Gable Steveson update

[boyst]

38 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Impressed by your knowledge. Not many know that, or the difference between weightlifting and powerlifting. Those, as well as (real) wrestling, need to be televised more. Body building too.

Had me until bodybuilding. Thos cream puffs would pop with a needle ... Which is not literally true because so many of them do the needle.

 

I get the discipline of bodybuilding but it's different than weightlifting, Olympics or power.  In 6 months anyone who is in regular gym shape can get on a podium with diet and discipline following their routine. The body builders are also so generally unhealthy and the lowest of IQs of all gym rats. Even the bro lifters have more common sense. Body builders build until break their hand punching a wall drinking four loco and Red Bull listening to Disturbed while trying to figure out why women think they are friends with Dorothy.

 

In power it is about performing the 5-6 standard power lifts: DL, BS, Bench, squat, lat pulldowns, shoulder to overhead (because let's be honest: few people actually do it right to call it shoulder press). That's powerliftings base. Few train hard enough at incline bench, fewer use a landmine, even fewer still are brave enough to front squat. Powerlifters lift until their back goes out because they never work their core.

 

Oly lifters are meticulous weirdos who spend 2 hours a day to do 6 attempts at a ***** weight that they've improved 2kg on in last year. They have their lifters, their belts, their tripod, their online coach who watches their videos, member of some barbell club. Olympic lifters lift until they find yoga, men/women/family, pilates, and more.

 

Oly is my favorite but worst lifting. I'm a bro lifter who should have went strongman but found CrossFit and hate it but also runs and more but too old to do anything literally a broken down body but trying to get into hyrox.

[Sierra Foothills]

10 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

This is mind blowing to me. Idk why. I've got to look up who was the oldest athlete to participate on a D1 sports team. Oh and play in a game. Kind of a fun topic. 

 

"The oldest athlete to participate on a Division I (D1) sports team is believed to be Joe Thomas Sr., who played running back for South Carolina State in 2016 at the age of 55."

 

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=who+was+the+oldest+athlete+to+participate+on+a+D1+sports+team&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

 

[Goin Breakdown]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

"The oldest athlete to participate on a Division I (D1) sports team is believed to be Joe Thomas Sr., who played running back for South Carolina State in 2016 at the age of 55."

 

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=who+was+the+oldest+athlete+to+participate+on+a+D1+sports+team&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

 

This is just crazy!! I was reading up on some of this lastnight. Pretty cool though. 

[Gugny]

On 3/22/2025 at 10:24 PM, boyst said:

This may be the biggest upset in NCAA wrestling history. One of the top of all NCAA sports or American sports in general. Not even close to joking. Gable Stevenson is a bonafide top 10 wrestler of all time. He just won a gold medal. He was at his peak. He got beat by a lesser man. This and Dan Gables loss Larry Owing...HUGE. 

He’s in his 7th year of college. 
 

College wrestling has been ruined by this crap.  
 

The last time I watched college wrestling, I saw a 25-year-old dude from Cornell beat a 26-year-old from Oklahoma State. 
 

Garbage. 

[thenorthremembers]

19 hours ago, boyst said:

Every kid should wrestle at least two years. 

 

One of my favorite quotes is "hard work beats talent when talent wont work hard" and that's more true in wrestling than any other sport.  The weight classes help to equalize the sport in the way other sports dont.   Khabib Nurmagomedov use to talk a lot about taking his opponents to the "deep water" and youth-high school wrestling really does that without putting kids in real life or death situations.     

 

My youngest son had his first tournament in January.   The first two matches were miserable for my wife and I, because you could see in his eyes he was learning tough lessons.   But once he learned a bit about the "deep water" he got more comfortable in it and did very well in the tournament overall.    Long story short, I agree, the sport teaches kids a lot about resiliency and fortitude.  

 

Edited Monday at 01:24 PM by thenorthremembers

[boyst]

17 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

One of my favorite quotes is "hard work beats talent when talent wont work hard" and that's more true in wrestling than any other sport.  The weight classes help to equalize the sport in the way other sports dont.   Khabib Nurmagomedov use to talk a lot about taking his opponents to the "deep water" and youth-high school wrestling really does that without putting kids in real life or death situations.     

 

My youngest son had his first tournament in January.   The first two matches were miserable for my wife and I, because you could see in his eyes he was learning tough lessons.   But once he learned a bit about the "deep water" he got more comfortable in it and did very well in the tournament overall.    Long story short, I agree, the sport teaches kids a lot about resiliency and fortitude.  

