WR Candidates - Who Does Beane Keep?

[Kaenon]

It will be interesting no doubt!

May the best men win.

[GunnerBill]

19 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Justin shorter sat a season as a 5th rounder. I don't think teams are lining up to poach him. 

 

I assume they want at least one vet in the bottom 3. I'd have to assume MVS fits that bill. Hollins plays special teams, but so does a player like shavers who also has the advantage of having played here for a season. 

 

No but I think he is more likely to be poached that a Hamler or a Isabella who the league has kind of taken its view on. That is my point. Equally it isn't just a WR for WR equation. Tylan Grable might be our 10th OL, but he is more likely to get poached than Hamler or Isabella. If they think none of the candidates for WR6 are waiver risks then they could keep a 5 and keep an extra lineman for example. 

[H2o]

5 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Shakir, Samuel, and Coleman have guaranteed roster spots.  So which strand(s) of spaghetti stick to wall (make the roster)? Will the Bills keep 2 or 3 of the strands?  

 

1. Mack Hollins - 1 year $2,600,000 (cap hit 2.48 - Dead Cap -$1.1)

6'4" 221, age 30, 4th rd pikc (118th Philly) in 2017 out of UNC

40 - 4.53, 10 - 1.59

Career - 95 games, 27 starts, 222 Tgt, 131 Rec, 1691 yards, 12.9 yards/c, 59% reception %

Best - 2022 - 17g, 16 starts 94 Tgt, 57 Rec, 690 yards, 12.1 yards/c, 60.6% reception  %

 

2. Marquez Valdes-Scantling - 1 year $1,125,000 (cap hit 1.125 - Dead Cap -$TBD)

6'4" 206, age 29, 5th rd pick (174th) in 2018 out of S Florida.

40 - 4.37, 10 - 1.49

Career - 92 games, 60 starts, 370 Tgt, 186 Rec, 3155 yards, 17 yards/c, 50.3% reception %

Best - 2020 - 16g, 12 starts 63 Tgt, 33 Rec, 690 yards, 20.9 yards/c, 52.4% reception %

 

3. Chase Claypool - 1 year $1,135,000 (cap hit 1.085 - Dead Cap -$25K)

6'4" 238, age 25, 2nd rd pick (49th, Pitt) in 2020 out of ND.

40 - 4.42, 10 - 1.52

Career - 58 games, 32 starts, 314 Tgt, 175 Rec, 2261 yards, 12.9 yards/c, 55.7% reception %

Best - 2020 - 16g, 6 starts 109 Tgt, 62 Rec, 873 yards, 14.1 yards/c, 56.9% reception %

 

4. KJ Hamler - 1 year $1,055,000 (cap hit 1.055 - Dead Cap -0)

5'9" 178, age 24, 2nd rd pick (46th, Den) in 2020 out of Penn St.

40 - 4.36, 

Career - 23 games, 6 starts, 80 Tgt, 42 Rec, 620 yards, 14.8 yards/c, 52.5% reception %

Best - 2020 - 13g, 4 starts 56 Tgt, 30 Rec, 381 yards, 12.7 yards/c, 53.6% reception %

 

5. Quintez Cephus - 1 year $1,055,000 (cap hit $1.055 - Dead Cap -8K)

6'1" 208, age 26, 5th rd pick (166th, Det) in 2020 out of Wisconsin.

40 - 4.73, 10 - 1.59

Career - 22 games, 6 starts, 60 Tgt, 37 Rec, 568 yards, 15.4 yards/c, 61.7% reception %

Best - 2020 - 13g, 2 starts 35 Tgt, 20 Rec, 349 yards, 17.5 yards/c, 61.8% reception %

 

6. Andy Isabella - 1 year $1,133,000 (cap hit 993K - Dead Cap -8K)

5'9" 188, age 27, 2nd rd pick (62nd, AZ) in 2019 out of U Mass.

40 - 4.31, 10 - 1.45

Career - 43 games, 3 starts, 54 Tgt, 33 Rec, 447 yards, 13.5 yards/c, 61.1% reception %

Best - 2020 - 13g, 2 starts 35 Tgt, 21 Rec, 224 yards, 10.7 yards/c, 60% reception %

 

7. Justin Shorter - 3 years $4,163,948 (cap hit $876K - Dead Cap - 243K)

6'4" 229, age 24, 5th rd pick (150 th, Buf) in 2023 out of Florida.

