Mack Hollins in the Locker Room

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, sunshynman said:

But at least he’s not like the FA receivers from last year that I hated to ever seeing in the lineup. 

There’s damning with faint praise then there’s, “he’s better than literal garbage vet minimum Trent Sherfield” lol

 

Mack is currently 181st in the NFL in yards. Feels about right where he is as a player.

[Rocky Landing]

16 minutes ago, FireChans said:

There’s damning with faint praise then there’s, “he’s better than literal garbage vet minimum Trent Sherfield” lol

 

Mack is currently 181st in the NFL in yards. Feels about right where he is as a player.

You're just flat-out ignoring what Hollins' role, and value is on this offense, and team. As long as you've been posting on this forum, I have a hard time believing you're not capable of seeing it. So, your take seems pretty odd to me.

[Saxum]

Just now, Rocky Landing said:

You're just flat-out ignoring what Hollins' role, and value is on this offense, and team. As long as you've been posting on this forum, I have a hard time believing you're not capable of seeing it. So, your take seems pretty odd to me.

 

No it is completely in character based on previous posts.

[FireChans]

39 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

You're just flat-out ignoring what Hollins' role, and value is on this offense, and team. As long as you've been posting on this forum, I have a hard time believing you're not capable of seeing it. So, your take seems pretty odd to me.

His role is playing blocker on run downs, core STer, and being functionally one of the worst WR’s in the NFL when it comes to snaps and production in the passing game.

 

I understand his role very well. I understand niche value. What I dispute is HOW valuable is niche value.

 

What I do know is that I argued, hard, that Gabe Davis wasn’t good enough to be the clear cut #2 on this roster. Despite his value add as a blocker and 10x the receiver Hollins is. I was right. 
 

What I do know is that I argued, hard, that the boundary WR’s were a disaster this offseason. I argued that Mack Hollins would start on the boundary and not be good enough, despite his value add as a blocker. Of course, I was right, the GM agreed by like week 5 and made one of the more expensive trades midseason to supplant him. 
 

So no. I totally get he’s a nice blocker and STer and you can argue has earned a role on this roster. What you can’t argue is that he deserves the second most snaps at WR this season. We know he doesn’t, the GM has already told us so.

Edited 17 hours ago by FireChans

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

There’s damning with faint praise then there’s, “he’s better than literal garbage vet minimum Trent Sherfield” lol

 

Mack is currently 181st in the NFL in yards. Feels about right where he is as a player.

 

He's also has 3 receiving TDs which ties him with a bunch of others at 27th.

 

Josh Allen knows what he brings and I'm positive he feels better about Mack than you do.

[FireChans]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

He's also has 3 receiving TDs which ties him with a bunch of others at 27th.

 

Josh Allen knows what he brings and I'm positive he feels better about Mack than you do.

Josh Allen also thought Ken Dorsey was the best man for the OC job 

[Rocky Landing]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

His role is playing blocker on run downs, core STer, and being functionally one of the worst WR’s in the NFL when it comes to snaps and production in the passing game.

 

I understand his role very well. I understand niche value. What I dispute is HOW valuable is niche value.

 

What I do know is that I argued, hard, that Gabe Davis wasn’t good enough to be the clear cut #2 on this roster. Despite his value add as a blocker and 10x the receiver Hollins is. I was right. 
 

What I do know is that I argued, hard, that the boundary WR’s were a disaster this offseason. I argued that Mack Hollins would start on the boundary and not be good enough, despite his value add as a blocker. Of course, I was right, the GM agreed by like week 5 and made one of the more expensive trades midseason to supplant him. 
 

So no. I totally get he’s a nice blocker and STer and you can argue has earned a role on this roster. What you can’t argue is that he deserves the second most snaps at WR this season. We know he doesn’t, the GM has already told us so.

If you believe that garnering the second most snaps at his position, but not getting the second most targets equates to him not executing his role, then I don't think you understand Hollins' role in this offense. And to suggest that Beane acquired Cooper because of Hollins' "lack of production," is a looooong stretch.

 

P.S. Guess whose snap count really fell after they acquired Cooper? [hint: it's the guy they immediately got rid of.]

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Rocky Landing

[Pete]

7 hours ago, FireChans said:

 

 

What I do know is that I argued, hard, that Gabe Davis wasn’t good enough to be the clear cut #2 on this roster. Despite his value add as a blocker and 10x the receiver Hollins is. 

LMAO this is so wrong.  You think Gabe is 10x the WR Hollins is?  Lmao 

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, Saxum said:

 

No it is completely in character based on previous posts.

