SCBills Posted June 1 Posted June 1 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Seems reasonable up til the deep state bs. I think the education backing is lower (there is a growing number of conservative schools), media slightly lower and social media much lower. But the overall point is well taken now that the house is nearly evenly divided. The LI example is unique in that it's not urban vs rural. Is WNY really blue? Sure doesn't seem so from this forum. I think CNY and WNY are kind of 50/50. Long Island used to be 50/50 but recently decided to go full blown red until Santos got kicked out and Republicans (once again) lost an election because they don’t understand how important early voting is. When Trump first got in and railed on the deep state, I also rolled my eyes. Then I saw how much power unelected career bureaucrats hold when it comes to the Pentagon and 3 letter agencies. We all pretty much agree that our govt killed JFK, correct? It just so happened to occur after he stated he would take a wrecking ball to the CIA. Ever since then, every President we’ve had has played ball. Until Trump. Regardless of what you think of him, he doesn’t.. and instead of indicting Presidents for actual war crimes, we now have a former President as a felon, potentially imprisoned… for bookkeeping. You don’t need to agree with me.. I didn’t believe we had puppet masters and a shadow govt that truly runs things at first either. I do now. I actually think it’s quite obvious. Edited June 1 by SCBills 2
muppy Posted June 1 Posted June 1 (edited) I read in PPP but I clearly am not a politico. My definition of who a politico is is a person who contributes to the PPP frequently. As this board was fractured with the more conservative voices moving on EVEN STILL I think both sides of American politics are represented. And both sides do what I am going to type about so don't get me wrong. But I see a thread about a smirk, a smile and I think this is so petty. SO PETTY. I mean Biden could have frowned and then the headlines would be how DISINGENUOUS what a creep child sniffing freak. There is zero way either side will see the others candidate as anything but justified as evil incarnate. SMH I'm not trying to stifle conversation and yes I choose what to open. But again just like flying flags upside down or burning them, I know it happens but I don't have to like it. so much of the vitriol is SO PETTY. Flame away. Edited June 1 by muppy 1 1
SCBills Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, muppy said: I read in PPP but I clearly am not a politico. My definition of who a politico is is a person who contributes to the PPP frequently. As this board was fractured with the more conservative voices moving on EVEN STILL I think both sides of American politics are represented. And both sides do what I am going to type about so don't get me wrong. But I see a thread about a smirk, a smile and I think this is so petty. SO PETTY. I mean Biden could have frowned and then the headlines would be how DISINGENUOUS what a creep child sniffing freak. There is zero way either side will see the others candidate as anything but justified as evil incarnate. SMH I'm not trying to stifle conversation and yes I choose what to open. But again just like flying flags upside down or burning them, I know it happens but I don't have to like it. so much of the vitriol is SO PETTY. Flame away. It’s bad optics. That’s half of the political game. Do I think that was Biden showing us he made the boss call in broad daylight? No. I don’t think he’s “with it” enough to do so. But the image of our current leader smiling when asked about if he’s involved in the potential imprisonment of our former leader… is something. Have you ever watched Veep? I guarantee you his staffers saw him do that and immediately went “No, no, no.. stop smiling!!! What the **** are you doing!?” And when our former President is under nonstop lawfare attacks and we have DA’s offices in and out of the WH that are involved, along with members of the Admin leaving to join prosecution teams prior to the indictments.. it’s hard to not read into this. And do I think Biden himself is calling the shots? No. I don’t think he has much of an idea, at all, of what’s going on. But his administration does … and the optics of that were hilariously bad. 1 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 1 Posted June 1 10 minutes ago, SCBills said: We all pretty much agree that our govt killed JFK, correct? It just so happened to occur after he stated he would take a wrecking ball to the CIA. Ever since then, every President we’ve had has played ball. Until Trump. Regardless of what you think of him, he doesn’t.. and instead of indicting Presidents for actual war crimes, we now have a former President as a felon, potentially imprisoned… for bookkeeping. You don’t need to agree with me.. I didn’t believe we had puppet masters and a shadow govt that truly runs things at first either. I do now. I actually think it’s quite obvious. I think it far more likely that MLK was killed by the govt. trump doesn't play ball by the rules at any time. he makes them up (or ignores them) repeatedly. That's why he's so dangerous (that and because he's a psychopath). I also think the NY trial was fair. trump got much more leeway than you or I would ever get.
