Joe Marino talks what the Bills have to do to beat KC in playoffs

[Gregg]

I just hope the Chiefs will finally be challenged in their division for a change. Harbaugh is a very good coach. He took the Niners to the Super Bowl and won a National Championship with Michigan. I have a feeling that Chiefs-Chargers games are going to become must watch TV over these next few seasons.

[FireChans]

22 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

 

Those were the Bills picks they "earned" based on record. They made the playoffs in 2017 and had to trade two number twos and Cordy Glenn among other things to get from 21 and 22 to 7 and 16.

 

So trading a ton of assets to go from 21 to 7 isn't the same as sucking into #1. 

 

If you don't count 2017 (Mcdermott didn't coach the team in 2016 and Beane wasn't the GM), the Bills have only had one pick outside the 20s the whole time McDermott has been the coach and Beane was the GM. Sure, they traded down to acquire picks and used those to trade up...but that isn't the same as being bad and getting top picks in every round. In that same time, the Bengals picked TWICE IN A ROW in the top 5 based solely on record, including #1 overall.

 

 

What does this have to do with anything? 
 

We didn’t get the #1 and #5 pick by being really bad so it’s okay that Edmunds doesn’t play here anymore and Ed Oliver is the 4th best first round DT in his class and Cody Ford was a massive bust?

 

Even though Tee Higgins was pick #33, there’s no way Beane could’ve gotten as good of a player with pick #9 or pick #16 or pick #38? Because he traded up in 2018? Is that the argument?

Edited June 17 by FireChans

[Mikey152]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

What does this have to do with anything? 
 

We didn’t get the #1 and #5 pick by being really bad so it’s okay that Edmunds doesn’t play here anymore and Ed Oliver is the 4th best first round DT in his class and Cody Ford was a massive bust?

 

Even though Tee Higgins was pick #33, there’s no way Beane could’ve gotten as good of a player with pick #9 or pick #16 or pick #38? Because he traded up in 2018? Is that the argument?

I think you are missing the point.

 

Over the same period of time (2018-2023) the Bengals have had SIGNIFICANTLY more draft capital than the Bills, due to being pretty bad at least two of those years and only making the playoffs TWICE. 

 

In 2018, the Bengals had pick 12. They traded it to the Bills for 21 and Cordy Glenn. The Bills then had to trade two second round picks to get to 7 to take Josh.

 

What I am saying is, you aren't comparing apples to apples. You're looking across drafts and at significantly different draft capital and comparing the top two or three picks for each organization. Of course the Bengals high end guys are better...they were picked way higher routinely. 

 

 

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

I think you are missing the point.

 

Over the same period of time (2018-2023) the Bengals have had SIGNIFICANTLY more draft capital than the Bills, due to being pretty bad at least two of those years and only making the playoffs TWICE. 

 

In 2018, the Bengals had pick 12. They traded it to the Bills for 21 and Cordy Glenn. The Bills then had to trade two second round picks to get to 7 to take Josh.

 

What I am saying is, you aren't comparing apples to apples. You're looking across drafts and at significantly different draft capital and comparing the top two or three picks for each organization. Of course the Bengals high end guys are better...they were picked way higher routinely. 

 

 

So why is Tee Higgins better than Tremaine Edmunds or Ed Oliver?

 

He was not picked higher than either of them. 

Edited June 17 by FireChans

[Mikey152]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

So why is Tee Higgins better than Tremaine Edmunds or Ed Oliver?

 

He was not picked higher than either of them. 

Is he, though?  

[FireChans]

13 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

Is he, though?  

Yeah, he is.

 

you seem to think there’s a vast gulf between picks 5 and 33 and 9, 16 and 38.

 

From a draft value perspective, 5 is 2184 points and 33 is 1228 points. That’s a total of 3412 points.

 

9, 16 and 38 are 1887, 1595, 1157 for a total of 4639 points

 

So really the Bills non-QB picks have been worth more than the Bengals. And they have drafted impact players with those picks, and we have not.

 

Its kinda undeniable. 
 

https://overthecap.com/draft-trade-value-chart#google_vignette

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

What does this have to do with anything? 
 

We didn’t get the #1 and #5 pick by being really bad so it’s okay that Edmunds doesn’t play here anymore and Ed Oliver is the 4th best first round DT in his class and Cody Ford was a massive bust?