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, FireChans said:

His role is playing blocker on run downs, core STer, and being functionally one of the worst WR’s in the NFL when it comes to snaps and production in the passing game.

 

I understand his role very well. I understand niche value. What I dispute is HOW valuable is niche value.

 

What I do know is that I argued, hard, that Gabe Davis wasn’t good enough to be the clear cut #2 on this roster. Despite his value add as a blocker and 10x the receiver Hollins is. I was right. 
 

What I do know is that I argued, hard, that the boundary WR’s were a disaster this offseason. I argued that Mack Hollins would start on the boundary and not be good enough, despite his value add as a blocker. Of course, I was right, the GM agreed by like week 5 and made one of the more expensive trades midseason to supplant him. 
 

So no. I totally get he’s a nice blocker and STer and you can argue has earned a role on this roster. What you can’t argue is that he deserves the second most snaps at WR this season. We know he doesn’t, the GM has already told us so.

We’re saying that he’s a solid contributor, great locker room presence and most importantly- worth his 3M contract that so many people love to cry about.  
 

you failed to mention his blocking ability on pass downs- because he’s been equally as effective blocking downfield for Shakir and the yac crew as he has been in the run game.  
 

you’re clearly just a hater trying to justify your previous poor take.  You can put whatever kind of dressing you want on it.  It still tastes like 💩 

 

No one is saying he’s some great player.  We’re saying that you are wrong about holing being an F- WR and that your thread sucks.

 

[Pete]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

We’re saying that he’s a solid contributor, great locker room presence and most importantly- worth his 3M contract that so many people love to cry about.  
 

you failed to mention his blocking ability on pass downs- because he’s been equally as effective blocking downfield for Shakir and the yac crew as he has been in the run game.  
 

you’re clearly just a hater trying to justify your previous poor take.  You can put whatever kind of dressing you want on it.  It still tastes like 💩 

 

No one is saying he’s some great player.  We’re saying that you are wrong about holing being an F- WR and that your thread sucks.

 

Hollins is a great #4 WR.  Due to injuries, Mack is on field often.  
 

Samuel -Coleman- Shakir - Hollins is 4. That was the plan, but Samuel cannot get healthy.

 

Cooper-Coleman-Shakir-Hollins.  Again, Mack is #4, but Cooper can stay on field.

 

Mack has stepped up admirably imo.  He caught the only two passes to set up Bass 61 yard winning FG.  Mack has had clutch TDs, brilliant special teams, brings a nastiness attitude, awesome blocks, and me makes plays that make bigger plays(smooth pick, blocking 2 opponents same time, gets spacing right, etc)

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Pete said:

Hollins is a great #4 WR.  Due to injuries, Mack is on field often.  
 

Samuel -Coleman- Shakir - Hollins is 4. That was the plan, but Samuel cannot get healthy.

 

Cooper-Coleman-Shakir-Hollins.  Again, Mack is #4, but Cooper can stay on field.

 

Mack has stepped up admirably imo.  He caught the only two passes to set up Bass 61 yard winning FG.  Mack has had clutch TDs, brilliant special teams, brings a nastiness attitude, awesome blocks, and me makes plays that make bigger plays(smooth pick, blocking 2 opponents same time, gets spacing right, etc)

 

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

We’re saying that he’s a solid contributor, great locker room presence and most importantly- worth his 3M contract that so many people love to cry about.  
 

you failed to mention his blocking ability on pass downs- because he’s been equally as effective blocking downfield for Shakir and the yac crew as he has been in the run game.  
 

you’re clearly just a hater trying to justify your previous poor take.  You can put whatever kind of dressing you want on it.  It still tastes like 💩 

 

No one is saying he’s some great player.  We’re saying that you are wrong about holing being an F- WR and that your thread sucks.

 

Lmao this “victory lap” is gonna feel so sour when Mack is alligator arming passes in the AFCCG, and of course you’ll cry when I bring it up about how I hate the Bills or some other nonsense. 

[FireChans]

8 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

If you believe that garnering the second most snaps at his position, but not getting the second most targets equates to him not executing his role, then I don't think you understand Hollins' role in this offense. And to suggest that Beane acquired Cooper because of Hollins' "lack of production," is a looooong stretch.

 

P.S. Guess whose snap count really fell after they acquired Cooper? [hint: it's the guy they immediately got rid of.]

 

I mean, the only game where Josh HAD to throw to Mack, Josh had one of the worst games of his career and Amari was a Bill a week later.

