GunnerBill Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 4 minutes ago, Process said: What's your background? Just curious how a fan from Europe has connections with people that work for the Bills. I'm not doubting you at all, genuinely curious and find it interesting. Are you from the area? Have you worked in the sports industry? I know you get really involved in the draft process, it seems like you have been involved in scouting in the past. So one of them is someone I can into contact with indirectly, through a former NFL position coach who I know personally who married a Brit and now lives in the UK, and that person is no longer in the organisation. The other is someone I started engaging with through a scouting forum before they got a formal job in the league and long before they worked for the Bills. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: So one of them is someone I can into contact with indirectly, through a former NFL position coach who I know personally who married a Brit and now lives in the UK, and that person is no longer in the organisation. The other is someone I started engaging with through a scouting forum before they got a formal job in the league and long before they worked for the Bills. Ah ok. Very cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 hour ago, Back2Buff said: These draft trades very rarely end up equal. If this was true then those charts would change because they'd be inaccurate, that's just fundamentally poor logic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Do you think they have every player on their board ? It could be between 80-120 odd… Does he need to have knowledge of all 120 picks ? Yeah, he does. Because Beane does and that’s how they build their draft board? How else would you rank the prospects? Do you think Bishop was the best safety they scouted in the draft? Do you think Carter was the best DT? Do you think Coleman was the best WR? No. Of course not. They scouted guys that they thought were better and ranked higher and guys they thought were worse and ranked lower. So when they get a third rounder in a trade, they can look at the top of the board and see whose available. Because they already made a board with ALL THEIR SCOUTED DRAFTABLE PLAYERS ON IT. Thats what the GM DOES. You are just demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding of how drafts work. Your contention is that McD: 1. Has prescient knowledge of what players will be available when the Bills pick and scouts ONLY THOSE PLAYERS 2. Has prescient knowledge about trades that haven’t happened yet and scouts ONLY THOSE PLAYERS that will be available when they are picking to borrow some British slang, that’s just complete rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: If this was true then those charts would change because they'd be inaccurate, that's just fundamentally poor logic. Not sure if you are aware, but there are about 10 or more different charts out there. Places have tried to change the pick valuations based on recent activity. The most known one is the Jimmy Johnson, but there are so many other charts out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 minute ago, Back2Buff said: Not sure if you are aware, but there are about 10 or more different charts out there. Places have tried to change the pick valuations based on recent activity. The most known one is the Jimmy Johnson, but there are so many other charts out there. Yeah that's not what you were arguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: Yeah, he does. Because Beane does and that’s how they build their draft board? How else would you rank the prospects? Do you think Bishop was the best safety they scouted in the draft? Do you think Carter was the best DT? Do you think Coleman was the best WR? No. Of course not. They scouted guys that they thought were better and ranked higher and guys they thought were worse and ranked lower. So when they get a third rounder in a trade, they can look at the top of the board and see whose available. Because they already made a board with ALL THEIR SCOUTED DRAFTABLE PLAYERS ON IT. Thats what the GM DOES. You are just demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding of how drafts work. Your contention is that McD: 1. Has prescient knowledge of what players will be available when the Bills pick and scouts ONLY THOSE PLAYERS 2. Has prescient knowledge about trades that haven’t happened yet and scouts ONLY THOSE PLAYERS that will be available when they are picking to borrow some British slang, that’s just complete rubbish. Ok …let’s start with safety …. How many are on their board say Rounds 2-4 … 6 maybe ? How much time has be got to spend scouting these guys ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Ok …let’s start with safety …. How many are on their board say Rounds 2-4 … 6 maybe ? How much time has be got to spend scouting these guys ? The board that Beane made without McD’s input at all? The one that has every other position on it? The one that may have a WR, RB, DT and a DE in between the first and second safety? How does McD move a safety prospect up or down without scouting the other players in between? Magic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 minute ago, FireChans said: The board that Beane made without McD’s input at all? The one that has every other position on it? The one that may have a WR, RB, DT and a DE in between the first and second safety? How does McD move a safety prospect up or down without scouting the other players in between? Magic? Yes … that board … So how much time to scout the safeties ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Yes … that board … So how much time to scout the safeties ? You didn’t answer my question. How would McD say “I think this third round grade safety should be higher than this third round grade WR (that I didn’t scout)?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 I enjoyed this. Whoever edited the piece did a very good job. NFL Teams have a tendency to really go over the top with the editing and it drives me crazy. This was very well done. and this cracked me up. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just now, FireChans said: You didn’t answer my question. How would McD say “I think this third round grade safety should be higher than this third round grade WR (that I didn’t scout)?” Im starting with the safeties first …we can move onto the other positions later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Im starting with the safeties first …we can move onto the other positions later They are all on the same board! You do not understand how drafts work. At all. I’m not trying to be mean, but you really do not get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just now, FireChans said: They are all on the same board! You do not understand how drafts work. At all. I’m not trying to be mean, but you really do not get it. Well.. you thought that they had every player on their board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: FBS school, small size, not much of a run player. But MAN he can rush the passer. What round did you have him as a target at roughly? I also heard he's more of a 3-4 guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Well.. you thought that they had every player on their board No, I didn’t. Again, you’re assuming that McD also knows what players that AREN’T on his board WILL be drafted before the Bills pick. How have we not won a Super Bowl with this oracle running the show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said: What round did you have him as a target at roughly? I also heard he's more of a 3-4 guy I had a late 4th on him, so to get him in the 5th was good for me. I think he has been pinned more as a 3-4 guy because he is small to play a 4-3 base end but I actually like him with his hand in the dirt, I just think he is probably always a pass rush specialist more than a 3 down player. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 11 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Well.. you thought that they had every player on their board You are being deliberately obtuse at this point rather than just admit you have no idea what you are talking about and move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 14 hours ago, Dr Krentist said: If I heard correctly, he had the most sacks last year. Why did he drop to the 5th round? 16 sacks. He isn't 6'4 or 6'5 is why he dropped and it's stupid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: 16 sacks. He isn't 6'4 or 6'5 is why he dropped and it's stupid. Former Bills UDFA Eric Striker was a very productive EDGE in college that didn’t have enough sand in his pants to stick in the NFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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