 

Even though Tee Higgins was pick #33, there’s no way Beane could’ve gotten as good of a player with pick #9 or pick #16 or pick #38? Because he traded up in 2018? Is that the argument?

No, but you’re comparing them to the bengals-  a team that was gift wrapped two elite players because they were bad-  I don’t give Cinci any credit for drafting those two.  Both picks were givens.

 

 I do give them credit for signing Trey and drafting Higgins, wilson, pratt and cam Taylor Britt. Jury is still out on last years class and Dax Hill from the prior year.  
 

You mention Ed being the 4th best DT and Cody ford being a massive bust….as if the bengals didn’t bust taking Jonah Williams and drew sample with the 11th pick in rd 1 and 2…… as if they didn’t draft Jackson Carmen in rd 2……zach Carter in rd 3.

 

GMs make poor selections-  several of them.  It’s inevitable.  I think Beanes biggest blunders have been in FA.  
 

 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

No, but you’re comparing them to the bengals-  a team that was gift wrapped two elite players because they were bad-  I don’t give Cinci any credit for drafting those two.  Both picks were givens.

 

 I do give them credit for signing Trey and drafting Higgins, wilson, pratt and cam Taylor Britt. Jury is still out on last years class and Dax Hill from the prior year.  
 

You mention Ed being the 4th best DT and Cody ford being a massive bust….as if the bengals didn’t bust taking Jonah Williams and drew sample with the 11th pick in rd 1 and 2…… as if they didn’t draft Jackson Carmen in rd 2……zach Carter in rd 3.

 

GMs make poor selections-  several of them.  It’s inevitable.  I think Beanes biggest blunders have been in FA.  
 

 

I didn’t say the Bengals haven’t drafted busts.

 

I said that when we had high picks when we were bad and picking high we didn’t nail as many as they did. 
 

I know folks have memory-holed the Bills picking in the top 10 with this current staff and Josh Allen but it happened. We also had 2 first rounders in 2018 because of the previous trade down. we didn’t get enough impact players with those picks. 
 

Folks are out here acting like we’ve been picking at #28 for Beano’s whole tenure and it just ain’t true.

[Mikey152]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Yeah, he is.

 

you seem to think there’s a vast gulf between picks 5 and 33 and 9, 16 and 38.

 

From a draft value perspective, 5 is 2184 points and 33 is 1228 points. That’s a total of 3412 points.

 

9, 16 and 38 are 1887, 1595, 1157 for a total of 4639 points

 

So really the Bills non-QB picks have been worth more than the Bengals. And they have drafted impact players with those picks, and we have not.

 

Its kinda undeniable. 
 

https://overthecap.com/draft-trade-value-chart#google_vignette

Again, you're cherry picking.

 

The Bills actual First round picks (earned) since 2018 are:  21, 9, 22, 30, 25, 27 and 28

The Bengals earned first round picks since 2018 are: 12, 11, 1, 5, 31, 28, 18

 

The two years the Bengals made the playoffs, they drafted Daxton Hill and Miles Murphy. 

 

Did the bills make trades for more draft capital? Yes. Did they trade for All Pro WR? Yes. But those trades cost assets. They weren't free. And you just skip Josh like it was a slam dunk. Their first pick that year was 21. They used most of their ammo to get him. They didn't get their QB by winning two games.

 

I get it. 2019 was a rough year for the first two rounds and Elam hasn't panned out so far. 

Edited June 17 by Mikey152

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

Again, you're cherry picking.

 

The Bills actual First round picks (earned) since 2018 are:  21, 9, 22, 30, 25, 27 and 28

The Bengals earned first round picks since 2018 are: 12, 11, 1, 5, 31, 28, 18

 

The two years the Bengals made the playoffs, they drafted Daxton Hill and Miles Murphy. 

Omg, this is getting absurd.

 

you think that because we traded up to pick #16 on Edmunds, he doesn’t count as using the 16th pick in the draft on him?

 

You think that because we traded up to pick #7 for Josh, it doesn’t count as the 7th pick?

