Dan Orlovsky: Bills offensive weapons are top five in the AFC, too many are sleeping on this team

[Pete]

1 minute ago, DapperCam said:

You obviously missed Nico Collins and Tank Dell last year. Big reason why Stroud had a great rookie season.

I am familiar with Texans roster.  I stand by my statement.  I will take Bills skill players.  

[BADOLBILZ]

7 hours ago, NewEra said:

I don’t believe we have a top 5 playmakers unit but I also don’t believe we have to have one to have a great offense.   
 

I like the group and I think it’s the deepest WR we’ve had since we’ve been here.  Basically meaning that the WR 4-6 this year  are the best under McD.  WR 1-3 is worse than every season in which Diggs played here but will be better than the units pre-Diggs 

 

Our RBs are top of the line. Both Cook and Davis have tremendous potential in the pass game.  Kincaid and Knox are one of the top TE duos in the league with Kincaid having untapped potential.  That’s already 4 very solid pass catchers.  All with above average to very good RAC ability.

Samuel, Shakir and Coleman all with very good RAC ability and adept at catching the ball.  Hollins and MVS can both play outside and excel as blockers in both the run and pass game (as does Coleman).  Claypool has some appeal too but I’m not counting on him.  Overall, I think we have a great group of pass catchers from 1-20 yards.  
 

It’s going to be all on Brady to scheme the 20+ passing game.  I think samuel, shakir and Kincaid have the ability to separate and make plays downfield within the scheme of the play.  Keon, MVS and Hollins more of downfield jump ball and scramble drill targets.  
 

We have guys that can make plays. It’s all on Brady and 17 imo.  I think we’ve seen teams with lesser groups of pass catchers win super bowls.  

 

 

You are speaking in a lot of offseason vaguery.

 

What is a "great offense"?   I'd say 29+ ppg is the floor for "great".   

 

And how do you calculate that this is the "deepest WR corps" they've had?    I think depth would be calculated by the sum of the value of each player.    So having a better WR5 and WR6 *could* be a thing this season..........but the most important WR by far are WR1 and WR2.     It's a lot like draft capital.   The first rounder and second rounders worth a mountain of day 3 picks.

 

And last season the Bills basically ran with just 5 WR.  There is value in lesser numbers with a higher average value.  

 

As I've said before,  during the drought there were lot's of years when the toughest cuts in camp were the 6th or 7th WR........"In aggregate" they still sucked because it's about quality not quantity.

 

 

 

 

[Einstein's Dog]

I don't like the idea of converting Josh to a pg.  In the NBA analogy you have the best PF and you are trying to make him a pg?

 

Josh is missing a high quality outside WR, how is this difficult for people to see.

[BADOLBILZ]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Collins, Diggs, Mixon, Dell, Schultz 

 

I’d easily take the Texans WRs over ours, but I prefer our TEs and RBs 

 

 

The individual quality of RB's is not particularly indicative of the quality of an offense.   WR and TE positions are.   In typical, deep-offseason thinking fans here are assigning an equal value to that unit.    

11 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Josh is missing a high quality outside WR, how is this difficult for people to see.

 

 

Offseason mindset.    The deeper we get into it, the more delusional fans get.    

 

 

[NewEra]

36 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You are speaking in a lot of offseason vaguery.

 

What is a "great offense"?   I'd say 29+ ppg is the floor for "great".   

 

And how do you calculate that this is the "deepest WR corps" they've had?    I think depth would be calculated by the sum of the value of each player.    So having a better WR5 and WR6 *could* be a thing this season..........but the most important WR by far are WR1 and WR2.     It's a lot like draft capital.   The first rounder and second rounders worth a mountain of day 3 picks.

 

And last season the Bills basically ran with just 5 WR.  There is value in lesser numbers with a higher average value.  

 

As I've said before,  during the drought there were lot's of years when the toughest cuts in camp were the 6th or 7th WR........"In aggregate" they still sucked because it's about quality not quantity.

 

 

 

 

Of course I speak of offseason vaguery.  I’m speculating about a group of players that we haven’t seen play together yet.  I’m giving my opinion about the future…. I find it hard to discuss specifics.  
 

Dallas was the only great offense last year.  Got it.  They weren’t even the best offense. 

 

I should’ve just said an offense capable of winning a Super Bowl knowing someone would nitpick.

 

i calculate “deepest” using my opinion on the WRs 4-6 in the past vs this years.  It’s not very difficult.  Rocket science 

 

 

 

[NewEra]

37 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The individual quality of RB's is not particularly indicative of the quality of an offense.   WR and TE positions are.   In typical, deep-offseason thinking fans here are assigning an equal value to that unit.    

