Bills aPHILLYate Posted January 13 Posted January 13 27 minutes ago, McMuffin said: A lot of us have been wanting an Alvin Kamara type RB and we finally have one. Pay that man! This is exactly how I see it... The run game is crucial to our offense and if we have a top notch guy who we can retain in his prime, I say do it. Retain as many weapons around Josh as we can 1 Quote
stinky finger Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 hour ago, nedboy7 said: For what it’s worth the eagles and ravens are where they are at partially cause of a stud RB. I think having one really adds a dimension to the offense that’s hard to replicate. This is a good point. Cook has been great. Is he in their class? Can we get near that without him? Tough call. 1 Quote
GASabresIUFan Posted January 13 Posted January 13 35 minutes ago, DapperCam said: Why are we haters if we don’t believe in giving a RB a big second contract? To be blunt, it’s a stupid theory. Don’t give ordinary RBs (Moss, Singletary) a second contract fine. However elite players need to be retained. Cook is one of the elite RBs in the NFL and a perfect fit for this offense. He isn’t easily replaced. If guys like Cook were so easy to find, we wouldn’t have had to wait six years between 1000 yard rushers and 30 years between elite ones. 1 2 1 1 Quote
DapperCam Posted January 13 Posted January 13 4 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: To be blunt, it’s a stupid theory. Don’t give ordinary RBs (Moss, Singletary) a second contract fine. However elite players need to be retained. Cook is one of the elite RBs in the NFL and a perfect fit for this offense. He isn’t easily replaced. If guys like Cook were so easy to find, we wouldn’t have had to wait six years between 1000 yard rushers and 30 years between elite ones. But there is a salary cap. You can’t just sign everybody, you need to make decisions. Signing Cook to a $8-10m/yr contract could mean letting Benford, Bernard or Rousseau walk. Or it could mean passing on a big FA signing or trade we could have possibly made (like for an elite WR or pass rusher). So then the question is about the impact on the game between Cook and a good but cheaper FA, or 2nd-3rd round pick. I think Cook has a home run ability that other RBs won’t have, but his between the tackles and red zone work can probably be had for a lot cheaper. Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: I am right there with you. It’s blasphemy but yet… his vision seems to be becoming… elite?? @BADOLBILZ knock some sense into us please… Very deep draft class of running backs this spring. 1 Quote
GoBills808 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 13 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: To be blunt, it’s a stupid theory. Don’t give ordinary RBs (Moss, Singletary) a second contract fine. However elite players need to be retained. Cook is one of the elite RBs in the NFL and a perfect fit for this offense. He isn’t easily replaced. If guys like Cook were so easy to find, we wouldn’t have had to wait six years between 1000 yard rushers and 30 years between elite ones. Serious question You consider cook an elite RB? Quote
hondo in seattle Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Serious question You consider cook an elite RB? Maybe not elite but not a jag either. He'd be a loss if we let him walk. Quote
GASabresIUFan Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Serious question You consider cook an elite RB? Yes, especially in our offense. He is an ideal fit for what the Bills want to do. Today, against one of the top run defenses in the NFL Cook ran for 120 and a TD for nearly 6 yards a carry. Quote
GoBills808 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 minute ago, GASabresIUFan said: Yes, especially in our offense. He is an ideal fit for what the Bills want to do. Today, against one of the top run defenses in the NFL Cook ran for 120 and a TD for nearly 6 yards a carry. Ok 👍we just have different valuations of him You think Cook's elite then sure pay him Quote
GASabresIUFan Posted January 13 Posted January 13 9 minutes ago, DapperCam said: But there is a salary cap. You can’t just sign everybody, you need to make decisions. Signing Cook to a $8-10m/yr contract could mean letting Benford, Bernard or Rousseau walk. Or it could mean passing on a big FA signing or trade we could have possibly made (like for an elite WR or pass rusher). So then the question is about the impact on the game between Cook and a good but cheaper FA, or 2nd-3rd round pick. I think Cook has a home run ability that other RBs won’t have, but his between the tackles and red zone work can probably be had for a lot cheaper. What big FA do we need? We have turned over most of our roster and have a pile of draft picks to continue to restock. We’ll have plenty of cap to keep Cook, Benford, Torrence and Benard. Groot is a nice player, but not elite. We have another year of Groot and then after that Beane will have to make a decision. By that time big $ contracts for Milano, Miller, and Knox will be over. Quote
