Matt Parrino - "Claypool has been most consistent WR during OTAs"

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

You know what?  You guys can have this stupid site with all your nonsense.  Go Bills.

Everything will be okay regardless, friend.

[Kirby Jackson]

6 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I get that, but guys like Davonte Adams don’t “separate” either, but they catch more than they miss when it comes to jump balls, contested catches, etc.  Let Shakir and Samuel create space, Coleman will produce when called upon.  

We will see. It wasn’t an insult. The point was, you shouldn’t be surprised that he is getting locked up in shorts. That was to be expected.

[klos63]

11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I posted it somewhere else but have a good friend that is a scout with the Bears. He texted me as soon as the Bills signed him. He said that “hes been a cancer everywhere that he’s been.” He also said, “we paid him to stay home and started winning games as soon as we did.”

 

I know that this isn’t shocking but it’s interesting to hear from that side. My buddy is a former player and generally gives everyone the benefit of the doubt. He went out of his way to say what an idiot Claypool is. That was discouraging.

I'm trying to remember when the Bears started winning games.

[muppy]

a thread in regarding a potential player having a role in the Bills team reverts into  a "quien es mas macho"  I will be right fest **Eye roll**

 

Keeping score on who had what opinion is so lame GROW UP. People can change and so can opinions. 

 

I have been reading message boards for decades and always there will be players on which people cannot agree.

 

We have no current data regarding Mr Claypool In Buffalo. I will wait it out before I deem him a scrub with no hope.

 

People that think they know different need to get over themselves. 

Edited June 9 by muppy

[Kirby Jackson]

42 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I'm trying to remember when the Bears started winning games.

They were 4-2 in their last 6 to finish the season.

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They were 4-2 in their last 6 to finish the season.

 

 

Fair enough, but to say “we paid him to stay home and started winning games as soon as we did,” doesn't seem to line up with the facts.

 

What does seem reasonable is that with him on the field for them they were losing, although it was the first three games, GNB, TAM and KAN.

 

After that they sat him for two games and went 1-1 against Denver and the Commanders.

 

Then they sent him to Miami and went:

 

L Vikes

W Raiders

L  Chargers

L  Saints

W Panthers

L  Lions

W  Vikes

W  Lions

L   Browns

W  Cards

W  Falcons

L  Packers

 

You can say reasonably that they turned things around the last six weeks, but he was long gone well before then.

 

And those last six games were against some bad teams, outside of the Lions. I don't remember that game, but these days beating Detroit is a quality win.

 

That seems like confirmation bias to me, not from you but from him. Or if not confirmation bias then maybe a very cheerful look at how things went after they got rid of Claypool.

 

Which isn't to say that he wasn't a problem for them. I'd be willing to believe it. Something has kept him unproductive (after his first two years anyway) and on the move.

 

 

Edited June 10 by Thurman#1

[BillsFan2313]

On 6/9/2024 at 7:51 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

I posted it somewhere else but have a good friend that is a scout with the Bears. He texted me as soon as the Bills signed him. He said that “hes been a cancer everywhere that he’s been.” He also said, “we paid him to stay home and started winning games as soon as we did.”

 

I know that this isn’t shocking but it’s interesting to hear from that side. My buddy is a former player and generally gives everyone the benefit of the doubt. He went out of his way to say what an idiot Claypool is. That was discouraging.

 

Nice. Why did they trade a 2nd rd pick to Pitt for him? Did he give reasons for that?

[Magox]

On 6/5/2024 at 2:00 PM, HappyDays said:

 

Where did he say that? This is what he said in his report on yesterday's OTAs:

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2024/06/buffalo-bills-otas-week-3-observations-von-miller-flashing-keon-coleman-gets-physical.html

 

 

I'm not going to read anything into two random OTA reps anyways, but sounds like he flat out beat Ingram.

 

I've been scrolling through the comments and all I've been hearing is how "practice squad Ingram" has been winning against Coleman.  I read just about all the articles from camp and nowhere did I see that the only thing I read which you just posted was that Coleman beat Ingram in one of the two reps.  I thought maybe I had missed something.

 

 

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

 

I've been scrolling through the comments and all I've been hearing is how "practice squad Ingram" has been winning against Coleman.  I read just about all the articles from camp and nowhere did I see that the only thing I read which you just posted was that Coleman beat Ingram in one of the two reps.  I thought maybe I had missed something.

 

 

Not commenting on Coleman vs Ingram directly but Ingram is probably going to make the roster. He’s been with the team for two years he is entering his third offseason. I suspect the reason for the lack of any major depth corner additions (like a modestly priced vet) is because they really do like Ingram to replace Dane as boundary corner depth.