The Frankish Reich Posted June 1 Posted June 1 21 minutes ago, SCBills said: We all pretty much agree that our govt killed JFK, correct? Umm, no. 1
SCBills Posted June 1 Posted June 1 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I think it far more likely that MLK was killed by the govt. trump doesn't play ball by the rules at any time. he makes them up (or ignores them) repeatedly. That's why he's so dangerous (that and because he's a psychopath). I also think the NY trial was fair. trump got much more leeway than you or I would ever get. If you believe it was fair (80%+ Dem Jury Pool / 95%+ rulings for the Prosecution / Jury Instructions written to lead jurors to a conviction) *all per legal analysts, even on CNN. How do you explain the common expectation, by almost every lawyer who’s trying to be impartial, that this will 100% be overturned on appeal? The underlying charge not being revealed to the jury until closing, after the defense finished and could not rebut. The denial of the actual former head of the FEC to attest to anything other than basic questions about the function of the FEC. The use of P*cker & Cohen to repeatedly put irrelevant information regarding their guilt (used by the prosecution to imply extrapolated guilt to Trump) into the jurors heads over and over. Nevermind that this is a novel legal theory, never tried before, that resurrected multiple expired misdemeanors by wrapping them up in an abstract felony. This trial has too many Due Process violations to count. But protecting the verdict from appeal was never the worry. They just wanted the short term “convicted felon” tag .. which they will get … until the NY Court of Appeals, or if need be, SCOTUS, overturns the conviction. Edited June 1 by SCBills 1 1
Tiberius Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Fwiw, I do think your side has all the power. I’ve consistently said as much. 90% media backing 90% education backing 90% hollywood backing 70% social media backing In terms of programming the culture, all conservatives have is podcasts & X. In terms of actual power, conservatives only really wield any of it in the Supreme Court.. for now. This is why you see Balkanization in this country. Due to being a Republic, when you lose power nationally, at least you can consolidate it on the state level (or local level.. Long Island is red in an otherwise blue New York state) And in regards to “the deep state”, something I didn’t believe in until halfway through the Trump Presidency.. For all his faults, he’s the only recent President to somewhat put America first and not start any unjust foreign wars. There’s no money to be made for contractors and politicians when the man in charge rejects globalism and expansion. And so, they will destroy him. Oh please. You guys own the highest rated media network, talk radio, most of the churches, the super wealthy Big Oil and other businesses, not to mention since dark money was approved by the Conservative court, super wealthy foreign governments that pour money into campaigns and other propaganda, so cry me a river about how you are being intruded upon 1
The Frankish Reich Posted June 1 Posted June 1 10 minutes ago, SCBills said: How do you explain the common expectation, by almost every lawyer who’s trying to be impartial, that this will 100% be overturned on appeal? You've gotta get out more. I'm sure the usual alt media sources are saying this. I've seen the people who know what they're talking about say that like every other criminal conviction, getting an appeals court to overturn is a difficult slog. There are definitely appealable issues here, but there's nothing even resembling a slam dunk error by the judge. 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 1 Posted June 1 11 minutes ago, SCBills said: If you believe it was fair (80%+ Dem Jury Pool / 95%+ rulings for the Prosecution / Jury Instructions written to lead jurors to a conviction) *all per legal analysts, even on CNN. How do you explain the common expectation, by almost every lawyer who’s trying to be impartial, that this will 100% be overturned on appeal? The underlying charge not being revealed to the jury until closing, after the defense finished and could not rebut. The denial of the actual former head of the FEC to attest to anything other than basic questions about the function of the FEC. The use of P*cker & Cohen to repeatedly put irrelevant information regarding their guilt (used by the prosecution to imply extrapolated guilt to Trump) into the jurors heads over and over. Nevermind that this is a novel legal theory, never tried before, that resurrected multiple expired misdemeanors by wrapping them up in an abstract felony. This trial has too many Due Process violations to count. But protecting the verdict from appeal was never the worry. They just wanted the short term “convicted felon” tag .. which they will get … until the NY Court of Appeals, or if need be, SCOTUS, overturns the conviction. This https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/history/greenbrier-bunker/ is the best example that I know of for a "shadow government" and I'm all for this type of secret operation. Some things need to be secret. I don't believe the issue is nearly as dig as you make it, perhaps because you believe R's have so little power. Re the rest, let's see what happens on appeal. Many "experts" also saw an acquittal.
