Chiefs Bills Playoff Replay / Bass Kicking

[Blank Stare]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

love how it's always "the holder" lol...

Thank you. One of the most overrated, over discussed topics associated with this regime. Matt Haack is a joke of a NFL punter, but supposedly some sort of holding specialist. Give me a break with the holder talk. Just kick the damn ball through the uprights like you’re paid to do. 

Of course you never want to punt because it’s a failed drive, but Haack is the new Jordan Gay (kick off specialist) and it’s just a waste. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

There's things that go beyond stats. There's some kickers who never really recover after a big missed kick like that. We all know at least one name. 

 

I hope he can rebound from it, but he's going to be under a lot of pressure this year, no doubt about it. 

[Process]

I'm sure they are concerned but his contract is brutal. Hopefully he gets back to his old self this year and we don't need to worry about a replacement. 

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Hate to go all Finkle on ya, but maybe it was the holder? Maybe that's part of why Mitch is back? 

Mitch wasn’t the holder

[Augie]

1 hour ago, 947 said:

 There had to be an injury we don't know about to go from nailing 55+ yarders to punting instead of attempting 49 yarders.

 

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

And that's another problem.  How can we justify keeping a kicker that your HC has no faith in beyond 49 yards. 

 

Once again, we don’t have all the information, so I’m not sure what the HC has faith in. I can’t judge the kicker or the HC based upon mere speculation. Was he dinged up? Did he develop the yips? I don’t know what the problem was. I just hope Bass comes back 100% healthy and returns to his old form. 

[zow2]

I know I'm jaded by the Bills failures, but it seems like in the playoffs many NFL kickers have come through in recent years with huge FGs in the biggest of moments.  and of course in our folklore we have Bass vs KC and Norwood.   All I can say about the Bass kick is that even if he made it, I was sure KC would get in range for a GW kick or even a late TD.  But the fact he missed it so badly gives me pause for his future reliability.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

I think he got the yips after the Giants game when he missed 2 50+ yard FGs and nearly cost us the game. 

 

He started the year 9/9 up until the Giants game then went 15/20 to finish the regular season. McD decided to punt instead of have Bass attempt a 50-55 yarder multiple times in this stretch. 

 

He was a mind boggling 2/5 in the playoffs. 

 

I imagine he was a very real cut candidate, but his active cap hit is 4.4mm and dead cap would be 7.4mm. 

[DapperCam]

It wasn’t just one game, he struggled a big chunk of the year to the point where he lost the trust of the coaching staff.

 

That is why I’m puzzled with the third down call there at the end of the KC playoff game. It was third and long. Should have been a quick underneath throw, a run, or an Allen keeper to pick up a chunk of it and go for it on 4th down. Poor tactics from the OC in the clutch there.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I know I'm jaded by the Bills failures, but it seems like in the playoffs many NFL kickers have come through in recent years with huge FGs in the biggest of moments.  and of course in our folklore we have Bass vs KC and Norwood.   All I can say about the Bass kick is that even if he made it, I was sure KC would get in range for a GW kick or even a late TD.  But the fact he missed it so badly gives me pause for his future reliability.

Eagles guy made what a 60 yard FG in the rain. And Bass misses at home in decent conditions for Buffalo in January.  

They can't afford an 82% kicker this year. Give him 8 games and if he is not better they need to look for someone else. 

2 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

It wasn’t just one game, he struggled a big chunk of the year to the point where he lost the trust of the coaching staff.

 

That is why I’m puzzled with the third down call there at the end of the KC playoff game. It was third and long. Should have been a quick underneath throw, a run, or an Allen keeper to pick up a chunk of it and go for it on 4th down. Poor tactics from the OC in the clutch there.

We will never know but agree the third down play should have been an underneath play that kept the clock moving and at least gave you a shorter FG or a chance to go for it on fourth down. 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

48 minutes ago, Process said:

I'm sure they are concerned but his contract is brutal. Hopefully he gets back to his old self this year and we don't need to worry about a replacement. 

If I'm reading the numbers correctly, it's not near as bad as people make out.

 

Let's say he's cut in TC. It would leave behind $4.32M in dead cap this year. But we theoretically will have a little extra cash from the Tre White contract to absorb that. 

