ballot Hall of Fame players in Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas and OJ Simpson. That's impressive by itself. The real question is... How close can he get to the all-time NFL record? He's currently got 220 touchdowns in 6 seasons (averaging out to roughly 36 per year). By far, it's the best pace any QB has been on in the history of the NFL. That includes Patrick Mahomes. - At this current pace, it would take him just over 11 more years to surpass Tom Brady with 624 TDs. He would be 39 years old. Assuming that Aaron Rodgers continues moving up the touchdown list himself, Allen would need 8 years at the current pace to reach the Top 5 and surpass Brett Favre's 508 TDs. He would be 36 years old. - If he can average 30 TDs per year for the remainder of his career, it would take him just over 13 more seasons to surpass Brady (41 years old) and just over 9 seasons to surpass Favre (37 years old). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 (edited) 12 hours ago, WideNine said: That will be interesting as I thought I heard Marino and others mention that less teams were doubling Diggs last year. That's certainly what Snead said. Cosell said the "truth on tape" is that Diggs isn't a #1 receiver in the NFL at this point in his career. 12 hours ago, WideNine said: We will see, I think receiver by committee is the best approach, but QBs will always favor anyone who is clutch for them whenever they need that kind of a play. For a good defense, you need at least 2 WR who are clutch. I think the truth is that the Bills haven't had 2 receivers who were clutch for them since 2021, when Beasley was released. 12 hours ago, WideNine said: Easier said than done apparently. I am still baffled by how much Kelce gets wide open. Nike must have some kind of radar absorbent material he wears. Kelce gets open 2 ways. One is that, like Beasley, he has great release moves and a PhD in football that allows him to study how defenses play zone and find the weak spot, then be on the same page with his QB in secondary route concepts ("scramble drills" with purpose). If there are other receivers to worry about, and Mahomes can extend the play, that's very hard to defend. The second is the same way Gronk did: he pushes TF off, he's reasonably subtle about it, and the refs never call it. When you got a 250 lb tank with a 200 lb Nickel trying to cover him, a bit of push goes a ways Edited June 12 by Beck Water 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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