Edited June 17 by FireChans

[Rampant Buffalo]

I'm definitely interested in what Marino has to say about the Bills. Also, I'm interested in what our OC, Brady, has to say. Finally, I'd like to hear the thoughts of recently-released Bills coach Shula.

[Mikey152]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Omg, this is getting absurd.

 

you think that because we traded up to pick #16 on Edmunds, he doesn’t count as using the 16th pick in the draft on him?

 

You think that because we traded up to pick #7 for Josh, it doesn’t count as the 7th pick?

The point is, Julio Jones at #6 is a slam dunk. 

 

Julio Jones for two firsts, a second and a 4th...that's a big difference. 

 

Did the Bills miss on some players?  Sure. All teams do. The fact that they even picked that high despite being in the playoffs and not mortgage the future, managing to field a strong team is the sign of a good front office.

 

The Bengals hit on a few guys after years where they won 2 and 4 games. All their other drafts are full of ok at best guys in the first two rounds. They are a terrible example to compare the Bills FO to.

Edited June 17 by Mikey152

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

The point is, Julio Jones at #6 is a slam dunk. 

 

Julio Jones for two firsts, a second and a 4th...that's a big difference. 

 

Did the Bills miss on some players?  Sure. All teams do. The fact that they even picked that high despite being in the playoffs and not mortgage the future, managing to field a strong team is the sign of a good front office.

 

The Bengals hit on a few guys after years where they won 2 and 4 games. All their other drafts are full of ok at best guys in the first two rounds. They are a terrible example to compare the Bills FO to.

So trading UP for Edmunds is a far bigger failure than just sitting and taking him at #22? Is that what you are trying to say?

 

also spoiler alert, our 1st two rounds are also full of ok at best guys lol

Edited June 17 by FireChans

[Mikey152]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

So trading UP for Edmunds is a far bigger failure than just sitting and taking him at #22? Is that what you are trying to say?

 

also spoiler alert, our 1st two rounds are also full of ok at best guys lol

That's the whole point. 

 

Once you get out of the top 15, it's super inconsistent. The slam dunks at high value positions are gone. The Bills tried to move up to get the guys they wanted and were hit or miss, but they were always dealing from a weak position relative to the bad teams.

 

How many stars have the chiefs or Ravens drafted in the first round since 2020? 

 

And Edmunds made the pro bowl 2x and signed a huge FA deal. He isn't the best player in the NFL, but most people would take that at 16. Meanwhile, Tee Higgins had 600 yards receiving last year in a contract year and he's better than everyone on the Bills.

[FireChans]

Just now, Mikey152 said:

That's the whole point. 

 

Once you get out of the top 15, it's super inconsistent. The slam dunks at high value positions are gone. The Bills tried to move up to get the guys they wanted and were hit or miss, but they were always dealing from a weak position relative to the bad teams.

 

How many stars have the chiefs or Ravens drafted in the first round since 2020? 

 

And Edmunds made the pro bowl 2x and signed a huge FA deal. He isn't the best player in the NFL, but most people would take that at 16. Meanwhile, Tee Higgins had 600 yards receiving last year in a contract year and he's better than everyone on the Bills.

Tee Higgins was hurt and his QB was hurt. Did you watch the games lol

 

He will sign a bigger contract than both Eddie and Edmunds because ….  wait for it…. he’s worth more.

 

Kyle Hamilton was drafted by the Ravens in the first, he’s a star.

Trent McDuffie was drafted by the Chiefs in the first, he’s a star. They also got Karlaftis who had 10.5 sacks last year in his second season. 
 

The logic of some of y’all confound me a little bit. Our GMing is great. Our QB is the best in the league. Our team is great. Our coaches are great. How come the Bengals have beaten the Chiefs in the playoffs and gotten to a Super Bowl before we have when we are superior in everything? How have the Ravens gotten to a more recent AFCCG than the Bills have if we are superior in everything? How are the Chiefs defending back to back SB titles if we are so great? 
 

Maybe, just maybe, some of these things aren’t so great. 

[Mikey152]

27 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Tee Higgins was hurt and his QB was hurt. Did you watch the games lol

 

He will sign a bigger contract than both Eddie and Edmunds because ….  wait for it…. he’s worth more.

 

Kyle Hamilton was drafted by the Ravens in the first, he’s a star.

