Top 5 QB and Top 5 WR salary cannot coexist on a SB team

[Big Blitz]

Closest I’ve found is Stafford and Kupp.  
 

But the Rams swapped out Goff for Stafford and had plenty in place.  
 

I think the simple answer for those wondering what’s going on in the hunt for WRs like Higgins and Ayiuk are pipe dreams.  
 

You cannot build a SB roster with top WR and top QB money.  You will be depleted in areas that actually matter in winning.  
 

The trenches. 
 

That’s the fan disconnect.  However, that’s why you’re right to want to get one on a rookie deal and why it’s so vital to hit on them in the draft.  
 

 

But it appears this is a league wide approach to the cap.  Cousins is gone in Minnesota as they prepare to pay JJ.  Higgins and Aiyuk this is 100 percent the last year on their teams.  
 

Don’t be shocked if this is Goff’s last year in Detroit.  
 

Just looks like the Chiefs were ahead of the curve with Hill and we were 1 year too late with Diggs.  Unfortunately one of Coleman’s years has Diggs dead cap.  I don’t know how there are still Diggs apologists left.  
 

 

Edited May 5 by Big Blitz

[Process]

Eagles have maybe the most stacked team in the league with Hurts' contract and not one but two WRs making huge money.

[GoBills808]

We don't have a top5QB salary

[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, Process said:

Eagles have maybe the most stacked team in the league with Hurts' contract and not one but two WRs making huge money.

Look at their cap for next year.  Hurts contract really kicks in for 25.  
 

Plus, they stink.  At least all their defense is on rookie deals.  
 

They really blew it vs the Chiefs.  They won’t be back.  

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

We don't have a top5QB salary

 

Correct but that doesn’t change the fact - look what teams are doing now or planning to do for 25 bc of positional value and percentage of cap hits.  

[90sBills]

14 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Just looks like the Chiefs were ahead of the curve with Hill and we were 1 year too late with Diggs.  One of Coleman’s years had Diggs dead cap.  I don’t know how they’re are still Diggs apologists left.  

You should be upset with Beane not Diggs. 

[harmonkillebrew]

It's a good point, but I think that's why most swallowed the Diggs trade as necessary medicine.

But to not double-down in the draft with such available talent, have many scratching their heads

[Big Blitz]

5 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

You should be upset with Beane not Diggs. 

 

Yea if I saw what was enough to trade him 24 in 23, I’d have done it.  Regardless how it affected our SB chances for 23.  
 

He proved in 23 and at the end of the season he wanted out.

 

Other than Nukua there weren’t any WRs to be had to replace Diggs in the draft. 

[Doc Brown]

Looking at it through Super Bowl winner's is such a narrow lens given the lucky bounces/injury luck that's required to win a Super Bowl.  Go back to 2011 (when the rookie wage scale kicked in) and give me the final four teams each season.  Off the top of my head, Falcons - Ryan and Jones.  Cardinals - Warner and Fitzgerald.  Cowboys - Romo and Bryant.  Steelers - Roethliberger and Brown.  Saints - Brees and Colston.  Packers - Rodgers and Adams.  It can be done.  You just have to spend smartly elsewhere.

[Big Blitz]

Just now, harmonkillebrew said:

It's a good point, but I think that's why most swallowed the Diggs trade as necessary medicine.

But to not double-down in the draft with such available talent, have many scratching their heads

 

See I no longer think it was this deep class.  
 

1-3 are probably going to be elite.  
 

The rest are exciting hope to hit prospects.  Some of which are over 22/23 years old and I’m not losing sleep over them.  
 

I’m glad we got Coleman.  I think not double dipping is an acknowledgement that Shakir is a massive part of this offense. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I think have a top QB like Allen can make a WR who isn't considered top 10 look like he's all Pro.  For those reasons I'm not as worried about the WR group as many here. 

 

Recall what supposedly told Diggs when he first got here, just get open and catch the ball, I don't care about anything else.  Can see that being the case this year again too.  Now admittedly with a rookie , the knowing how to get open at the NFL level can be a bit tougher than he may think, may take some time whomever it was.

[NORWOODS FOOT]

41 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

It's a good point, but I think that's why most swallowed the Diggs trade as necessary medicine.