 

this circular logic is bizarre. You don’t understand Mack’s role in the offense is 100% based on his ability in this offense.

 

If Mack was a better WR, would he have better production playing #2 WR snaps? Of course he would. But he’s out there blocking and not touching the football BECAUSE HE SUCKS AT IT.

 

You think it’s a coincidence that Mack makes minimal impact on the stat sheet. It’s just “because of his role.” His role is what it is because it’s ALL THAT HE CAN DO. 
 

It’s Reggie Gilliam getting 60% plus of snaps.

[TBBills Fan]

I have a mack hollins question

 

What if you want to eat pasta, or lasagna?

 

I mean some foods you just need a fork for

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

11 hours ago, FireChans said:

There’s damning with faint praise then there’s, “he’s better than literal garbage vet minimum Trent Sherfield” lol

 

Mack is currently 181st in the NFL in yards. Feels about right where he is as a player.

 

3 TDs is kinda nice though.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

38 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I mean, the only game where Josh HAD to throw to Mack, Josh had one of the worst games of his career and Amari was a Bill a week later.

 

this circular logic is bizarre. You don’t understand Mack’s role in the offense is 100% based on his ability in this offense.

 

If Mack was a better WR, would he have better production playing #2 WR snaps? Of course he would. But he’s out there blocking and not touching the football BECAUSE HE SUCKS AT IT.

 

You think it’s a coincidence that Mack makes minimal impact on the stat sheet. It’s just “because of his role.” His role is what it is because it’s ALL THAT HE CAN DO. 
 

It’s Reggie Gilliam getting 60% plus of snaps.

 

I think he's fine with the ball in his hand.  But he isn't athletic enough to get the ball down the field, and i'd rather throw short passes to players like shakir and coleman who are more dynamic - which also allows him to block which is pretty much the one plus attribute he has. 

 

Definitely limited, and definitely going to struggle with man coverage but every team has guys like this.  We just happen to start ours and play him more often - which i think is by design with how much we run and execute quick boundary throws.  After adding cooper i dont think they have designs on using him as frequently, but Injuries force teams to make adjustments.  

[FireChans]

42 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I think he's fine with the ball in his hand.  But he isn't athletic enough to get the ball down the field, and i'd rather throw short passes to players like shakir and coleman who are more dynamic - which also allows him to block which is pretty much the one plus attribute he has. 

 

Definitely limited, and definitely going to struggle with man coverage but every team has guys like this.  We just happen to start ours and play him more often - which i think is by design with how much we run and execute quick boundary throws.  After adding cooper i dont think they have designs on using him as frequently, but Injuries force teams to make adjustments.  

And we are back to what I originally said. By design or not, he doesn’t produce in the passing game because he can’t. If we threw him the ball 10 times, like we did vs Houston, he would stink.

 

There’s other guys of his similar level on lots of teams. None of them play more than Mack and underproduce him.

15 hours ago, FireChans said:

He has played 350 snaps and has 111 yards and a paltry 4.2 YPT.

 

I’m pretty confident that may be the worst yardage total by any WR in the NFL with > 350 snaps.

 

So sure. He’s a good blocker. He may be the most useless actual receiver in the NFL. 

 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Lmao this “victory lap” is gonna feel so sour when Mack is alligator arming passes in the AFCCG, and of course you’ll cry when I bring it up about how I hate the Bills or some other nonsense. 

I don’t think you hate the Bills.  
 

It’s not a victory lap-  I made a comment about how those that compared him to Trent Sheffield were wrong.  You decided to chime in because you can’t control yourself.  

[Rocky Landing]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

I mean, the only game where Josh HAD to throw to Mack, Josh had one of the worst games of his career and Amari was a Bill a week later.

 

this circular logic is bizarre. You don’t understand Mack’s role in the offense is 100% based on his ability in this offense.

 

If Mack was a better WR, would he have better production playing #2 WR snaps? Of course he would. But he’s out there blocking and not touching the football BECAUSE HE SUCKS AT IT.

 

You think it’s a coincidence that Mack makes minimal impact on the stat sheet. It’s just “because of his role.” His role is what it is because it’s ALL THAT HE CAN DO. 
 

It’s Reggie Gilliam getting 60% plus of snaps.

Your reasoning is so selective. "only game where Josh HAD to throw to Mack..." Josh Allen throws to eight to ten guys every game. "Josh had one of the worst games of his career and Amari was a Bill a week later." After which they immediately cut... MVS. I'm not even sure what your point is. Do you think I'm arguing that Mack Hollins is a #2 WR? I'm not. He's a #4, role player, and valuable as such.