40 - 4.55, 10 - 1.59

 

8. Tyrell Shavers - 2 yr $1,764,000 (cap hit $799.5 - Dead Cap - 9K)

6'4" 211, age 24, UDFA (Buf) in 2023 out of San Diego St.

40 - 4.59, 10 - 1.63

Well, we know three of our WR's off top. Those are Keon Coleman, Khalil Shakir, and Curtis Samuel. Looking at the roster as a whole, and what we have done previously, I think we keep AT MOST 6 WR's on the active roster. That means all of these guys are battling for 3 spots.

 

Unless some unexpected guys REALLY impress, then I think one of those spots is almost a lock, with that lock being Hollins. I think he will be here come week one. Hollins fills that ST's role they look for and he has been productive at WR previously, albeit two years ago with the Raiders.

 

MVS is that tall, fast WR who they can run on those Fly and Deep Post patterns to stretch the field. Claypool fits that same mold and this is also where he was at his best with Pittsburgh. I think if we get the first and second year Claypool, then he beats out MVS for that spot. Claypool has also played some ST's as well, where MVS really has not. One of those guys makes the #5 WR on the roster. If they both show well in TC and the preseason? Then they could be WR #5 AND #6. 

 

That leaves Cephus, Isabella, Shorter, Shavers, Hamler, Johnson, Thompson, and Keys all battling for one spot. This is assuming that we don't keep both Claypool and MVS. This is a pull a name from a hat situation. Isabella and Shorter have a leg up on the rest imo, and Shorter over Isabella if I had to guess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Freddie's Dead]

I want Bocephus, badly.  Just for the name alone.

[Warriorspikes51]

Coleman

Samuel

Shakir
MVS
Claypool
Hamler
Hollis

Shorter PS and poached by someone 

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, Sweats said:

Jesus, after seeing that WR list, i'm not really feeling too good of who may or may not be on the roster come September.

 

It's almost like a pile of dog **** sitting atop a pile of trash.

It's almost like a pretty pink bow on a piece of dog ****........sure, it looks nice, but at the end of the day, it's still dog ****.

 

Jesus christ.

Don’t mince words, tell us what you really,

[GoBills!]

I think Cephus surpises us in Camp and takes a spot, I don't see us keeping all 3 MVS, Hollins, Claypool. I wouldnt be shocked to see MVS cut if he doesn't fix his drops.

[NeverOutNick]

7 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Shakir, Samuel, and Coleman have guaranteed roster spots.  So which strand(s) of spaghetti stick to wall (make the roster)? Will the Bills keep 2 or 3 of the strands?  

 

1. Mack Hollins - 1 year $2,600,000 (cap hit 2.48 - Dead Cap -$1.1)

6'4" 221, age 30, 4th rd pikc (118th Philly) in 2017 out of UNC

40 - 4.53, 10 - 1.59

Career - 95 games, 27 starts, 222 Tgt, 131 Rec, 1691 yards, 12.9 yards/c, 59% reception %

Best - 2022 - 17g, 16 starts 94 Tgt, 57 Rec, 690 yards, 12.1 yards/c, 60.6% reception  %

 

2. Marquez Valdes-Scantling - 1 year $1,125,000 (cap hit 1.125 - Dead Cap -$TBD)

6'4" 206, age 29, 5th rd pick (174th) in 2018 out of S Florida.

40 - 4.37, 10 - 1.49

Career - 92 games, 60 starts, 370 Tgt, 186 Rec, 3155 yards, 17 yards/c, 50.3% reception %

Best - 2020 - 16g, 12 starts 63 Tgt, 33 Rec, 690 yards, 20.9 yards/c, 52.4% reception %

 

3. Chase Claypool - 1 year $1,135,000 (cap hit 1.085 - Dead Cap -$25K)

6'4" 238, age 25, 2nd rd pick (49th, Pitt) in 2020 out of ND.

40 - 4.42, 10 - 1.52

Career - 58 games, 32 starts, 314 Tgt, 175 Rec, 2261 yards, 12.9 yards/c, 55.7% reception %

Best - 2020 - 16g, 6 starts 109 Tgt, 62 Rec, 873 yards, 14.1 yards/c, 56.9% reception %

 

4. KJ Hamler - 1 year $1,055,000 (cap hit 1.055 - Dead Cap -0)

5'9" 178, age 24, 2nd rd pick (46th, Den) in 2020 out of Penn St.