 

 

Offseason mindset.    The deeper we get into it, the more delusional fans get.    

 

 

Yes, I realize this.  It wasn’t a contentious post.  Just giving my opinion on the units.  👍🏻 

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Of course I speak of offseason vaguery.  I’m speculating about a group of players that we haven’t seen play together yet.  I’m giving my opinion about the future…. I find it hard to discuss specifics.  
 

Dallas was the only great offense last year.  Got it.  They weren’t even the best offense. 

 

I should’ve just said an offense capable of winning a Super Bowl knowing someone would nitpick.

 

i calculate “deepest” using my opinion on the WRs 4-6 in the past vs this years.  It’s not very difficult.  Rocket science 

 

 

 

But that's kind of like calculating the deepest pool by measuring the width of the shallow end isn't it

 

Depth at the top of the roster is a lot more important than the guys who aren't going to be getting nearly as many reps

[BillsVet]

36 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Offseason mindset.    The deeper we get into it, the more delusional fans get.    

 

And the delusional ones, I suspect, are prepping for fantasy football and view RB's like Buddy and Chan did circa 2010.  Only half-kidding.  

 

The running game is the change-up to the fastball of passing the ball.  When mixed in, it's great taking something off to confuse hitters.  But if you have nothing but off-speed, they'll catch up quickly.  

 

Still think McD puts way too much stock in running it and throwing to the backs because it's safe to him.  Might work here and there like against the Cowboys and Jets last year.  But without the passing game they'll fall short when getting those chunk plays and scoring is needed.  

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

But that's kind of like calculating the deepest pool by measuring the width of the shallow end isn't it

 

Depth at the top of the roster is a lot more important than the guys who aren't going to be getting nearly as many reps

Deep = depth.  The depth is WR 4-6-  It’s simple.  Unless you have a different Interpretation of deep.  Which is fine, but it doesn’t change my interpretation or my answer.

[buffaloboyinATL]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Texans?  Diggs and Singletary?  I’m taking Bills skill positions over Houston

Singletary is on the Giants. 

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Deep = depth.  The depth is WR 4-6-  It’s simple.  Unless you have a different Interpretation of deep.  Which is fine, but it doesn’t change my interpretation or my answer.

Who would you say has the deeper WR corps, us or Minnesota?

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Who would you say has the deeper WR corps, us or Minnesota?

I think our 4-6 will be better than theirs based on the current rosters 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I think our 4-6 will be better than theirs based on the current rosters 

Ok🤙we have different definitions of depth is all

[NewEra]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Ok🤙we have different definitions of depth is all

I explained mine-  what’s yours?

[GoBills808]

Just now, NewEra said:

I explained mine-  what’s yours?

The whole room, w emphasis at the top because they're getting majority of the tick

 

I have almost zero expectations for hollins or claypool similarly as I did for harty or Sherfield last yr

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

The whole room, w emphasis at the top because they're getting majority of the tick

 

I have almost zero expectations for hollins or claypool similarly as I did for harty or Sherfield last yr

You’re talking about a better unit.  Not deeper.  But that’s fine, do you

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You’re talking about a better unit.  Not deeper.  But that’s fine, do you

Every team has a congregation of JAGS at the bottom of the depth chart, that's just the reality of filling a roster

 

The dolphins are probably claiming Berrios and River Cracraft are great depth...because they're behind Hill/Waddle/Beckham Jr

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Texans?  Diggs and Singletary?  I’m taking Bills skill positions over Houston

Singletary doesn’t even play for Texans.

 

Y’all are not beating the allegations this offseason

Edited May 25 by FireChans

[BADOLBILZ]

12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Every team has a congregation of JAGS at the bottom of the depth chart, that's just the reality of filling a roster

 

The dolphins are probably claiming Berrios and River Cracraft are great depth...because they're behind Hill/Waddle/Beckham Jr

 

 

Yeah c'mon @NewEra .......better reserves alone does not equal a deeper WR corps. 

 

Sure you replaced your 11 catch Trent Sherfield with an 18 catch Mack Hollins..........and your 15 catch Harty with a 21 catch MVS.      

 

But how much do these 1-a-game kinda' catch guys move the needle and make the offense "great"? 

 

 

 

 

 

[GoBills808]

31 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah c'mon @NewEra .......better reserves alone does not equal a deeper WR corps. 

 

Sure you replaced your 11 catch Trent Sherfield with an 18 catch Mack Hollins..........and your 15 catch Harty with a 21 catch MVS.      

 

But how much do these 1-a-game kinda' catch guys move the needle and make the offense "great"? 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah my definition of depth isn't how many JAG wideouts you can accumulate, it's how far you can push them down the depth chart