Should the Bills add an Edge after 6/1?

[nedboy7]

For what its worth PFF has AJ graded with a 80.3.   That is solid. 

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Javon Solomon is going to be a force as a rookie IMO 

let us pray.

I mean gosh , I sure hope so

Otherwise , Bills need an worthwhile edge defender . It Is a need now. Can they do much about this matter, ? perhaps not enough 

[Robert Paulson]

4 hours ago, Yantha said:

No, roll that money into safety depth.

Don't give McDermott any more ideas. He is itching to grab another safety and corner as it is. 

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

Solomon could absolutely contribute this year. He has a knack of getting to the passer despite some limitations in terms of length.

 

WR and edge are different types of needs. The problem at WR is that you’re missing the top of the depth chart. You don’t have a number 1 and may not have a number 2. Your 3-10 would stack up against any team in the league. If Shakir, Coleman, Samuel, MVS, Hollins, etc… had 2 guys above them (or at least 1 alpha) they would be fine. 
 

DE is a little thin but have a clear top. Toohill had 6.5 sacks last year (at least I think). Solomon led college football in sacks. It isn’t great but it’s a serviceable room. They too are missing an alpha (unless Von returns to form) but they’ll manage to get some pressure as they did last year. The Bills were 4th in sacks last year with zero from Von. They lose Floyd but gain Toohill, Solomon and a healthier Von.

I will hold you to this , of course !

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Edited May 17 by 3rdand12

[Cubanmist 1]

No, I’d rather them get a CB.

5 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said:

Don't give McDermott any more ideas. He is itching to grab another safety and corner as it is. 

No need for a safety. Hyde will come back if Bills reach the playoffs.

2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

I will hold you to this , of course !

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I’d say, Bills need depth at CB and WR. Need to be able to match up against Miami’s quick receiver Corp. And, Allen needs a WR that “Is” a true number 1.

[3rdand12]

4 minutes ago, Cubanmist 1 said:

No, I’d rather them get a CB.

No need for a safety. Hyde will come back if Bills reach the playoffs.

I’d say, Bills need depth at CB and WR. Need to be able to match up against Miami’s quick receiver Corp. And, Allen needs a WR that “Is” a true number 1.

So thats 3 real needs we have defined here.
We arent getting a Named WR cuz monies

Arent getting a DE  for same

But Bills might have to add CBs

Agree about Hyde

 He will become a Bill at some point., If he is even talking just about it

 

[Kirby Jackson]

18 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

I will hold you to this , of course !

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I’ll own it. Guys that can get to the passer, can get to the passer. I’ll set an o/u of 4.5 sacks for him. 

[HOUSE]

The Bills are broke

[BillsFanForever19]

Drafting Javon Solomon and signing Dawuane Smoot to some guaranteed money Post Draft, after re-signing AJ Epenesa and signing Casey Toohill - I don't see it. 

 

We lost two guys and brought in 3 already, after retaining Epenesa. I don't see us keeping more than 5 DE's. Groot, Miller, and Epenesa (who got a pay raise, denoting a larger role) are 100% safe.

 

Floyd was only brought in bc of Von being in the shape he was last season. With Miller having a full year and a full offseason away from the injury and Epenesa having taken a step forward (and being paid for it) - they feel they've got the side opposite Groot covered.

 

I don't see Solomon getting cut where he was Drafted (and he was underdrafted where we took him). And I don't see Smoot being cut either, as his 2.5m contract with 1.75m guaranteed (with a void year added) is more than we usually pay for the 4th or 5th DE - so there's your 5. Smoot and Solomon will replace Epenesa and Shaq's roles last year. As it is, guys like Toohill and Jonathan are on the outside looking in.

 

The one spot I see us adding to is Cornerback. Douglas replaced White and Hardy replaces Neal. But we've done nothing to replace Dane Jackson on the Outside. And with Benford being hurt a lot and Elam still a massive question mark, I don't see us rolling with just Ja'Marcus Ingram or a UDFA beyond them to replace Dane's spot on the 53.

Edited May 17 by BillsFanForever19

[BigAl2526]

Beane is not going to spend big bucks, and the guys who fit his budget are not going to make much difference.  Solomon is going to get a chance to contribute as a pass rusher, as will Toohill.

[BillsFanForever19]

3 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

Beane is not going to spend big bucks, and the guys who fit his budget are not going to make much difference.  Solomon is going to get a chance to contribute as a pass rusher, as will Toohill.

 

It won't be Toohill, it will be Smoot.

 

I feel like most people on this board didn't notice his signing, as it came at the same time as Chase Claypool and Deion Jones.

 

He's a much more productive and solid player than Toohill and signed for more money, including some guaranteed money (as opposed to Toohill) and a void year added.

[AmishRifle]

Couldn’t the kick off rule change free up some special teams spots in order to carry extra D-line?  

[billybrew1]

7 hours ago, DJB said:

Yes  if it’s financially feasible.