 

For 6 minutes you're on your own. For 6 minutes you can't rely on anyone else but yourself. For each 2 minute period you have to be able to balance every ounce of strength you have with every ounce of patience you have. You must learn to master both anticipation and chaos. You learn the value of 3 seconds or just one misstep.

 

No sport teaches more than wrestling.

[Dan Darragh]

3 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

"The oldest athlete to participate on a Division I (D1) sports team is believed to be Joe Thomas Sr., who played running back for South Carolina State in 2016 at the age of 55."

 

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=who+was+the+oldest+athlete+to+participate+on+a+D1+sports+team&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

 

What about Brandon Weeden? He was like 72 when he got drafted.

 

 

56 minutes ago, Gugny said:

He’s in his 7th year of college. 
 

College wrestling has been ruined by this crap.  
 

The last time I watched college wrestling, I saw a 25-year-old dude from Cornell beat a 26-year-old from Oklahoma State. 
 

Garbage. 

 

Edited Monday at 01:53 PM by Dan Darragh

[BearNorth]

23 hours ago, wppete said:

Doesn’t make sense. All NCAA athletes that try the NFL and majority don’t make it cant return back to the NCAA. Probably made a special rule for this guy. 

They can, but in a different sport if they have eligibility remaining.  In this case, looks like the NCAA doesn't consider WWE a real sport.

[That's No Moon]

17 minutes ago, boyst said:

For 6 minutes you're on your own. For 6 minutes you can't rely on anyone else but yourself. For each 2 minute period you have to be able to balance every ounce of strength you have with every ounce of patience you have. You must learn to master both anticipation and chaos. You learn the value of 3 seconds or just one misstep.

 

No sport teaches more than wrestling.

I agree with a lot of that but it's unfortunate that it's a winter sport that comes immediately after football and the culture of weight cutting isn't great either.

 

As a mid sized, very strong, lineman, my kid is one of the ones they would want to beef up for football and then immediately try to cut down to wrestle at a lower weight class and also having two consecutive high contact/collision sports is not preferable.

 

As a result, indoor track wins. He throws, can stay the same weight (or grow) without getting crap for it and it gives the kid's body time to recover from the pounding it takes from August to November. 

4 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

They can, but in a different sport if they have eligibility remaining.  In this case, looks like the NCAA doesn't consider WWE a real sport.

It isnt. It's not even in the name and they don't even claim it to be a sport. It's entertainment. It's a show, not a sport.

[wppete]

16 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

They can, but in a different sport if they have eligibility remaining.  In this case, looks like the NCAA doesn't consider WWE a real sport.

It’s so idiotic and borderline corrupt. 

[Royale with Cheese]

17 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

They can, but in a different sport if they have eligibility remaining.  In this case, looks like the NCAA doesn't consider WWE a real sport.

 

Remember when Chris Weinke was a 29 year old starter at FSU?

[boyst]

57 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

I agree with a lot of that but it's unfortunate that it's a winter sport that comes immediately after football and the culture of weight cutting isn't great either.

 

As a mid sized, very strong, lineman, my kid is one of the ones they would want to beef up for football and then immediately try to cut down to wrestle at a lower weight class and also having two consecutive high contact/collision sports is not preferable.

 

As a result, indoor track wins. He throws, can stay the same weight (or grow) without getting crap for it and it gives the kid's body time to recover from the pounding it takes from August to November. 

It isnt. It's not even in the name and they don't even claim it to be a sport. It's entertainment. It's a show, not a sport.

I went 208-212 during football to 189 for wrestling to 180 for outdoor track. By the end of wrestling season id be sub 5% and couldn't put weight on. When I would stop running I'd lift and pack on 20 lbs. in 7-8 weeks. Maybe 15 of that lean mass.

[Royale with Cheese]

13 minutes ago, boyst said:

I went 208-212 during football to 189 for wrestling to 180 for outdoor track. By the end of wrestling season id be sub 5% and couldn't put weight on. When I would stop running I'd lift and pack on 20 lbs. in 7-8 weeks. Maybe 15 of that lean mass.

 

Gordon Ryan would mop the floor with Gable Stevenson in a submission grappling match.