DapperCam Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Just now, GASabresIUFan said: What big FA do we need? We have turned over most of our roster and have a pile of draft picks to continue to restock. We’ll have plenty of cap to keep Cook, Benford, Torrence and Benard. Groot is a nice player, but not elite. We have another year of Groot and then after that Beane will have to make a decision. By that time big $ contracts for Milano, Miller, and Knox will be over. We have no pass rush, we have no boundary WRs that can separate. That’s the top 2 most valuable positions behind QB (arguably LT is somewhere in there as well, but we’re set there). Also the most expensive to acquire. Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) 31 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: To be blunt, it’s a stupid theory. Don’t give ordinary RBs (Moss, Singletary) a second contract fine. However elite players need to be retained. Cook is one of the elite RBs in the NFL and a perfect fit for this offense. He isn’t easily replaced. If guys like Cook were so easy to find, we wouldn’t have had to wait six years between 1000 yard rushers and 30 years between elite ones. There was a time a few years back where if someone wanted to sign a top FA RB or draft one in the top half of the first round the general thought was "You're behind on what a modern NFL offense is. You're a dinosaur, get with with the times. Times, oh how they change. NFL teams value players with elite skills even at the RB position again. Henry, Barkley and Jacobs were handed big contracts...and 2 of the 3 advanced to the divisional round so far and were a big reason why. And the one that didn't (Jacobs) was matches up with one that did (Barkley) so one was destined to be one and done. But even in the loss the only reason the Pack was even close was because bod Josh Jacobs today. 2 drafts ago draft gurus both professional and amateur thought the Lions were daffy for taking Gibbs so high. That worked out. Robinson was selected by the Falcons before that and I don't think they regret that pick. Because teams play so much shell defense teams need a RB that can make a big play. Be leaned on more. They key is finding a guy with elite skills AND fits your offense. They Bills have that now. IMO they would be fools to let that walk. The answer is a shorter term contract (3ish years) with an easy out after year 2. Slightly more guaranteed up front. It's doable. Edited January 13 by BuffaloBillyG 2 1 Quote
Whkfc Posted January 13 Posted January 13 I think at worst you force him to an extra year on the franchise tag. That won't be cost prohibited based on rb pay 1 2 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Just now, Whkfc said: I think at worst you force him to an extra year on the franchise tag. That won't be cost prohibited based on rb pay In a perfect world. If I had to put money on it the Bills will give him 3 year deal this offseason. Quote
streetkings01 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Franchise tag in 2026 & 2027 and then let him walk in 2028 before he starts to break down. Quote
mbs Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Has anyone mentioned yet that Kromer made Karlos and Gilleslee look like Shady? Cook deserves an extension but someone else will overpay. Quote
GASabresIUFan Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) 23 minutes ago, DapperCam said: We have no pass rush, we have no boundary WRs that can separate. That’s the top 2 most valuable positions behind QB (arguably LT is somewhere in there as well, but we’re set there). Also the most expensive to acquire. And the Bills are 14-4. The Bills proved they don’t need to invest big $ in WRs. That said I expect they’ll add more weapons in the draft and/or re-sign Cooper to a value contract. As to the pass rush, the Bills are middle of the road in sacks, but I think that is more a factor of our D philosophy and our lack of blitzing. Again Beane likes to have depth here and will draft more bodies for the D line early this year. Also guys along the line are available every off-season for short-term deals as kids develop. For example Leonard Floyd. Also of the top sackers in the NFL (11 guys had 11 sacks+ this season), only 3 were drafted in the top 2/3 of the first rd. 1 was taken 30th and the rest were taken in the 2nd rd or later. Van Ginkel, who was a late FA signing this year, was a 5th rd pick and was signed for 2 years 20 mill, with only 14 mill guaranteed and a first year cap hit of only $3.4. We can easily afford such a move. KC’s Chris Jones was also a 2nd rd pick. In this year’s draft highly rated Edge rushers are deep in the draft through the 2nd rd. 22 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: There was a time a few years back where if someone wanted to sign a top FA RB or draft one in the top half of the first round the general thought was "You're behind on what a modern NFL offense is. You're a dinosaur, get with with the times. Times, oh how they change. NFL teams value players with elite skills even at the RB position again. Henry, Barkley and Jacobs were handed big contracts...and 2 of the 3 advanced to the divisional round so far and were a big reason why. And the one that didn't (Jacobs) was matches up with one that did (Barkley) so one was destined to be one and done. But even in the loss the only reason the Pack was even close was because bod Josh Jacobs today. 2 drafts ago draft gurus both professional and amateur thought the Lions were daffy for taking Gibbs so high. That worked out. Robinson was selected by the Falcons before that and I don't think they regret that pick. Because teams play so much shell defense teams need a RB that can make a big play. Be leaned on more. They key is finding a guy with elite skills AND fits your offense. They Bills have that now. IMO they would be fools to let that walk. The answer is a shorter term contract (3ish years) with an easy out after year 2. Slightly more guaranteed up front. It's doable. RBs should also last longer in modern football as most teams are committed to having good running back depth. Edited January 13 by GASabresIUFan 1 Quote
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