Bills sign Chase Claypool, Smoot, Jones

[Coach Tuesday]

19 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Agree, low risk/high reward type signing.

People keep saying this.  It is NOT low risk.  It is high risk.  Bringing a known loafer into one of the youngest WR rooms in the NFL has plenty of risk.  Hell, even the OC isn’t 40 years old.  Who is the adult who is going to alpha that group?

[MasterStrategist]

14 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

People keep saying this.  It is NOT low risk.  It is high risk.  Bringing a known loafer into one of the youngest WR rooms in the NFL has plenty of risk.  Hell, even the OC isn’t 40 years old.  Who is the adult who is going to alpha that group?

This isn't Beane/McD 1st rodeo.  You act like this was a "fan driven" decision.

 

Beane and his staff are giving him a "chance" to resurrect his career.  They see anything that is negatively impacting the team, they aren't afraid to cut him.

 

Just because he's signed, doesn't mean they have to hold onto him any longer than they so choose.  

 

Claypool hasn't been a training camp distraction.  If he makes the 53, let's see how he handles himself when/if the team starts losing.  

 

Low risk= cut him whenever you want/Low $ contract to sacrifice dead cap

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

People keep saying this.  It is NOT low risk.  It is high risk.  Bringing a known loafer into one of the youngest WR rooms in the NFL has plenty of risk.  Hell, even the OC isn’t 40 years old.  Who is the adult who is going to alpha that group?

 

What is Anquan Boldin doing these days?  

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I think Smoot and Jones should outright make this roster. 

[Sierra Foothills]

3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

People keep saying this.  It is NOT low risk.  It is high risk.  Bringing a known loafer into one of the youngest WR rooms in the NFL has plenty of risk.  Hell, even the OC isn’t 40 years old.  Who is the adult who is going to alpha that group?

 

Claypool will be gone at the first sign of trouble.

 

There's no way he's not on a short leash.

 

[Coach Tuesday]

7 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Claypool will be gone at the first sign of trouble.

 

There's no way he's not on a short leash.

 

I don’t think he even makes it to first cuts.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

15 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I don’t think he even makes it to first cuts.

Whats the reason for his release?

[Fan in Chicago]

11 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

This isn't Beane/McD 1st rodeo.  You act like this was a "fan driven" decision.

 

Beane and his staff are giving him a "chance" to resurrect his career.  They see anything that is negatively impacting the team, they aren't afraid to cut him.

 

Just because he's signed, doesn't mean they have to hold onto him any longer than they so choose.  

 

Claypool hasn't been a training camp distraction.  If he makes the 53, let's see how he handles himself when/if the team starts losing.  

 

Low risk= cut him whenever you want/Low $ contract to sacrifice dead cap

They don't have a good track record of reclamation projects esp at the WR position. Sure he can be cut but imo it's wasted effort. For someone who couldn't translate his abilities into performance with 2 teams, it is very unlikely that the Bills will succeed. And takes away coaching time on a plan with low chance of success. 

[oldmanfan]

Every one of these guys is a low risk move.  If they turn up well in camp, then they provide an asset to the team.  If not they get cut.

[Coach Tuesday]

36 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Whats the reason for his release?

Being the same uninvested knucklehead that he’s always been.  Waiting/hoping for people to change is a poor life strategy.

[Matt_In_NH]

12 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

People keep saying this.  It is NOT low risk.  It is high risk.  Bringing a known loafer into one of the youngest WR rooms in the NFL has plenty of risk.  Hell, even the OC isn’t 40 years old.  Who is the adult who is going to alpha that group?

It is low risk because there is no financial commitment and no one is depending on Claypool.  He will not be a bad apple that spoils the bunch because the Bills organization is driven by leadership.  If he starts with nonsense he will be gong.

[boyst]

13 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

I mean Claypool is a scratch off: bought cheap when the main shopping was done. Getting nothing is not the end of the world and getting anything makes it worth the investment.

 

For what it's worth, Arthur Moats said in his show that Claypool has at minimum the talent to be Gabe Davis. He certainly had that production in his first two years, but consistency was an issue. His bidding power has been right-sized by 1.5 years with Fields and a half season behind Tyreek Hill and Waddle in the depth chart.

 

The question is if he knows this is his last chance 

 

Moats has a show? didn't know that. always liked him. 

[Bray Wyatt]

I had heard that he took the death of Dwayne haskins hard and that was possibly the reason for his attitude/lack of caring.

 

Not sure if there is any truth to that, but could explain some effort issues

[Back2Buff]

It's a little crazy to think that if Claypool's production in year 1 and 2, were actually in year 3 and 4, he would have got a Gabe Davis contract.  Instead he just signed for 25k guaranteed, where he can only earn a max of 1.225 million.