 

DE is our weakest position on the team as it stands. Von looked like a shell of himself and Roussea or anyone else hasn’t stepped up in the pass rush department.

 

If it makes sense I think Beane will do it 

CB is our weakest spot right now…. Arguably no one on the outside after Elam. Benford is no solid oak there. Douglas is old and Elam is still a big question mark. We need a fourth outside corner and we need one bad.

[DJB]

43 minutes ago, billybrew1 said:

CB is our weakest spot right now…. Arguably no one on the outside after Elam. Benford is no solid oak there. Douglas is old and Elam is still a big question mark. We need a fourth outside corner and we need one bad.

I disagree. We had zero pass rush last year and we did almost nothing to improve it. 
 

Douglas was our best corner once he arrived and Benford is solid. We lack depth but to me DE is a much more concerning question mark. 

[buffblue]

8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

The Bills showed interest in Emmanuel Ogbah in a previous off-season and early in this one if I recall.

 

Calais Campbell would be a quality add.  Ngakoue as well
 

 

Yes to Ogbah.

 

I respect Calais Campbell but he's old as dirt and we need another pure defensive end pass rusher. Ngakoue is kinda like Jadaveon Clowney to me. Big name guy who's overrated and finds himself on a different team every year.

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[MasterStrategist]

8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

The Bills showed interest in Emmanuel Ogbah in a previous off-season and early in this one if I recall.

 

Calais Campbell would be a quality add.  Ngakoue as well
 

 

I thought Ogbah until after the draft and Smoot signing.

 

Locks: Groot, Von, AJE

 

Young/potential still untapped: Solomon, Kingsley (to an extent young/developing)

 

Vets/decent fallback options: Toohill, Smoot

 

I think we keep 1 young and 1 vet on the 53.  Likely try sneak the 1-2 cuts onto P/S.

 

Solomon and Smoot would be my guess on who we keep, if Smoot shows more progress from his achilles.  And Solomon if he show S/T ability, and some juice on edge.

 

It would be a well rounded group, as Solomon isn't offering much in run defense.

 

Bottom line, I don't see room for an Ogbah or bigger signing at this point.  Unless Smoot, Toohill, and a young guy all look like crap in training camp.

 

Beane doesn't have to spend that 6/1 $s immediately, he might see if a surprise cut is made (DE or other position) or hold onto $s for a potential mid season trade.  Worse case he rolls over to 2025.

 

[RyanC883]

Campbell had 7 sacks last year.  I'd try for a 1 year deal with him.  He might want to play for a contender.  

[RyanC883]

8 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

I have two areas of great concern for me in 2024 with that first place schedule. A pass rusher is #1 after losing Leonard Floyd for sure. The primary concern is getting to the QB to disrupt the opponent's offense.

 

I keep going back to that Chiefs-Buccaneers Super Bowl game while watching Mahomes running for his life all game long. What a joy to watch...even if it was Brady as the winning QB!

 

The next area is center as that player usually calls for the offensive protections and is the key to how well that interior performs. The Chiefs drafted Creed Humphrey who has become the very best center in the league while that Chiefs interior doesn't allow anyone close to the QB despite their crappy tackles. 

 

Buffalo's center position is a great concern because no matter how well the Buffalo receivers play...it won't matter if Allen can't get them the ball. I realize the Bills have a plan to replace Mitch Morse. I just don't see it yet. 

 

the center from Georgia in the draft is another steal.  He will start this year and do really well.  He'd be the top center in most drafts, IMO.  He allowed 0 sacks and only 1 hit total the last two years.  

[BigAl2526]

6 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

It won't be Toohill, it will be Smoot.

 

I feel like most people on this board didn't notice his signing, as it came at the same time as Chase Claypool and Deion Jones.

 

He's a much more productive and solid player than Toohill and signed for more money, including some guaranteed money (as opposed to Toohill) and a void year added.

I can see that.  Smoot is more of a well rounded player than Toohill, who's been pretty much a pass rush specialist who is a liability in run defense.  There is a good chance Solomon will turn out to be much the same, a pass rush specialist who struggles in run defense.  Buffalo will not likely want two guys who are so similar.  Smoot gives them a very different player.  

[BillsFanForever19]

6 hours ago, billybrew1 said:

CB is our weakest spot right now…. Arguably no one on the outside after Elam. Benford is no solid oak there. Douglas is old and Elam is still a big question mark. We need a fourth outside corner and we need one bad.

 

Agreed. This is the only spot I look at on the roster that I see Beane addressing. As I said before, Douglas replaced White and Hardy replaced Neal - but there was no replacement signed or Drafted that replaces Dane Jackson.

 

Benford ability wise and performance wise *is* a solid oak and gets better each year. The issue is he gets injured fairly often. And beyond Benford and Douglas - it's just Elam and then Practice Squad and UDFA players. 

 

There is quite a number of decent CB's still available. I don't see us paying big for a guy like Xavien Howard, J.C. Jackson, or Stephen Gilmore - but a guy like Steven Nelson makes sense.