40 - 4.36, 

Career - 23 games, 6 starts, 80 Tgt, 42 Rec, 620 yards, 14.8 yards/c, 52.5% reception %

Best - 2020 - 13g, 4 starts 56 Tgt, 30 Rec, 381 yards, 12.7 yards/c, 53.6% reception %

 

5. Quintez Cephus - 1 year $1,055,000 (cap hit $1.055 - Dead Cap -8K)

6'1" 208, age 26, 5th rd pick (166th, Det) in 2020 out of Wisconsin.

40 - 4.73, 10 - 1.59

Career - 22 games, 6 starts, 60 Tgt, 37 Rec, 568 yards, 15.4 yards/c, 61.7% reception %

Best - 2020 - 13g, 2 starts 35 Tgt, 20 Rec, 349 yards, 17.5 yards/c, 61.8% reception %

 

6. Andy Isabella - 1 year $1,133,000 (cap hit 993K - Dead Cap -8K)

5'9" 188, age 27, 2nd rd pick (62nd, AZ) in 2019 out of U Mass.

40 - 4.31, 10 - 1.45

Career - 43 games, 3 starts, 54 Tgt, 33 Rec, 447 yards, 13.5 yards/c, 61.1% reception %

Best - 2020 - 13g, 2 starts 35 Tgt, 21 Rec, 224 yards, 10.7 yards/c, 60% reception %

 

7. Justin Shorter - 3 years $4,163,948 (cap hit $876K - Dead Cap - 243K)

6'4" 229, age 24, 5th rd pick (150 th, Buf) in 2023 out of Florida.

40 - 4.55, 10 - 1.59

 

8. Tyrell Shavers - 2 yr $1,764,000 (cap hit $799.5 - Dead Cap - 9K)

6'4" 211, age 24, UDFA (Buf) in 2023 out of San Diego St.

40 - 4.59, 10 - 1.63

This is great! Really puts the open competition in perspective. Not one guy is leading right now imo based on the contracts. I believe Hamler has the most upside and easily would be the guy to be poached quickest now that he’s healthy off the PS so I hope he makes the team. After that game on

[Logic]

2 hours ago, Sweats said:

Jesus, after seeing that WR list, i'm not really feeling too good of who may or may not be on the roster come September.

 

It's almost like a pile of dog **** sitting atop a pile of trash.

It's almost like a pretty pink bow on a piece of dog ****........sure, it looks nice, but at the end of the day, it's still dog ****.

 

Jesus christ.

🤐

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No but I think he is more likely to be poached that a Hamler or a Isabella who the league has kind of taken its view on. That is my point. Equally it isn't just a WR for WR equation. Tylan Grable might be our 10th OL, but he is more likely to get poached than Hamler or Isabella. If they think none of the candidates for WR6 are waiver risks then they could keep a 5 and keep an extra lineman for example. 

 

I always look at WR specifically and say - all the guys from last year who didn't play are 1 year older and thus forgotten.  Hamler and Isabella are like 4 years older and completely forgotten. 

 

There were 30+ new WRs added this year in the draft alone, plus additional UDFA's.  When i look at column 2 of this list: https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchartpos/wr , I'm having a hard time finding players that would be cut for someone like Shorter.  Obviously injuries can change a lot of things.  

[Sweats]

Just now, Logic said:

🤐

 

 

 

I'm starting to see your concerns these past weeks of the state of our WR's.

I was being totally optimistic, but seeing this WR list in full is almost a sham.......it's almost embarrassing.

 

[Logic]

4 minutes ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

I'm starting to see your concerns these past weeks of the state of our WR's.

I was being totally optimistic, but seeing this WR list in full is almost a sham.......it's almost embarrassing.

 

I am officially retired from speaking on the matter any further.

I spent 16 days voicing my concerns. People started to turn on me. I was really harshing their mellow. 

So from now on, I'm just gonna stick with 🤐 and hope for the best. 

[NeverOutNick]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think that is exactly the point on Hamler and Isabella. They are not gonna get picked up if they are cut from the 53. So they are easy cuts. If the Bills think Justin Shorter might then he makes the 6 on the roster. 

I don’t think your statement is true at all about Hamler. If not for the injury last year he would’ve been a hot commodity due to his skill set as a burner and returner. Isabella is a much lesser version of him that has proven he’s not much of a difference maker on game day so I agree he would be fine on the PS. I also don’t think teams will go out of their way to roster Shorter either. This was an amazing WR draft class that shorter might not have even been drafted in. Hopefully Beane and McD truly make this an open competition because the contracts reflect that it should be. 