Trent McDuffie was drafted by the Chiefs in the first, he’s a star. They also got Karlaftis who had 10.5 sacks last year in his second season. 
 

The logic of some of y’all confound me a little bit. Our GMing is great. Our QB is the best in the league. Our team is great. Our coaches are great. How come the Bengals have beaten the Chiefs in the playoffs and gotten to a Super Bowl before we have when we are superior in everything? How have the Ravens gotten to a more recent AFCCG than the Bills have if we are superior in everything? How are the Chiefs defending back to back SB titles if we are so great? 
 

Maybe, just maybe, some of these things aren’t so great. 

Are you new to sports?

 

The model is and has always been:  Be really bad for a few seasons, stockpile high picks, draft elite players, hope you win a championship. 

 

Very few teams have sustainable runs for several years without a QB who carries them, and they all inevitably have issues with supporting cast talent level. It's just how it is.

 

2020-2024 was 5 years. You gave me 1 or 2 players from each team. A safety, a CB and a DE. And the Chiefs had to trade Tyreek to get one of them. Kyle Hamilton was #14 overall, aka the Ravens down year when Lamar got hurt. Karlaftis had 10.5 sacks his second year...GR had 8 in 13 games his second year. Are they really that different or are you just trying to prove a point?

 

Side note:  The best player (so far) in the second round from that 2022 draft?  James Cook (Ill take second after Hall, but either way). Best from the third? Bernard. Probably also top 5 in the 5th round (Shakir) and best from the 6th (Benford).

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[TBBills Fan]

I came in, peeped the scene and quickly left

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

Are you new to sports?

 

The model is and has always been:  Be really bad for a few seasons, stockpile high picks, draft elite players, hope you win a championship. 

 

Very few teams have sustainable runs for several years without a QB who carries them, and they all inevitably have issues with supporting cast talent level. It's just how it is.

 

2020-2024 was 5 years. You gave me 1 or 2 players from each team. A safety, a CB and a DE. And the Chiefs had to trade Tyreek to get one of them. Kyle Hamilton was #14 overall, aka the Ravens down year when Lamar got hurt. Karlaftis had 10.5 sacks his second year...GR had 8 in 13 games his second year. Are they really that different or are you just trying to prove a point?

So, to the bolded, my point of contention is that:

 

We had a down year, in 2018. 

 

We also traded back in 2017 to add an extra first round pick for the next year.

In those two off seasons, we picked players at #7, #9, #16, #38. Picks we can all agree are not bottom of the first and bottom of the second rounds. They are the highest picks that the Bills have had since Josh became Josh. 
 

In those two off-seasons, we drafted 1 elite player with those picks.
 

Which is not enough to win a Super Bowl, even though the elite player was a QB.

 

If we had drafted a HoF TE in the third, it wouldn’t matter as much. But we didn’t. 
 

If we had drafted a few elite offensive linemen in the late rounds, it wouldn’t matter as much. But we didn’t.

 

if we had drafted an elite pass rusher in the second, it wouldn’t matter as much. But we didn’t.

The Ravens and Chiefs haven’t had many down years between the two of them. But they have found more stars than us.

 

The Bengals have had more down years than us. But they have also found more stars than us. 
 

So, imo, not finding stars when we had relatively high picks is a blown opportunity. Finding stars in the mid rounds is very difficult and ultimately very predictable. Your top 10 pick needs to be a home run. It wasn’t. Your trade up to 16 has to be a player you think is worth a second contract with us. He wasn’t.

 

If one or two of those picks had been better players, we may be discussing if the Bills can 3peat SB runs today. But they weren’t, so we aren’t. We are instead discussing why we have continuously been the 3rd or 4th best AFC team with a QB who has been the best or second best QB in the NFL.

 

Beane isn’t perfect. The expectation to be perfect is not what I’m talking about. IIRC, Ed Oliver was the consensus 1B DT pre-draft. In a redraft, with the benefit of hindsight, he would obviously be lower than that. But you could make the argument that it wasn’t a miss, especially because he’s not a bad player, he’s just not a great player. 
 

But you cannot make the argument that we have not had chances to get elite players higher than pick 28 because of our oh-so terrible draft position because we are so damn good all the time. We have had chances, and we didn’t execute them, save one (the most important one).

