BillsFanNC Posted February 19 Author Posted February 19 2 hours ago, Motorin' said: His evidence is "because virologists say so," including the virologists implicated in gain of function research at Wuhan. And some of those very same virologists, in their private communications, stated that the lab origin theory was indeed very likely while authoring papers that said the opposite. Integrity and credibility. Reliable even! 1 1 1
JFKjr Posted February 19 Posted February 19 They engineered the bird flu virus also. Not that the flocks are dropping dead. they're being culled based on (once again) flawed PCR tests. 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 19 Posted February 19 5 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: It's easy to get scientists to publicly reject the lab origin conclusion when they're handsomely compensated to believe something else while making it quite clear that expressing an opinion supporting the lab origin theory can result in both personal consequences. 3
BillsFanNC Posted March 16 Author Posted March 16 If in 2025 you still consider the proximal origin theory as irrefutable and a lab leak as a conspiracy theory, then your views about any other issue under the sun is meaningless to me, and should be to the rest of rational humanity as well. 1 1
IrishLass Posted March 17 Posted March 17 Unfortunately it seems clear that the Covid virus was CREATED, with the help of U.S. funding, to be more dangerous virus via gain-of-function research. (Muh, so we know how to react in case a pandemic 'comes along!') The two remaining unanswered questions (for me) are the following: 1. Was the "lab leak" accidental, or on purpose? 2. Was the vaccine intended as a (misguided) remedy, or was it a bioweapon? Both questions go to the matter of intent. 1
B-Man Posted March 18 Posted March 18 They Knew. They All Knew. By John Hinderaker It is now just about universally acknowledged that the covid-19 virus escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, where gain of function research was being conducted with the support of the U.S. government. This was vociferously denied for years by Western governments, apparently because they were afraid to cross the Chinese Communist Party. But it came out a few days ago that Germany knew all along that covid-19 was a lab leak. Now, it’s the U.K.: So basically, everyone in power knew all along that the Chinese Communist Party was responsible for the covid-19 epidemic, perhaps with an assist from Anthony Fauci’s NAIA, which funded gain of function research in Wuhan, despite Fauci’s later, desperate denials. So whoever believed government assurances about the genesis of covid in 2020 and thereafter was a sucker. This goes, too, for those who believed government claims that it was unsafe to gather in public (unless you were a George Floyd protester), that masks would prevent covid from spreading, that it wouldn’t hurt to shut down schools, businesses and churches, that vaccination would prevent you from getting or spreading the disease, and so on. Democrats wonder: why doesn’t anyone trust the government anymore? It is because our government has lied persistently across a broad range of issues, and has now been found out. When you lie, and are caught lying, people don’t tend to trust you. This apparently comes as a surprise to the Democratic Party. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/03/they-knew-they-all-knew.php 1
BillsFanNC Posted March 18 Author Posted March 18 Leftists are very quiet of late on the story of the century. I wonder why? 1
Doc Posted March 18 Posted March 18 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said: Leftists are very quiet of late on the story of the century. I wonder why? Because it means Trump was right or because it implicates Fauci? Yes.
JFKjr Posted March 18 Posted March 18 Sure it makes the Chinese look bad for letting it escape, but WE HELPED FUND IT. Because it was illegal to fund it over here in this country because such research is too dangerous! You'd think that would make people pretty "upset!" After all, hundreds of thousands DIED. Many people died alone, weddings were canceled, schooling lost, educational setbacks, businesses closed to never reopen. I don't see the outrage, though, except in isolated places. OUR GOVERNMENT DID THIS TO US. By funding "gain of function research" that was illegal to perform in the States, so got pushed overseas. (would love to see what's being funded in Ukraine's biolabs) We need more answers from Fauci. 1
Doc Posted March 18 Posted March 18 23 hours ago, IrishLass said: Unfortunately it seems clear that the Covid virus was CREATED, with the help of U.S. funding, to be more dangerous virus via gain-of-function research. (Muh, so we know how to react in case a pandemic 'comes along!') The two remaining unanswered questions (for me) are the following: 1. Was the "lab leak" accidental, or on purpose? 2. Was the vaccine intended as a (misguided) remedy, or was it a bioweapon? Both questions go to the matter of intent. Ever since I found out that the virus was likely engineered, I’ve been saying that they did it so that they can kill off their sick/aging population in about 10 years when they can’t support them after the 1 child policy comes home to roost and use a “natural origin” as the excuse. But I don’t think it was intentional 5 years ago. As for the bolded, that was always a stupid reason to create a virus. Look how poorly they do every year with the flu vaccines.
Niagara Bill Posted March 18 Posted March 18 25 minutes ago, JFKjr said: Sure it makes the Chinese look bad for letting it escape, but WE HELPED FUND IT. Because it was illegal to fund it over here in this country because such research is too dangerous! You'd think that would make people pretty "upset!" After all, hundreds of thousands DIED. Many people died alone, weddings were canceled, schooling lost, educational setbacks, businesses closed to never reopen. I don't see the outrage, though, except in isolated places. OUR GOVERNMENT DID THIS TO US. By funding "gain of function research" that was illegal to perform in the States, so got pushed overseas. (would love to see what's being funded in Ukraine's biolabs) We need more answers from Fauci. Ukraine? They are not a biochemical country, just trumps patsy. How about North Korea, Russia...all trumps buddies. Strange that JFK JR wanted no vaccine to try and help, or masks. Maybe US pharma companies started this to make money or the bleach producers. Which president helped fund Chinese labs when this happened. Fauci may have some answers but I would look closer to the CIA..
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 18 Posted March 18 16 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Ukraine? They are not a biochemical country, just trumps patsy. How about North Korea, Russia...all trumps buddies. Strange that JFK JR wanted no vaccine to try and help, or masks. Maybe US pharma companies started this to make money or the bleach producers. Which president helped fund Chinese labs when this happened. Fauci may have some answers but I would look closer to the CIA.. There's a lot to unpack here. It's been reported the CIA runs a series of biolabs located in Ukraine. What Russia and other adversaries are doing is monitored by intelligence services. The vaccine isn't that effective and the virus mutations render previous formulations less effective. A vaccine is supposed to produce an immune response. They changed the messaging to providing "protection". Obama outlawed this type of GOF research in the US. NIH and other agencies most likely, contracted out the work to China. Secretly it seems without any oversight. Likely behind Obama's back. So rather than punish the perp Fauci gets a pardon for complicity on the deaths of millions.
JFKjr Posted March 18 Posted March 18 I doubt Obama, Trump or Biden knew anything about the funding directed overseas for research that was prohibited in the U.S. It seems they hid the true nature of what was going on with some fancy paperwork. Fauci seems directly involved though. I wouldn't necessarily trust Birx either, she seems shady.
BillsFanNC Posted March 21 Author Posted March 21 🎯 Contact with a virus having the transmission characteristics of the outbreak virus while performing field collection with no or inadequate PPE, or while performing lab characterization at BSL-2, would be highly likely--indeed almost certain--to result in accidental infection. Looking at the zoomed in picture of the BSL-2 lab bench I'd have a few questions beyond it just being a pigsty. 1. The coffee mug. That would result in serious ramifications, if not immediate firing, in any lab I ever worked in dealing with live pathogens. 2. The micropipets sitting horizontal on the bench and not in a vertical rack where they belong. A great way to get them all out of calibration quickly. 3. The T-25 flasks out on the bench and not in an incubator, laminar flow hood or biohazard waste container. 1
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