 

6 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

 

If Hamler stays healthy he’ll be one to watch 

100% agree. He’s the guy with the most potential out of the group

 

2 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Justin shorter sat a season as a 5th rounder. I don't think teams are lining up to poach him. 

 

I assume they want at least one vet in the bottom 3. I'd have to assume MVS fits that bill. Hollins plays special teams, but so does a player like shavers who also has the advantage of having played here for a season. 

Exactly. Teams that wanted WRs just drafted them in a deep and talented draft class. Why roster a guy who body catches everything and did nothing when his QB was Anthony Richardson 

[Sweats]

6 minutes ago, Logic said:

I am officially retired from speaking on the matter any further.

I spent 16 days voicing my concerns. People started to turn on me. I was really harshing their mellow. 

So from now on, I'm just gonna stick with 🤐 and hope for the best. 

 

 

 

 

I honestly thought some posters were being overly dramatic on the state of our WR's, but seeing that list is actually bringing me down.

[Mat68]

Only roster locks are Coleman, Samuel and Shakir.  I think Hollins and MVS are safely ahead of the rest.  Shorter, Shavers, Hamler, Isabella, Cephus and Claypool all have unique paths to the roster if they maximize their roles and ability.  Not overly inspiring but bottom 3 roster spots will be more highly contested than in years past.  Harty, Mckenzie, Sherfield haven't faced this level of competition.  All three would be lumped in this same group and would struggle to separate themselves. 

[T master]

8 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Shakir, Samuel, and Coleman have guaranteed roster spots.  So which strand(s) of spaghetti stick to wall (make the roster)? Will the Bills keep 2 or 3 of the strands?  

 

1. Mack Hollins - 1 year $2,600,000 (cap hit 2.48 - Dead Cap -$1.1)

6'4" 221, age 30, 4th rd pikc (118th Philly) in 2017 out of UNC

40 - 4.53, 10 - 1.59

Career - 95 games, 27 starts, 222 Tgt, 131 Rec, 1691 yards, 12.9 yards/c, 59% reception %

Best - 2022 - 17g, 16 starts 94 Tgt, 57 Rec, 690 yards, 12.1 yards/c, 60.6% reception  %

 

2. Marquez Valdes-Scantling - 1 year $1,125,000 (cap hit 1.125 - Dead Cap -$TBD)

6'4" 206, age 29, 5th rd pick (174th) in 2018 out of S Florida.

40 - 4.37, 10 - 1.49

Career - 92 games, 60 starts, 370 Tgt, 186 Rec, 3155 yards, 17 yards/c, 50.3% reception %

Best - 2020 - 16g, 12 starts 63 Tgt, 33 Rec, 690 yards, 20.9 yards/c, 52.4% reception %

 

3. Chase Claypool - 1 year $1,135,000 (cap hit 1.085 - Dead Cap -$25K)

6'4" 238, age 25, 2nd rd pick (49th, Pitt) in 2020 out of ND.

40 - 4.42, 10 - 1.52

Career - 58 games, 32 starts, 314 Tgt, 175 Rec, 2261 yards, 12.9 yards/c, 55.7% reception %

Best - 2020 - 16g, 6 starts 109 Tgt, 62 Rec, 873 yards, 14.1 yards/c, 56.9% reception %

 

4. KJ Hamler - 1 year $1,055,000 (cap hit 1.055 - Dead Cap -0)

5'9" 178, age 24, 2nd rd pick (46th, Den) in 2020 out of Penn St.

40 - 4.36, 

Career - 23 games, 6 starts, 80 Tgt, 42 Rec, 620 yards, 14.8 yards/c, 52.5% reception %

Best - 2020 - 13g, 4 starts 56 Tgt, 30 Rec, 381 yards, 12.7 yards/c, 53.6% reception %

 

5. Quintez Cephus - 1 year $1,055,000 (cap hit $1.055 - Dead Cap -8K)

6'1" 208, age 26, 5th rd pick (166th, Det) in 2020 out of Wisconsin.

40 - 4.73, 10 - 1.59

Career - 22 games, 6 starts, 60 Tgt, 37 Rec, 568 yards, 15.4 yards/c, 61.7% reception %

Best - 2020 - 13g, 2 starts 35 Tgt, 20 Rec, 349 yards, 17.5 yards/c, 61.8% reception %

 

6. Andy Isabella - 1 year $1,133,000 (cap hit 993K - Dead Cap -8K)

5'9" 188, age 27, 2nd rd pick (62nd, AZ) in 2019 out of U Mass.