But to not double-down in the draft with such available talent, have many scratching their heads

That’s just it. I realize Bean has his plan, but don’t you think Roman Wilson at 60 is a good bet to be one of our top 4 and done a lot for the team?
 

Beane had other things prioritized higher than a second receiver. Not what I would have done. We shall see…

Edited May 4 by NORWOODS FOOT

[harmonkillebrew]

14 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

I think have a top QB like Allen can make a WR who isn't considered top 10 look like he's all Pro.  For those reasons I'm not as worried about the WR group as many here. 

 

Recall what supposedly told Diggs when he first got here, just get open and catch the ball, I don't care about anything else.  Can see that being the case this year again too.  Now admittedly with a rookie , the knowing how to get open at the NFL level can be a bit tougher than he may think, may take some time whomever it was.

I think Allen can do some of that, but he's not Brady or Rodgers. Even Brady has Randy Moss, Gronk, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, etc... guys that were all-pros without Brady.  Allen needs guys that can actually catch his rockets and because of his arm he can hit passes that Brady could never have made, opening up different areas of the field, especially downfield. But with Joe Brady's dink and dunk offense and Beane's decision to not get speedier WRs, we're wasting one of Allen's talent of attacking downfield 

[H2o]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Look at their cap for next year. Hurts contract really kicks in for 25.  
 

Plus, they stink.  At least all their defense is on rookie deals.  

Have you taken a look at their roster? Hurts, Saquon, AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, DeVante Parker, Parris Campbell, they drafted Will Shipley, and they still have Kenneth Gainwell. I think they have a big time bounce back year and take that division with ease, especially if Barkley is healthy all season long. He is going to eat in that offensive scheme. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they ended up in the SB again. 

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

 

See I no longer think it was this deep class.  
 

1-3 are probably going to be elite.  
 

The rest are exciting hope to hit prospects.  Some of which are over 22/23 years old and I’m not losing sleep over them.  
 

I’m glad we got Coleman.  I think not double dipping is an acknowledgement that Shakir is a massive part of this offense. 

if Shakir is a massive piece he’s going to be too expensive and this was the year to draft likely developmental guy to replace him in 2 years (similar to Davis and Shakir requiring 2 years to be trusted)

Edited May 4 by NoSaint

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

I think have a top QB like Allen can make a WR who isn't considered top 10 look like he's all Pro.  For those reasons I'm not as worried about the WR group as many here. 

 

Recall what supposedly told Diggs when he first got here, just get open and catch the ball, I don't care about anything else.  Can see that being the case this year again too.  Now admittedly with a rookie , the knowing how to get open at the NFL level can be a bit tougher than he may think, may take some time whomever it was.

Not that I don’t agree but isn’t a receiver that can consistently ‘get open’ be top 10 regardless of who the qb is?

[PBF81]

That's why the Draft is key, to get a top WR w/o a top-5 salary.  This needs to be explained to McBeane.  

 

 

 

 

[Maine-iac]

That's why you get a top 5 QB with a top 5 TE and mix and match veterans and draft picks at WR with team friendly contracts.  NE and then the Chiefs working that game.  Possibly throw in TB with Gronk and Brady to further that argument.  Just realized Eagles leading reciever was Ertz when they beat the Pats in 17.

Edited May 4 by Maine-iac

[First Round Bust]

3 hours ago, harmonkillebrew said:

It's a good point, but I think that's why most swallowed the Diggs trade as necessary medicine.

But to not double-down in the draft with such available talent, have many scratching their heads

double down...best I can tell no position on the team will carry two rookies on the active roster, that is keeper draft choices not exposed to being cut-waved...you want one on the active roster and PS ? then I think we can find somethug come the Sept big cut, serves the same purpose but saves draft capital ?  

 

More concerned with who is going to return kicks and punts, not sure that specialist is on the roster and I dont think they trust a rook to do that.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

if Shakir is a massive piece he’s going to be too expensive and this was the year to draft likely developmental guy to replace him in 2 years (similar to Davis and Shakir requiring 2 years to be trusted)

This team does not believe in a steady pipeline of WR talent. 

[Maine-iac]

Before 2019 is there a receiver other than Owens who led Buffalo in receiving that wasn't drafted by Buffalo?  I'm too lazy to look it all up but I can't think of one.  Mind you I only remember back to Reed and Burkett in the late 80's.