Marquez Valdes-Scantling meeting with the Bills (UPDATE: Signed)

[MasterStrategist]

  On 5/17/2024 at 6:25 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

When did you last see an alligator shy from contact? I'll hang up and listen. 

Expand  

People are trying to kindly tell you it's a common saying in America ("alligator arms"= short arm a catch, because afraid of upcoming hit/contact").

 

It's not a scientific saying or anything pertinent to the animal itself.  

 

If you misuse a common saying, you will likely be misunderstood.  

 

Like someone texting you they just got hurt in a car accident, and you text back "lol".  Without knowing that means what it does, you'd unintentionally be communicating an insult.

 

Similar to what you implied about Shakir, who does have short arms but certainly doesn't shy away from contact.  Unintentionally that's what you said.

[GunnerBill]

  On 5/17/2024 at 6:30 PM, MasterStrategist said:

People are trying to kindly tell you it's a common saying in America ("alligator arms"= short arm a catch, because afraid of upcoming hit/contact").

 

It's not a scientific saying or anything pertinent to the animal itself.  

 

If you misuse a common saying, you will likely be misunderstood.  

 

Like someone texting you they just got hurt in a car accident, and you text back "lol".  Without knowing that means what it does, you'd unintentionally be communicating an insult.

 

Similar to what you implied about Shakir, who does have short arms but certainly doesn't shy away from contact.  Unintentionally that's what you said.

Expand  

 

I can't be responsible for people misunderstanding based on nonsense. Sorry, it is what it is. Short arms, like an alligator. 

[hondo in seattle]

  On 5/17/2024 at 5:40 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

Alligators have short arms.

 

I don't know why. Alligators have short arms. That is what Shakir has. Short arms. Like an alligator. I have never seen an alligator drop a football.

Expand  

 

Alligators have short arms and it's okay to describe a short-armed receiver as having "alligator arms."

 

But when I grew up playing football, "alligator arms" was a colloquial expression for when a receiver didn't fully extend to catch a ball because he was afraid of being hit.  Sometimes, saying a receiver had "alligator arms" was akin to saying he was a coward.  Shakir is not a cowardly receiver.  

 

Edited May 17, 2024 by hondo in seattle

[MasterStrategist]

  On 5/17/2024 at 6:31 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

I can't be responsible for people misunderstanding based on nonsense. Sorry, it is what it is. Short arms, like an alligator. 

Expand  

You're missing the point, or should I say "misreading the crowd".

 

It's a common saying, if you want to misuse it that's up to you.  Just like you're not changing what "lol" means to millions of ppl

[Doc]

  On 5/17/2024 at 6:25 PM, GunnerBill said:

When did you last see an alligator shy from contact? I'll hang up and listen. 

Expand  

Exactly. 

[GunnerBill]

  On 5/17/2024 at 6:34 PM, MasterStrategist said:

You're missing the point, or should I say "misreading the crowd".

 

It's a common saying, if you want to misuse it that's up to you.  Just like you're not changing what "lol" means to millions of ppl

Expand  

 

I don't care. There is zero logic for the common saying. 

[Simon]

  On 5/17/2024 at 6:39 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't care. There is zero logic for the common saying. 

Expand  

 

The logic is that his arms are short by choice, not by design.

[MasterStrategist]

  On 5/17/2024 at 6:39 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't care. There is zero logic for the common saying. 

Expand  

Ok.  That's not what ppl are trying to tell you though.

 

This isn't about logic...there are alot of sayings that aren't "logical".  

 

Someone says in football, "taking it to the house", that means scoring a touchdown.

 

Same as "alligator arms", implies avoiding contact as a receiver, on a given play(s)

Edited May 17, 2024 by MasterStrategist

[GunnerBill]

  On 5/17/2024 at 6:46 PM, MasterStrategist said:

Ok.  That's not what ppl are trying to tell you though.

 

This isn't about logic...there are alot of sayings that aren't "logical".  

 

Someone says in football, "taking it to the house", that means scoring a touchdown.

 

Same as "alligator arms", implies avoiding contact as a receiver, on a given play(s)

Expand  

 

I know what people are trying to tell me. I am not dim. I am telling them it is nonsensical. 

 

I mean no ill on Shakir but he has arms like an alligator.

[Nephilim17]

Gotta love the offseason: 20 posts with multiple people debating whether someone from a different continent is using an American turn of phrase correctly.

[GunnerBill]

  On 5/17/2024 at 6:56 PM, Nephilim17 said:

Gotta love the offseason: 20 posts with multiple people debating whether someone from a different continent is using an American turn of phrase correctly.

Expand  

 

I have to fight the good fight with you lot 13 months of the year.

[MasterStrategist]

  On 5/17/2024 at 6:56 PM, Nephilim17 said:

Gotta love the offseason: 20 posts with multiple people debating whether someone from a different continent is using an American turn of phrase correctly.

Expand  

Of course, that's what the offseason is for.

 

And whining about McD, Beane, lack of Wrs, playoff defense, etc.  😆

[PrimeTime101]

  On 5/17/2024 at 6:49 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

I know what people are trying to tell me. I am not dim. I am telling them it is nonsensical. 

 

I mean no ill on Shakir but he has arms like an alligator.

Expand  

I would love to know what arm sizes should be for a guy his size and style of play compared to actual size. 

 

can you at least explain that?

[Doc]

  On 5/17/2024 at 6:49 PM, GunnerBill said:

I know what people are trying to tell me. I am not dim. I am telling them it is nonsensical. 

 

I mean no ill on Shakir but he has arms like an alligator.

Expand  

Then why mention it?

[GunnerBill]

  On 5/17/2024 at 7:01 PM, PrimeTime101 said:

I would love to know what arm sizes should be for a guy his size and style of play compared to actual size. 

 

can you at least explain that?

Expand  

 

He is in the 1st percentile among NFL receivers. 

  On 5/17/2024 at 7:07 PM, Doc said:

Then why mention it?

Expand  

 

Why mention what? I am not the one who started a debate over whether alligators or t-rex's are the right equivalent for short armed receivers. 

[Einstein's Dog]

  On 5/17/2024 at 6:25 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

When did you last see an alligator shy from contact? I'll hang up and listen. 

Expand  

Was Ronnie Harmon before your time?

 

Most notable alligator arming in Bills history.

[GunnerBill]

  On 5/17/2024 at 7:10 PM, Einstein's Dog said:

Was Ronnie Harmon before your time?

 

Most notable alligator arming in Bills history.

Expand  

 

He played for the Bills when I was at an age where I'd have thought t-rex was cooler than an alligator.

[Doc]

  On 5/17/2024 at 7:08 PM, GunnerBill said:

Why mention what? I am not the one who started a debate over whether alligators or t-rex's are the right equivalent for short armed receivers. 

Expand  

You first mentioned his alligator arms. Why?  Why not mention his inseam?

[PrimeTime101]

  On 5/17/2024 at 7:08 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

He is in the 1st percentile among NFL receivers. 

 

Why mention what? I am not the one who started a debate over whether alligators or t-rex's are the right equivalent for short armed receivers. 

Expand  

Ive been looking for an article or a website that discusses this, its why I ask. Is this a pff thing?

[GunnerBill]

  On 5/17/2024 at 7:13 PM, Doc said:

You first mentioned his alligator arms. Why?  Why not mention his inseam?

Expand  

 

His arms are short.