[Mikey152]

21 minutes ago, FireChans said:

So, to the bolded, my point of contention is that:

 

We had a down year, in 2018. 

 

We also traded back in 2017 to add an extra first round pick for the next year.

In those two off seasons, we picked players at #7, #9, #16, #38. Picks we can all agree are not bottom of the first and bottom of the second rounds. They are the highest picks that the Bills have had since Josh became Josh. 
 

In those two off-seasons, we drafted 1 elite player with those picks.
 

Which is not enough to win a Super Bowl, even though the elite player was a QB.

 

If we had drafted a HoF TE in the third, it wouldn’t matter as much. But we didn’t. 
 

If we had drafted a few elite offensive linemen in the late rounds, it wouldn’t matter as much. But we didn’t.

 

if we had drafted an elite pass rusher in the second, it wouldn’t matter as much. But we didn’t.

The Ravens and Chiefs haven’t had many down years between the two of them. But they have found more stars than us.

 

The Bengals have had more down years than us. But they have also found more stars than us. 
 

So, imo, not finding stars when we had relatively high picks is a blown opportunity. Finding stars in the mid rounds is very difficult and ultimately very predictable. Your top 10 pick needs to be a home run. It wasn’t. Your trade up to 16 has to be a player you think is worth a second contract with us. He wasn’t.

 

If one or two of those picks had been better players, we may be discussing if the Bills can 3peat SB runs today. But they weren’t, so we aren’t. We are instead discussing why we have continuously been the 3rd or 4th best AFC team with a QB who has been the best or second best QB in the NFL.

 

Beane isn’t perfect. The expectation to be perfect is not what I’m talking about. IIRC, Ed Oliver was the consensus 1B DT pre-draft. In a redraft, with the benefit of hindsight, he would obviously be lower than that. But you could make the argument that it wasn’t a miss, especially because he’s not a bad player, he’s just not a great player. 
 

But you cannot make the argument that we have not had chances to get elite players higher than pick 28 because of our oh-so terrible draft position because we are so damn good all the time. We have had chances, and we didn’t execute them, save one (the most important one).

 

I think you are making a strawman argument. I never said that the Bills never had high picks under Beane. I said that they have made the playoffs every season but one. Even the high picks were work to acquire. If you compare us to the Bengals, it is pretty clear that over the last 7 years they have had considerably better picks than the Bills through the entire draft in all but two seasons. The fact that they pulled two star receivers to the Bills one (Diggs) isn't much of an accomplishment...If Kincaid pans out like we hope, it might not even be as bad.

 

Take Tee Higgins for example. He is a good player. Maybe even great. But he is probably the 4th best receiver from that class, at best,. and thats not counting Diggs. Arguably lower. Statistically he's not that much better than Gabe.

 

Also, as luck would have it...the years we had high picks were not great years for receivers. 2020 was like the best WR draft in history and 2021 was super top heavy...I just am not gonna give the Bengals FO a ton of credit for those two drafts, and that is really all you are hanging your hat on with them.

 

Nobody said Beane is perfect. He could have done better on a few first rounders, but he hasn't really had any slam dunk opportunities, either. I know Elam sucks, but who are you taking instead? I know GR isn't an all-pro, but who would you rather have? I know we could have JJ, but at the time Diggs made sense. 

 

I might give Beane too much credit, but probably only because you don't give him enough.

Edited June 17 by Mikey152

[FireChans]

On 6/14/2024 at 9:53 AM, FireChans said:

You know we won 6 games with a rookie Josh and picked Oliver in the top 10, right?

 

You know we had 2 first round picks in 2018 and picked an amazing QB, and a MLB who is quite literally just “okay” and doesn’t play here no mo?

 

The Bengals took Burrow and Chase in their 2 sucky years.

 

We took Josh, Edmunds and Oliver.

 

Chase >>>>> Edmunds+Oliver, obviously.

 

 

On 6/14/2024 at 10:23 AM, FireChans said:

Dude I know they aren’t the same year. The point is that they drafted impact players when they sucked. We didn’t.

 

On 6/14/2024 at 11:08 AM, FireChans said:

It's not a good point. We had high picks in 2019 and 2 first rounders in 2018.

 

Bengals took Burrow, Chase, Higgins when they had 3 picks in the top 38.