40 - 4.31, 10 - 1.45

Career - 43 games, 3 starts, 54 Tgt, 33 Rec, 447 yards, 13.5 yards/c, 61.1% reception %

Best - 2020 - 13g, 2 starts 35 Tgt, 21 Rec, 224 yards, 10.7 yards/c, 60% reception %

 

7. Justin Shorter - 3 years $4,163,948 (cap hit $876K - Dead Cap - 243K)

6'4" 229, age 24, 5th rd pick (150 th, Buf) in 2023 out of Florida.

40 - 4.55, 10 - 1.59

 

8. Tyrell Shavers - 2 yr $1,764,000 (cap hit $799.5 - Dead Cap - 9K)

6'4" 211, age 24, UDFA (Buf) in 2023 out of San Diego St.

40 - 4.59, 10 - 1.63

 

A lot depends on how they do in OTA's & mini camp it's a bit early right now to pick I for 1 hope that Shorter gets to stay MVS showed last season that drop balls can be a problem for him which the Bills don't need ! 

 

I'm sure the coaching staff will get a good hold on who to keep & who not to keep by the time the pre season roles around but i don't know enough about the players to give a accurate opinion on it . 

[Logic]

2 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

 

Exactly. Teams that wanted WRs just drafted them in a deep and talented draft class. Why roster a guy who body catches everything and did nothing when his QB was Anthony Richardson 

Sometimes I feel like when we get to the later rounds, Beane seems to be prioritizing how players can contribute on special teams when he selects them, rather than how they can contribute on offense or defense. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge advocate for devoting resources and attention to special teams. I feel that most fans underrate its importance. Exemplary or abysmal special teams play can swing 1-2 games a year. It's important. And your bottom-of-the-roster WRs, LBs, etc, DO need to be able to play special teams to stick.

BUT...I still can't help but wish that, at times, they'd prioritize guys who they think can help on offense and defense first, and then trust their coaches to TEACH them to be good special teams players, the way they trust their coaches to teach raw athletic prospects to be good offensive and defensive players.

Anyway, I bring this up because I feel like it's what resulted in the Bills drafting Justin Shorter over, say, Dontayvion Wicks, Puka Nacua, Trey Palmer, or Demario Douglas -- all of whom were drafted after Shorter. They knew Shorter would be a dynamite special teams player, and that's lovely, but he was never particularly good at actually playing receiver at Flordia, and it sure would be nice right now to have one of the other guys I just listed in the pipeline, instead of a guy who we HOPE can make the team as a gunner.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

10 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

I don’t think your statement is true at all about Hamler. If not for the injury last year he would’ve been a hot commodity due to his skill set as a burner and returner. Isabella is a much lesser version of him that has proven he’s not much of a difference maker on game day so I agree he would be fine on the PS. I also don’t think teams will go out of their way to roster Shorter either. This was an amazing WR draft class that shorter might not have even been drafted in. Hopefully Beane and McD truly make this an open competition because the contracts reflect that it should be. 

 

100% agree. He’s the guy with the most potential out of the group

 

Exactly. Teams that wanted WRs just drafted them in a deep and talented draft class. Why roster a guy who body catches everything and did nothing when his QB was Anthony Richardson 

 

I mean... Richardson wasn't exactly joe montana.  Pearsall went in the first 1 year later and had similar numbers to shorter in 2022.  

[NeverOutNick]

2 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I mean... Richardson wasn't exactly joe montana.  Pearsall went in the first 1 year later and had similar numbers to shorter in 2022.  

True enough on the QB play but eye test clearly shows Pearsall as an actual dependable WR who runs the route tree and catches the ball with his hands. Shorter looks like a WR in shorts but doesn’t play like one I’d draft in the NFL. 
 

All I’m hoping for is that it’s truly an open competition with no agendas to keep a guy just because Beane drafted him. Who cares. Just get the 6 best WRs for Josh to depend on game day even if it’s some 26 year old Joe Shmoe who was delivering pizzas a week prior lol

[H2o]

26 minutes ago, Logic said:

I am officially retired from speaking on the matter any further.

I spent 16 days voicing my concerns. People started to turn on me. I was really harshing their mellow. 

So from now on, I'm just gonna stick with 🤐 and hope for the best. 

Voiced mine as well. I'll be a realist and the rest can....