Bill from NYC Posted May 22 Posted May 22 29 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I just addressed this. The post was in no way directed at, nor meant to be demeaning to you in any way. I was just complinenting his post and nothing else. 👍 Quote
oldmanfan Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said: The post was in no way directed at, nor meant to be demeaning to you in any way. I was just complinenting his post and nothing else. 👍 For the record if a policeman is killed in the line of duty I strongly favor the death penalty for the offender. 1 1 Quote
Bill from NYC Posted May 22 Posted May 22 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: For the record if a policeman is killed in the line of duty I strongly favor the death penalty for the offender. And may God bless you. Quote
SoTier Posted May 23 Posted May 23 On 5/21/2024 at 7:18 PM, Bob Jones said: One big, BIG difference between Kap and Butker is that Kap did his thing on “company time.” To me, and to many others, that makes a world of difference. An analogy would be if right after the SB win, down on the field in post game interviews, Butker would have said some of the stuff he said at the college commencement speech. The biggest difference between Kaepernick and Butker is that Kaepernick protested against the numerous and well documented instances of police brutality against African American men while Butker ranted against aspects of American society/culture that he personally doesn't like. 2 3 Quote
Mike in Horseheads Posted May 24 Posted May 24 Another voice speaks... https://nypost.com/2024/05/23/sports/nfl-has-many-more-things-to-condemn-than-harrison-butkers-speech/ 1 Quote
ProcessTruster Posted May 25 Posted May 25 I agree with him. Up until 40-50 years ago and the invention of the pill, the world largely worked just fine like this for hundreds, thousands of years. Seems like the last 50 years are the problem, not the previous hundreds/thousands. 1 2 1 1 Quote
SoTier Posted May 26 Posted May 26 1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said: I agree with him. Up until 40-50 years ago and the invention of the pill, the world largely worked just fine like this for hundreds, thousands of years. Seems like the last 50 years are the problem, not the previous hundreds/thousands. Oh, it worked just fine if you were a white male Christian who wasn't known to be a homosexual. Not so fine for everybody else. 2 4 1 Quote
oldmanfan Posted May 27 Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said: Why do you get so angry when people don't parrot your own political philosophy? Do you really hate the concepts of free speech and freedom of opinion THAT much? You just called a man a "bigot" and a "disgrace" for having views that differ from yours. And I notice that in your last sentence, you appear to care about Jews. I suppose this means that you support Israel in their plight against terrorist Hamas right? Yeah, sure. I’ll speak for this guy as I believe we share similar feelings. Why do YOU not get that one can support free speech but vehemently disagree with a person’s views? I am a strong advocate for the LGBTQ community and when people like Butker demean them it becomes dangerous. Folks of similar mind use such inflammatory speeches to justify their own hatred. And that’s wrong. 1 Quote
Bill from NYC Posted May 27 Posted May 27 He called Mushnick a "bigot," "disgrace," and desptie Mushnick being Jewish, accused him of "trying to make the world safe for us white male Christians." If you cannot admit that this is excessive I really don't know how, nor have the wherewithal to convince you that it is. You seem to jump all over the fact that the community of which you speak should not be demeaned. OK, great. At the same time you are supporting a person being personally shamed and ridiculed for having an opinion with which you do not agree. There seems to be little point in taking this any further. Your stance on free thinking and free speech seem to be pretty much impenetrable. I do however wish you well. Happy Memorial Day to you and yours!!! 1 Quote
oldmanfan Posted May 27 Posted May 27 15 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: He called Mushnick a "bigot," "disgrace," and desptie Mushnick being Jewish, accused him of "trying to make the world safe for us white male Christians." If you cannot admit that this is excessive I really don't know how, nor have the wherewithal to convince you that it is. You seem to jump all over the fact that the community of which you speak should not be demeaned. OK, great. At the same time you are supporting a person being personally shamed and ridiculed for having an opinion with which you do not agree. There seems to be little point in taking this any further. Your stance on free thinking and free speech seem to be pretty much impenetrable. I do however wish you well. Happy Memorial Day to you and yours!!! And I disagree with calling Mushnick that. You cannot seem to reconcile the idea that, while everyone has the freedom to express their views, others have an equal right to express their opposing reaction to said views. 1 Quote
SoTier Posted May 27 Posted May 27 22 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Why do you get so angry when people don't parrot your own political philosophy? Do you really hate the concepts of free speech and freedom of opinion THAT much? You just called a man a "bigot" and a "disgrace" for having views that differ from yours. And I notice that in your last sentence, you appear to care about Jews. I suppose this means that you support Israel in their plight against terrorist Hamas right? Yeah, sure. Opposing bigotry is not a "political philosophy" but an ethical stance. The United States in 2024 is a large country with a diverse population. All American citizens have equal rights regardless of their gender, race, sexual orientation, religion or national origin. In the past -- and well into the 1960s -- that idea was given lip service as too many people in power on local, state and national levels looked the other way when Blacks, Hispanics and/or Asians were lynched or when Irish Catholics and/or other immigrants were denied jobs or when Japanese Americans were sent to internment camps or when even wealthy Jews were barred from prestigious schools and colleges or when women were barred from numerous careers and job opportunities by prejudice and by law. Butker expressed views on women and LGBTQ people that might have been respectable for many in 1924 or 1954 but are not in 2024. He used religion to justify those bigoted views although his views don't conform to the Church's teachings. Butker is certainly free to express his views, but I also have the right to call him out for what he revealed he is: a reactionary bigot hiding behind religion. If your "political philosophy" embraces bigotry and/or the acceptance of bigotry, then you need to examine your own political beliefs -- and your moral compass. 1 1 Quote
Pecos Bills Posted May 28 Posted May 28 On 5/25/2024 at 7:03 PM, ProcessTruster said: I agree with him. Up until 40-50 years ago and the invention of the pill, the world largely worked just fine like this for hundreds, thousands of years. Seems like the last 50 years are the problem, not the previous hundreds/thousands. Lol, spoken like a person who never had to live in the previous hundreds or thousands of years. 🙄 1 Quote
Jauronimo Posted May 28 Posted May 28 On 5/25/2024 at 6:03 PM, ProcessTruster said: I agree with him. Up until 40-50 years ago and the invention of the pill, the world largely worked just fine like this for hundreds, thousands of years. Seems like the last 50 years are the problem, not the previous hundreds/thousands. The planet was a veritable garden of Eden up until the early 1970s. Everyone just got along. This kind of radical social upheaval we see to today was virtually unimaginable in the 60s. Then women started wearing long pants and popping contraception like tic tacs and its been nothing but hell for regular guys like us since. 7 Quote
K-9 Posted May 28 Posted May 28 4 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Is this Tomfoolery still going on? 😳 No. But it’s devolved into madcap hijinks and buffoonery. 1 1 Quote
Simon Posted May 28 Posted May 28 41 minutes ago, K-9 said: No. But it’s devolved into madcap hijinks and buffoonery. 1 1 Quote
Ralonzo Posted May 29 Posted May 29 It amuses me how every kernel of collective human wisdom that was valid until approximately 20 minutes ago is now an imminent threat to civilization. Quote
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