Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 21 Posted May 21 5 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Speed. 4.37 second 40 time. In theory makes him more able to be a deep threat. It’s weird but fast doesn’t really mean deep threat. Some players just have a unique ability to get behind the defense. Some players have that skill and are also fast. MVS has both, he just can’t catch consistently. 2 Quote
Beck Water Posted May 21 Posted May 21 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It’s weird but fast doesn’t really mean deep threat. Some players just have a unique ability to get behind the defense. Some players have that skill and are also fast. MVS has both, he just can’t catch consistently. Exactly. If he had all three abilities, chances are we wouldn't have just signed him for a modest contract with a bunch of incentives Edited May 21 by Beck Water 1 Quote
Rocky Landing Posted May 21 Posted May 21 1 hour ago, Beck Water said: Speed. 4.37 second 40 time. In theory makes him more able to be a deep threat. That 40 time is from 2018. He's not running a 4.37 in 2024. He doesn't play fast. And that 40 time is 5/100ths of a second from Chase Claypool's 2020 40 time, 18/100ths faster than Justin Shorter's 2023 40 time, and 1/100th second faster than Tyrell Shavers' 2023 40 time. Hell-- Mack Hollins ran a 4.53 in 2019. Obviously, Shorter, and Shavers have an uphill battle to get onto the 53, and don't have a single regular season snap to show for themselves. But do you know what Claypool, and Hollins, (not to mention KJ Hamler, Andy Isabella, and Curtis Samuel) all have in common? They ALL have a higher completion percentage, and lower drop rate than Marquez Valdez-Scantling. And all with far worse quarterbacks throwing them the ball. Here's a link to his 2023 highlight reel. (Bear in mind-- this is a highlight reel, from a season in which he had a 50% completion percentage, and a 7% drop rate). In some of those catches, he's wide open in the end zone. But, there isn't a single reception in the open field (save for one where the safety trips over his own feet), where he isn't covered, and not one route where he is lined up on the boundary. I'm not even making an argument that he won't make the 53. Going into TC, I would put him just behind Hollins (for Hollins' ST play). But, then one has to ask the question: How many 6'4" WRs do they employ? And is MVS really that unique? Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 21 Posted May 21 Some people are over analyzing this move. MVS has had an important starting role on 2 Super Bowl contending teams. We don’t know what his role will be here but arguing against the signing makes zero sense. 1 Quote
Fan in Chicago Posted May 21 Posted May 21 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Some people are over analyzing this move. MVS has had an important starting role on 2 Super Bowl contending teams. We don’t know what his role will be here but arguing against the signing makes zero sense. His career has been underwhelming, he certainly does not have the "I didn't have a QB" excuse, his catch percent is Davis-esque. The concerns are very justified, no where near "zero sense". It is very much non-zero 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 21 Posted May 21 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: His career has been underwhelming, he certainly does not have the "I didn't have a QB" excuse, his catch percent is Davis-esque. The concerns are very justified, no where near "zero sense". It is very much non-zero They run similar routes. Lead the league in depth of target. He drops a lot of shorter stuff so that doesn’t excuse the drops, but the drops don’t affect the catch % that much. His catch % is low because of his depth of target. Just like QB completion % goes down the deeper the throw. Same thing. There shouldn’t be any concerns. He’s not signed to a contract that should concern anyone. Edited May 21 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote
boyst Posted May 21 Posted May 21 i'm amazed we are in such a spot to ridicule and critique a WR playing the #3 role in our offense which is desperate for anything productive. are we that good of a team that this needs to be done or are we that disillusioned that our idea of quality at the position is understood? Quote
JGMcD2 Posted May 21 Posted May 21 I don't see a problem with signing a guy who can play 75% of Gabe Davis' role for 1/8 of the cost. 2 Quote
90sBills Posted June 14 Posted June 14 Why is MVS still hanging out with the Chiefs? Seems wrong. Quote
nedboy7 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 20 minutes ago, 90sBills said: Why is MVS still hanging out with the Chiefs? Seems wrong. He’s McD’s snitch. Quote
90sBills Posted June 14 Posted June 14 10 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: He’s McD’s snitch. Hope he gathers some great intel if that’s the case. lol 1 Quote
mrags Posted June 14 Posted June 14 11 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: He’s McD’s snitch. I would have said it’s more likely he’s Mahomes and Reids snitch. But the truth is, they don’t need him to play spy. They have no problem smoking us every year in the playoffs. 1 2 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 (edited) 1 hour ago, 90sBills said: Why is MVS still hanging out with the Chiefs? Seems wrong. Because it's the Super Bowl ring ceremony? Should he not get his ring? Even if that's not what was happening, players are friends off the field regardless of the teams they're on. Edited June 14 by BillsFanForever19 Quote
90sBills Posted June 14 Posted June 14 28 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Because it's the Super Bowl ring ceremony? Should he not get his ring? Even if that's not what was happening, players are friends off the field regardless of the teams they're on. Juju didn’t joined them last year after he signed with the Pats and somehow he received his ring. 1 Quote
NewEra Posted June 14 Posted June 14 8 hours ago, 90sBills said: Juju didn’t joined them last year after he signed with the Pats and somehow he received his ring. 1 Quote
Logic Posted June 14 Posted June 14 Now that this thread has been revived for some reason or another, let me just say... While I have been vocally critical of the Bills' handling of the WR position this offseason, I think the MVS signing will pay dividends. I think he'll end up playing a bigger part -- and having more big plays -- than many are likely giving him credit for. If Claypool also happens to revive his career -- and all signs so far are good, albeit early in the offseason program -- then the addition of the two vets, Claypool and MVS, will go a long way toward giving this WR corps some depth and skillsets that it lacked. These were good, low cost additions that I think will help our team this year in a tangible way. 2 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 MVS would have made the plays that Diggs and Sherfield didn't He is a big game player and has consistently delivered in the playoffs 2 3 1 Quote
90sBills Posted June 14 Posted June 14 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: MVS would have made the plays that Diggs and Sherfield didn't He is a big game player and has consistently delivered in the playoffs He was a big reason KC made the Super Bowl in ‘22. Despite a bad regular season last year he made crucial catches in the playoffs to help them again. Hopefully he can bring that success to the Bills. 2 Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted June 14 Posted June 14 (edited) 3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: MVS would have made the plays that Diggs and Sherfield didn't He is a big game player and has consistently delivered in the playoffs First of all.........every regular season metric tells us that MVS is washed. So don't get your hopes up. He was a career 1.5+ yards per route run receiver from 2018 to 2022.............who just put up a pathetic .73 yprr in a horrendous 2023 season. MVS has been modestly better in the playoffs than the regular season in his career though. He goes from like 34 yards per game to 36. He's not "playoff Gabe" level with numbers that totally obliterate his regular season averages across the board or anything like that. Edited June 14 by BADOLBILZ Quote
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