[thenorthremembers]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

For 6 minutes you're on your own. For 6 minutes you can't rely on anyone else but yourself. For each 2 minute period you have to be able to balance every ounce of strength you have with every ounce of patience you have. You must learn to master both anticipation and chaos. You learn the value of 3 seconds or just one misstep.

 

No sport teaches more than wrestling.

 

Without question.   A lot of people laugh that McDermott is pulled towards wrestlers.   But it takes a different type of person.   

[streetkings01]

22 hours ago, boyst said:

Every kid should wrestle at least two years. 

I disagree…..wrestling ain’t for everybody. I live in Orange County NY…..right down the street from Minisink  where both Zack Ryder and PJ Duke used to wrestle for and both are now Penn State wrestlers. My nephew wrestles and earned a scholarship to Cortlandt…..he’s told me numerous times how much he hates wrestling,,but it’s helping him pay for college. My son who is currently a sophomore in high school did wrestling his freshman year based on being pressured by the wrestling coach who is also the football coach and he hated it! My son is a football and track kid….also does 7v7 for a travel team in the spring! No kid should be forced to do wrestling…..it ain’t for everyone and most of the kids that actually wrestle hate doing it!

[boyst]

7 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

I disagree…..wrestling ain’t for everybody. I live in Orange County NY…..right down the street from Minisink  where both Zack Ryder and PJ Duke used to wrestle for and both are now Penn State wrestlers. My nephew wrestles and earned a scholarship to Cortlandt…..he’s told me numerous times how much he hates wrestling,,but it’s helping him pay for college. My son who is currently a sophomore in high school did wrestling his freshman year based on being pressured by the wrestling coach who is also the football coach and he hated it! My son is a football and track kid….also does 7v7 for a travel team in the spring! No kid should be forced to do wrestling…..it ain’t for everyone and most of the kids that actually wrestle hate doing it!

Not my experience at all, whatsoever. 

[Royale with Cheese]

I think every teen needs to go through Hell Week on Coronado Beach.

[Ballhawk]

2 hours ago, boyst said:

For 6 minutes you're on your own. For 6 minutes you can't rely on anyone else but yourself. For each 2 minute period you have to be able to balance every ounce of strength you have with every ounce of patience you have. You must learn to master both anticipation and chaos. You learn the value of 3 seconds or just one misstep.

 

No sport teaches more than wrestling.

Hard to compare sport to sport, but I've been an amateur boxer for 10 years and have been coaching the past two. Interesting to hear the parallels, I honestly thought the "deep water" reference was primarily a boxing reference (we say you 'take you opponent out to deep water and drown them' to mean increase your punch rate and cardio until your opponent can no longer adequately defend themselves). 

 

Sounds like wrestling is similar to boxing, in that it teaches you to adapt and think on your feet when things go awry.  

Edited Monday at 04:24 PM by Ballhawk

[Simon]

22 minutes ago, boyst said:

Not my experience at all, whatsoever. 

 

I think most people that do it, like it. But it's definitely not for everybody.

I like contact sports and trading blows but for a variety of reasons I didn't like wrestling at all. 

[That's No Moon]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

I went 208-212 during football to 189 for wrestling to 180 for outdoor track. By the end of wrestling season id be sub 5% and couldn't put weight on. When I would stop running I'd lift and pack on 20 lbs. in 7-8 weeks. Maybe 15 of that lean mass.

And all of that is exactly what I'm trying to avoid with a 15 year old. He was 225 during freshman football. He's still roughly 225 now after throwing shot for indoor, and he's throwing shot for outdoor also. He's a leaner 225 than he was in the fall and he's significantly stronger. He's been able to lift all the way through and not have to cut weight for anything and he's had less wear and tear overall and no injuries. By the fall he will have at least another 10-15 on board and repeat the process. The goal of him being bigger next year than last year, not just churning the same 25 pounds back and forth season to season. The yo-yoing weight isnt good for you anyway, nor are all the things kids do to make weight.

 

You're also talking about a kid who was a state champion swimmer at age 12 who got fat shamed out of the sport by his coach (who is also his high school's coach) because he's not shaped like a traditional swimmer. Fast forward 2.5 years and he's not a chubby little kid anymore and if he were still in the pool he'd be slaughtering people. IMO he doesn't need another sport that's going to start off by immediately putting him on a scale and telling him to weigh less because that is exactly what would happen. Football is great for him and it's why he likes it. In his own words, "At swim I constantly got crap for being big, at football I get praised for it."