SCBills Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: You've gotta get out more. I'm sure the usual alt media sources are saying this. I've seen the people who know what they're talking about say that like every other criminal conviction, getting an appeals court to overturn is a difficult slog. There are definitely appealable issues here, but there's nothing even resembling a slam dunk error by the judge. The lead legal analyst who followed the entire trial on CNN wrote an entire article on the Due Process violations present in this case. This isn’t a Fox News talking point. The only people who don’t think this is overturned on appeal are those who get their news from Rachel Maddow, Joy Reid and Morning Joe. 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: This https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/history/greenbrier-bunker/ is the best example that I know of for a "shadow government" and I'm all for this type of secret operation. Some things need to be secret. I don't believe the issue is nearly as dig as you make it, perhaps because you believe R's have so little power. Re the rest, let's see what happens on appeal. Many "experts" also saw an acquittal. No experts saw an acquittal once they read the jury instructions.
ScotSHO Posted June 1 Posted June 1 24 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Umm, no. The mob from daddy Kennedy pissing them off?
Warcodered Posted June 1 Posted June 1 8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: I swear I’m not running their campaign. I mean why wouldn't he think it was funny, Trump a guy who by any person's rational measure would be thought of as being an ####### towards Biden, the guy is constantly insulting him and his family, gets a felony conviction for hush money payments to a Porn star. I mean come on. 🤷♂️ 1
JaCrispy Posted June 1 Posted June 1 (edited) 16 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Annnnd they took my advice. Biden reminds me of Palpatine with that evil grin… Edited June 1 by JaCrispy 1
L Ron Burgundy Posted June 1 Posted June 1 50 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Biden reminds me of Palpatine with that evil grin… Oh he's an evil genius again? Tomorrow will be dementia again right? 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 1 Posted June 1 (edited) 4 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: You've gotta get out more. I'm sure the usual alt media sources are saying this. I've seen the people who know what they're talking about say that like every other criminal conviction, getting an appeals court to overturn is a difficult slog. There are definitely appealable issues here, but there's nothing even resembling a slam dunk error by the judge. Of course, you’re an attorney rendering an opinion, like those that say it’s a slam dunk, or those who say the prosecution was right, just and air tight. In other words, get in line, some people will think you’re correct others not so much. Onward. Edited June 1 by leh-nerd skin-erd
L Ron Burgundy Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Maybe I'm crazy or just in the minority but I find it ironic that some of the people that like to mention masculinity in our country are such big whiners. I think if you post complaining about a smile you probably should stfu about bringing up masculinity ever again. Just like when you give the "the whole world is against us" uniparty, deep state, bs. Would you accept that behavior from your kids? "I didnt do well in school because the teacher was against me." If Josh Allen complained about refs every single game would that be alright? 1
JaCrispy Posted June 2 Posted June 2 (edited) 12 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Maybe I'm crazy or just in the minority but I find it ironic that some of the people that like to mention masculinity in our country are such big whiners. I think if you post complaining about a smile you probably should stfu about bringing up masculinity ever again. Just like when you give the "the whole world is against us" uniparty, deep state, bs. Would you accept that behavior from your kids? "I didnt do well in school because the teacher was against me." If Josh Allen complained about refs every single game would that be alright? “A” for effort, but you are conflating two separate issues here… When the Democrats concocted the Russia collusion hoax, impeached him twice- once for withholding funds to Ukraine, indicted him for having classified documents (both, the same things Biden did), and the Left constantly touting how they will stop at nothing to ensure Trump won’t be president, it doesn’t take a genius to conclude that the entire Democrat political apparatus has been mobilized to eliminate him from the competition altogether…Well, perhaps in your case, it does take a genius…😉 But then, somehow trying to equate all of that with “masculinity”, is adorable, to say the least…Any other high brow nuggets of wisdom? 😉 Edited June 2 by JaCrispy 1 3
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