[Brand J]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

 

I've been scrolling through the comments and all I've been hearing is how "practice squad Ingram" has been winning against Coleman.  I read just about all the articles from camp and nowhere did I see that the only thing I read which you just posted was that Coleman beat Ingram in one of the two reps.  I thought maybe I had missed something.

 

 

No, it’s just that - hyper analysis of a few reps. Coleman could beat Ingram 8/10, but because we were only told about two, one that got the defense excited, we look at those two and form (too early) opinions.
 

Would you like to see Coleman win 10/10 reps given his importance to our season? Of course! Did Ingram ever have the defense excited after going 1 on 1 vs Diggs? I wonder how often he stopped Stefon. Or even Gabe.

[Kirby Jackson]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Fair enough, but to say “we paid him to stay home and started winning games as soon as we did,” doesn't seem to line up with the facts.

 

What does seem reasonable is that with him on the field for them they were losing, although it was the first three games, GNB, TAM and KAN.

 

After that they sat him for two games and went 1-1 against Denver and the Commanders.

 

Then they sent him to Miami and went:

 

L Vikes

W Raiders

L  Chargers

L  Saints

W Panthers

L  Lions

W  Vikes

W  Lions

L   Browns

W  Cards

W  Falcons

L  Packers

 

You can say reasonably that they turned things around the last six weeks, but he was long gone well before then.

 

And those last six games were against some bad teams, outside of the Lions. I don't remember that game, but these days beating Detroit is a quality win.

 

That seems like confirmation bias to me, not from you but from him. Or if not confirmation bias then maybe a very cheerful look at how things went after they got rid of Claypool.

 

Which isn't to say that he wasn't a problem for them. I'd be willing to believe it. Something has kept him unproductive (after his first two years anyway) and on the move.

 

 

A bad team finished 4-2 without him around. I’m not the one that talked about the toxicity in the locker room. I’m simply passing along the feelings of someone that knows INIFNITELY better than either of us. He watched Calypool’s influence, day in and day out. He, unsolicited, reached out to tell me what an idiot that guy is. I’m not going to try to pretend to know better than him. That would be foolish. He said that things got way better when they left him home. We can try to formulate our own conclusions or we can believe someone there. Up to you

2 hours ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

Nice. Why did they trade a 2nd rd pick to Pitt for him? Did he give reasons for that?

Lol, in my buddies defense, he was still with the Falcons at that point. He moved to the Bears a little after that.

[Magox]

3 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

Not commenting on Coleman vs Ingram directly but Ingram is probably going to make the roster. He’s been with the team for two years he is entering his third offseason. I suspect the reason for the lack of any major depth corner additions (like a modestly priced vet) is because they really do like Ingram to replace Dane as boundary corner depth.

I've read this anecdotally as well, that they are high on Ingram and that they believe that he can be a good replacement of Dane.  The Bills have been good at turning prospects into good contributing players.

[Cray51]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

A bad team finished 4-2 without him around. I’m not the one that talked about the toxicity in the locker room. I’m simply passing along the feelings of someone that knows INIFNITELY better than either of us. He watched Calypool’s influence, day in and day out. He, unsolicited, reached out to tell me what an idiot that guy is. I’m not going to try to pretend to know better than him. That would be foolish. He said that things got way better when they left him home. We can try to formulate our own conclusions or we can believe someone there. Up to you

Lol, in my buddies defense, he was still with the Falcons at that point. He moved to the Bears a little after that.

Scouts tend to have a pulse on the room to a pretty strong degree.  I have a cousin who is a browns scout and he always has stories of which players work out.  To be fair, I tend to hear that players who act out do so when there is a very poor leadership in their locker room.  Hence why Baker struggled in Cleveland, why Peppers was a bit of a clown with Cleveland as well.

 

Maybe Claypool with a strong leadership core here (Allen, Miller, Knox, etc.) and coaches who carry respect will lead to him meshing a bit better than Chicago...

[Paup 1995MVP]

On 6/5/2024 at 12:07 PM, Cray51 said:

I always felt Claypool had the talent, just not the consistency in effort.  You dont just magically have two 850 yard seasons if you can't at least hang in the league.

 

If McD and Brady are able to get him straight and he can have a gabe davis like role on this team (blocking + deep threat + suspect catch rate) that would be a welcomed addition at a discount

Setting the bar at Gabe Davis' overall production in his 4 years with the Bills is not very high.  He had one great playoff game, a second very good playoff game against Indy and the rest of his regular seasons with us were very up and down.  Never consistently good to very good.  Claypool has a lot more athletic ability then Gabe Davis.  Whether that translates onto the field as a very good WR for us remains to be seen.  But I am encourage from what I am hearing.