 

We took Josh, Edmunds, Oliver, Ford when we had 4 picks in the top 38.

 

It's literally the reason they have better stars. They nailed 3 of their high picks, and we nailed 1.

 

On 6/14/2024 at 12:49 PM, FireChans said:

They weren’t the same drafts. I know this. That’s why I said the years. 
 

If we had taken Wilkins, or Lawrence or Simmons at #9 (all impact players that are better DT’s than Ed) and DK in the second, I would not be sitting here talking about how we failed to find impact players with those picks.

 

If we had taken Jaire Alexander or DJ Moore (guys that would’ve for sure gotten second contracts with the Bills) over Edmunds (who was not an impact player and did not get a second contract  here), I would not be sitting here talking about how we failed to find impact players with that pick.

 

Beane (and you) keep talking about how they didn’t suck the year before Chase was in the draft so it’s not their fault they don’t have him. That’s true. What’s also true is that we had our own bites at the apple to find impact players at high value positions, i.e. pass rusher, CB, WR with high picks and failed to do so. We took a solid LB who was a disappointment, a bust OT/OG, and like the 4th best DT in the first round who no-shows in the playoffs.

 

When we had comparable picks to the Bengals during their period of suck.

 

They drafted stars at high value positions. We drafted league averages and busts.

 

5 hours ago, FireChans said:

What does this have to do with anything? 
 

We didn’t get the #1 and #5 pick by being really bad so it’s okay that Edmunds doesn’t play here anymore and Ed Oliver is the 4th best first round DT in his class and Cody Ford was a massive bust?

 

Even though Tee Higgins was pick #33, there’s no way Beane could’ve gotten as good of a player with pick #9 or pick #16 or pick #38? Because he traded up in 2018? Is that the argument?

 

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

Yeah, he is.

 

you seem to think there’s a vast gulf between picks 5 and 33 and 9, 16 and 38.

 

From a draft value perspective, 5 is 2184 points and 33 is 1228 points. That’s a total of 3412 points.

 

9, 16 and 38 are 1887, 1595, 1157 for a total of 4639 points

 

So really the Bills non-QB picks have been worth more than the Bengals. And they have drafted impact players with those picks, and we have not.

 

Its kinda undeniable. 
 

https://overthecap.com/draft-trade-value-chart#google_vignette

 

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

I didn’t say the Bengals haven’t drafted busts.

 

I said that when we had high picks when we were bad and picking high we didn’t nail as many as they did. 
 

I know folks have memory-holed the Bills picking in the top 10 with this current staff and Josh Allen but it happened. We also had 2 first rounders in 2018 because of the previous trade down. we didn’t get enough impact players with those picks. 
 

Folks are out here acting like we’ve been picking at #28 for Beano’s whole tenure and it just ain’t true.

 

3 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

 

I think you are making a strawman argument. I never said that the Bills never had high picks under Beane. I said that they have made the playoffs every season but one. Even the high picks were work to acquire. If you compare us to the Bengals, it is pretty clear that over the last 7 years they have had considerably better picks than the Bills through the entire draft in all but two seasons. The fact that they pulled two star receivers to the Bills one (Diggs) isn't much of an accomplishment...If Kincaid pans out like we hope, it might not even be as bad.

 

Also, as luck would have it...the years we had high picks were not great years for receivers. 2020 was like the best WR draft in history and 2021 was super top heavy...I just am not gonna give the Bengals FO a ton of credit for those two drafts, and that is really all you are hanging your hat on with them.

 

Nobody said Beane is perfect. He could have done better on a few first rounders, but he hasn't really had any slam dunk opportunities, either. I know Elam sucks, but who are you taking instead? I know GR isn't an all-pro, but who would you rather have? I know we could have JJ, but at the time Diggs made sense. 

 

I might give Beane too much credit, but probably only because you don't give him enough.

I can’t be making a strawman when I have been making the same point for like 3 pages and you have been disagreeing with every single one lol. I physically CANNOT be more consistent with my argument. 
 

If you are now saying that the 2018 and 2019 off seasons were missed opportunities for draft capital (which is the point I have made for, again, like 3 pages) and that the Bengals did hit on some elite talent with their early picks, why are you still arguing with me? Lol