[racketmaster]

There is no risk in signing Claypool and only upside. Bills need Claypool, Cephus or Hamler to step up and contribute to the receiving corps this year. I would bet on Claypool being the one due to his high end talent and ability to stay healthy. Hamler is constantly dealing with injuries but an explosive player when available and Cephus is a contested catch machine but lacks the explosiveness and speed to be a consistent threat. 
 

i actually think Claypool (25 years old) and 2nd round pick has the chance to get significant playing time while Coleman (still very raw as a route runner and young at 20) can acclimate to the NFL game. Claypool must know this is his last chance to play in the NFL or he will be suiting up in Canada so I’d expect you will see the best of what he has to offer. 
 

I understand fans dismissing Claypool as washed but when you think about it for a minute, is that really true? Claypool immediately makes an impact as a rookie scoring 9 tds (adds 2 more rushing) and nearly 900 receiving yards on a team with Juju and Dionte and an aging qb in Big Ben. Claypool emerged as a playmaker right out of the gate and showed the ability to seperate, run away from dbs and make some crazy contested catches. 

 

In his second year he has more receiving yardage but a few less touchdowns playing with Big Ben whose arm had fallen off and Mason Rudolf who is not a good qb. Claypool was essentially putting up the same yardage numbers as Curtis Samuel has had in his best years as both have been talents but played with poor qbs. 
 

Now things go off the rails for Claypool in his 3rd year. George Pickens (is a monster) arrives on the scene and plays a similar role at the x spot. They also have terrible qb play with trubisky and Rudolf and Claypool gets frustrated and Matt Canada has him playing more inside and also rotating in and out. Claypool likely believes he can be doing more based on success of first 2 years and is shipped to Chicago for a high second round pick before trade deadline. 
 

Second half if year 3 and year 4 is where people change thoughts on Claypool and begin to think he is washed. But being traded to Chicago mid season to play with Justin Fields, what does one expect? Football is not like basketball or hockey where you can just line up and play after a trade, especially at the wr position. It is hard to pick up the playbook and play fast and confident. So year 3 ends as a disaster for Claypool and Chicago add DJ Moore in off season. 

 

Year 4, Moore is now the guy as well as Mooney being there but they still have Fields at qb who is struggling. Moore is an underrated top end talent that is highly versatile. He works with Fields because he can make plays at all 3 levels and has run after catch ability. But Mooney is talented and struggling to make plays and Claypool disappears as Fields is not good enough to make more than 1 wr have success. Claypool calls out offensive coordinator and is benched and again traded mid season to Miami. Again, not knowing playbook and being behind Hill and Waddle, why would anyone expect any real success. 
 

Claypool has been traded the last 2 seasons mid season which generally dooms a wr from any legitimate success because they struggle to have to learn new playbook. Did Claypool probably have a bad attitude and think too highly of himself after 2 successful seasons, most likely. But having poor qb play and poor offensive coordinators can push a young immature player over the edge. In Miami, he again showed up mid season and was not beating out the 2 studs in front of him. 
 

He now finds himself in probably the best situation of his career and hopefully he takes advantage. He has the off season to learn the playbook and gain trust of Allen. He may be the most accomplished wr in the team as he has posted the best numbers for a season out of any of our wrs. He probably is the most physically gifted wr we have on the team when size and speed are taken into account. One could argue Coleman, but Coleman lacks the speed and burst to run away from defenders like Claypool. Coleman might have edge in vertical for jump balls but both have excellent body control for their size. Samuel is also physically gifted but does not have the size and has had trouble with nagging injuries. Long way of saying if Claypool puts in the work and is focused to salvage his career, he should make this team and probably start over Coleman to allow the rookie time to develop. If that happens, he could post some good numbers playing with Allen who is by far the best qb he will have played with. 

Edited May 7 by racketmaster

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

55 minutes ago, boyst said:

Moats has a show? didn't know that. always liked him. 

It popped on YouTube when I was looking for content. I remember him saying he wanted to do broadcasting 

[boyst]

34 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

It popped on YouTube when I was looking for content. I remember him saying he wanted to do broadcasting 

99% sure he is in this video, also

 

[ColoradoBills]

2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Being the same uninvested knucklehead that he’s always been.  Waiting/hoping for people to change is a poor life strategy.

 

LOL.  You think Brandon Beane's "life strategy" is dependent on Chase Claypoole's career outcome in Buffalo?

Claypoole has been a "knucklehead".  He's down to his last chance in his NFL career.  No one is waiting on him, the choice is his.

 

FTR, I have known many family members and friends who changed their life ways in their middle 20s.  The only one who knows what kind of effort

Chase Claypoole will put in is Chase.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Being the same uninvested knucklehead that he’s always been.  Waiting/hoping for people to change is a poor life strategy.

Giving people an opportunity isn’t a poor life strategy. Being given an opportunity also doesn’t mean they get a clean slate or leeway either. 
 

It’s what I do for a living.

 

The one person who takes advantage usually helps make up for the 9 that don’t though. 

If Claypool is lazy, or an issue, he’ll be gone quick.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Being the same uninvested knucklehead that he’s always been.  Waiting/hoping for people to change is a poor life strategy.

So you’re predicting the Bills offense and QB will be bad?