[Cray51]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Setting the bar at Gabe Davis' overall production in his 4 years with the Bills is not very high.  He had one great playoff game, a second very good playoff game against Indy and the rest of his regular seasons with us were very up and down.  Never consistently good to very good.  Claypool has a lot more athletic ability then Gabe Davis.  Whether that translates onto the field as a very good WR for us remains to be seen.  But I am encourage from what I am hearing.

In aggregate, Davis year to year is a #3 on a top 5 offense.  I'd love if Claypool can do that.  There are legit questions as to whether he can.  I'm hopeful

[Warriorspikes51]

Claypool working and earning his way into a starting role on this team would be good for everyone.  He's still only 25 and has the physical skills....

There's a small chance this could be the best value signing in the entire NFL this year 

Again....he could be a changed man.  Everyone develops/grows at a different rate 

Edited June 10 by Warriorspikes51

[Beck Water]

On 6/9/2024 at 7:18 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

Great post!! 
 

It feels to me that the Bills backed themselves into the corner a little bit. It’s reasonable to say that Claypool is the most talented WR on the roster. We all know the issues in his previous stops. The Bills gambled on him because of the talent in the room. Miami let him walk knowing that they have a couple of guys that can do what he can do when he’s at his best. I hope that he turns a corner and revives his career and character in Buffalo. I’m not counting on it though.

 

A little bit?  WRT the WR room, the Bills backed themselves into a WR corner so deeply their Buffalo Bison Butts are sticking through the wall.  Now I'm not saying they haven't done the best they could, once they made the decision to trade Diggs and take on that mammoth cap hit.

 

As far as Claypool, Claypool had 2 good years with a fairly deep WR of Diontae Johnson, Juju Smith Schuster, Claypool and of course HOF-ish QB Ben Roethlisberger throwing him the ball.  It's pretty notable that the Steelers WR room has something in the water, because the Cray-Cray seems strong there (AB, Tik-Tok Boi, Claypool).  But as far as Claypool goes, the point is: he was a decent #2 with a good QB AND a #1 guy ahead of him.    Curtis Samuel's best year, with Bridgewater as the QB and a couple other good WR on the roster, wasn't that far behind: 77 receptions for 851 yds vs Claypool's 62 receptions for 873 yds/59 receptions for 860 yds.  Different yards of course, Claypool being a deep guy but the point stands, I don't give Claypool props as "the most talented WR on the roster".

 

But since then, he's gotten thrown from the Steelers to the Bears to Miami.  What's notable about his time in Miami, is that he was given very little playing time on offense - a total of 51 snaps in 9 games.  Meanwhile, he was sent out to grind on ST, playing 102 of the ST snaps.

 

I agree that what a guy does, tends to become a habit.  A guy can think he's coasting or taking plays off because the QB sucks and the team isn't going anywhere, but then you put him with a QB where he has a chance to make a difference and the habit remains.  Consider Zay Jones, 2017 draft pick whose story (told by his father on social media) was he didn't have a decent QB throwing to him in Buffalo.  So Buffalo shipped him off to the Raiders where....he did nothing for 2 years before finally getting the flick, in year 5, and becoming an adequate receiver for LVR then a decent one for JAX.

So the question is: in year 5, after a season where he joined a winning team with a top passing offense but was relegated primarily to Special Teams, has Claypool gotten the message that his talent means nothing if he doesn't come prepared to work and keep his head in the game, and that the problem isn't the team (11-6, playoffs) or the QB (Tua led the league in passing); the problem is who he sees when he looks in the mirror.  And, if he's gotten that message, can he act on it?

 

I'm not counting on it either.

[billsfan89]

8 hours ago, Magox said:

I've read this anecdotally as well, that they are high on Ingram and that they believe that he can be a good replacement of Dane.  The Bills have been good at turning prospects into good contributing players.

McD is in my opinion the best secondary coach in the league and if he is keeping a corner around for a few seasons he is probably a player that can play at least solidly within the system

[Rampant Buffalo]

They should get me out there. I'd drop every pass which came my way. Every. Last. One. Then I would be the most consistent.

[Magox]

11 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

McD is in my opinion the best secondary coach in the league and if he is keeping a corner around for a few seasons he is probably a player that can play at least solidly within the system

 

The zone defenses he likes to primarily use are successful during the season but against Mahomes and Burrow they carve it up.   

 

I think eventually they need to do what some of the other top defenses do which is play a higher level of snaps of physical man coverage.    Unfortunately we don't really have the personnel to do that, if Elam can become who the Bills thought he could be he could be an option but the other boundary guys are not man specialists.