 

After that starting next season it would leave behind dead cap hits of slightly over $1M a season in 2025, 2026 and 2027.

 

However, it would also open the following in cap money:

 

2025- $3.650M

2026- $3.950M

2027- $4.3M

 

In other words after an initial hit this year moving forward that would be enough to pay his replacement and depending on the kicker have a little left over.

 

I would prefer he gets his game worked out and stays, however it doesn't look like it's some impossible financially crippling task if he looks bad in TC or early in the season and they have to move on.

 

https://overthecap.com/player/tyler-bass/8928

Edited May 9 by BuffaloBillyG

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I was going to bring up the golfing analogy as well.

 

He's developed a hook that can be worked out in TC.

 

But it's very difficult to work out while you're playing 

Isn’t it actually considered a slice, as opposed to a hook? 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Mitch wasn’t the holder

Yeah my bad, it's the punter. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

17 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Isn’t it actually considered a slice, as opposed to a hook? 

I can't remember if it went wide right or wide left.

 

Wide right = slice.  In golf you are swinging the club outside to inside so the ball goes to the right.

Wide left = hook.  In gold you are swinging inside to outside causing the ball to go left.  This is preferable in golf

[VaMilBill]

3 hours ago, Sweats said:

Kickers are a funny breed.....they could miss an easy chip shot and then it weighs on them all game long, to the point where you see them shanking to the left and right trying to over-compensate for issues that are all in their minds to begin with.

Or in terms of Bass, he could miss “easy” chip shots (a la the Steelers playoff game) AND miss the moderate to difficult FG attempts. Not a good combo. 
 

im a little disappointed we haven’t brought any one in to compete. I have a feeling we are going to stubbornly stick with him until it’s too late and is costs us a couple games. I know he has a big cap hit, but if he’s hurting our team, you can’t have him playing. 

1 hour ago, DapperCam said:

It wasn’t just one game, he struggled a big chunk of the year to the point where he lost the trust of the coaching staff.

 

That is why I’m puzzled with the third down call there at the end of the KC playoff game. It was third and long. Should have been a quick underneath throw, a run, or an Allen keeper to pick up a chunk of it and go for it on 4th down. Poor tactics from the OC in the clutch there.

I mean he cost us the Patriots and Eagles games this year IMO. 

[stevestojan]

I think people called him Bass-o-matic solely for the joke. 
 

He was 82.8% last year. 

[SoCal Deek]

13 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I can't remember if it went wide right or wide left.

 

Wide right = slice.  In golf you are swinging the club outside to inside so the ball goes to the right.

Wide left = hook.  In gold you are swinging inside to outside causing the ball to go left.  This is preferable in golf

Bingo….he’s developed a wicked slice.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

3 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

I'm still not concerned about Bass.

 

Let's see how he does this season, then go from there.

 

Yeah I believe McD and Beane when they say "if we have to have one, he's going to make it" 

[90sBills]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

I know I'm jaded by the Bills failures, but it seems like in the playoffs many NFL kickers have come through in recent years with huge FGs in the biggest of moments.  and of course in our folklore we have Bass vs KC and Norwood.   All I can say about the Bass kick is that even if he made it, I was sure KC would get in range for a GW kick or even a late TD.  But the fact he missed it so badly gives me pause for his future reliability.

Of all the guys McD brought from Carolina he couldn’t have brought Harrison Butker?

[DrDawkinstein]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

 

Once again, we don’t have all the information, so I’m not sure what the HC has faith in. I can’t judge the kicker or the HC based upon mere speculation. Was he dinged up? Did he develop the yips? I don’t know what the problem was. I just hope Bass comes back 100% healthy and returns to his old form. 

 

Cant judge on mere speculation, that's for sure. And I dont know about any injury.

 

But there were definitely some classic McD situational weird decisions in the beginning of the season that could have easily knocked the kid off track. The Denver game comes to mind, although I dont remember the exact situation. I remember being frustrated with his decisions on when to not just take the easy points, but then later on throw Bass out there on a long kick he clearly was not going to make.

 

 

Edited May 9 by DrDawkinstein

[GETTOTHE50]

27 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Of all the guys McD brought from Carolina he couldn’t have brought Harrison Butker?

He sucks too unless it’s against the bills in the playoffs