Keon Coleman: Josh Allen texted me “You’re the guy I want”

[MrEpsYtown]

3 hours ago, teef said:

great.  now i'm signed up for a men's talking circle.

Haha “talking” 

[Simon]

20 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

10000% disagree, do any other teams incorporate this strategy into their draft philosophy besides the Bills? I’ve literally never heard of such a thing. Do you think Sidney Crosby tells the GM who he likes or wants to play with?

 

Every single team worth its salt shows their leadership the courtesy of listening.

It certainly doesn't mean they are going to do whatever the captain says, but it creates a sense of ownership that is valuable in every locker room.

[Chaos]

I doubt very many people who post on the board, feel as though they know better who the best offensive players to pick are, better than Brandon Beane. 
I doubt very many people who post on the board, feel as though they know better who the best offensive players to pick are, better than Andy Reid/Chiefs. 

I think a lot of people suspect the Chiefs know how do do things better than the Bills (based on Super Bowls won recently).   I think some of these people are concerned that the Chiefs with Worthy will have better results that the Bills with Coleman.  If they stopped to think about it, I suppose that if the Chiefs picked Coleman and the Bills picked Worthy, they would have the exact same concerns. 

As fan who thinks there is a .000001 percent chance the NFL is scripted, I am sad going into the season afraid that the Bills are going to lose in the scripted playoffs on a Mahomes to Worthy pass.  Mocking the Bills is a pretty joyful thing for a lot of NFL fans (sometimes even Bills fans, because if you don't laugh you have to cry)

 

 

 

Edited April 30 by Chaos

[Putin]

6 minutes ago, Chaos said:

I doubt very many people who post on the board, feel as though they know better who the best offensive players to pick are, better than Brandon Beane. 
I doubt very many people who post on the board, feel as though they know better who the best offensive players to pick are, better than Andy Reid/Chiefs. 

I think a lot of people suspect the Chiefs know how do do things better than the Bills (based on Super Bowls won recently).   I think some of these people are concerned that the Chiefs with Worthy will have better results that the Bills with Coleman.  If they stopped to think about it, I suppose that if the Chiefs picked Coleman and the Bills picked Worthy, they would have the exact same concerns. 

As fan who thinks there is a .000001 percent chance the NFL is scripted, I am sad going into the season afraid that the Bills are going to lose in the scripted playoffs on a Mahomes to Worthy pass.  Mocking the Bills is a pretty joyful thing for a lot of NFL fans (sometimes even Bills fans, because if you don't laugh you have to cry)

 

 

 

I don’t understand 

[Chaos]

Just now, Putin said:

I don’t understand 

Ok

[wppete]

This guy is amazing. Very detailed talking about ball. Love this pick. 
 

 

[RyanC883]

This is good to hear.  Esp with a WR who may have some route running issues initially (lack of separation).  Shows the QB and SR likely to work together in the offseason to get ahead. of those issues and be in the same page.  

[BigDingus]

Separation has been his biggest red flag, but there are routes where he's been very successful.

 

He's probably not going to be someone you have running go routes, but he's been touted as a "big slot" guy. Every year, it seems like someone is the new "slot guy" for us, whether it be Kincaid last year, or Shakir before that.

 

The video I grabbed this graphic from reviewed the last 32 players that finished in the 35% or under percentile in terms of separation in college, and only 5 players were "hits" or close to it.

 

Those players were:

 

1. Amon-Ra St. Brown

2. Cooper Kupp

3. Juju Smith-Schuster

4. Tyler Boyd

5. Rashee Rice

 

He's in the 20th percentile for man coverage, 19th against press. However, he's at 80% against zone, so that's one major plus in bag already.

 

Edited May 1 by BigDingus

[dave mcbride]

3 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

The QB should have zero say in personnel decisions. I really don’t understand this team. 

Dalton Kincaid begs to differ

33 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

Separation has been his biggest red flag, but there are routes where he's been very successful.

 

He's probably not going to be someone you have running go routes, but he's been touted as a "big slot" guy. Every year, it seems like someone is the new "slot guy" for us, whether it be Kincaid last year, or Shakir before that.

 

The video I grabbed this graphic from reviewed the last 32 players that finished in the 35% or under percentile in terms of separation in college, and only 5 players were "hits" or close to it.

 

Those players were:

 

1. Amon-Ra St. Brown

2. Cooper Kupp

3. Juju Smith-Schuster

4. Tyler Boyd

5. Rashee Rice

 

He's in the 20th percentile for man coverage, 19th against press. However, he's at 80% against zone, so that's one major plus in bag already.

 

So much of this is dependent on who the qb is who is throwing to you. I’d love to see the split between MSU and FSU. Travis was FSU’s best qb by far, but that doesn’t mean he was/is actually good.

[Jay_Fixit]

3 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

10000% disagree, do any other teams incorporate this strategy into their draft philosophy besides the Bills? I’ve literally never heard of such a thing. Do you think Sidney Crosby tells the GM who he likes or wants to play with?

Hey guy, I don’t know you in real life but your posts are really bad in real life.

[CincyBillsFan]

3 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

The QB should have zero say in personnel decisions. I really don’t understand this team. 

I live in Cincinnati and Joe Burrow literally spent months publicly advocating for the Bengal's to draft Chase.  How did that work out for the Bengals.

 

 

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I live in Cincinnati and Joe Burrow literally spent months publicly advocating for the Bengal's to draft Chase.  How did that work out for the Bengals.

 

 

I came in here to post the exact thing, almost word for word. Except, technically, I live in Springfield Township. And to be fair, the Bengals may have been better off with Penei Sewell but that is another conversation all together. 

[nedboy7]

This is getting so hot.  Jesus 

[Low Positive]

18 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

This is getting so hot.  Jesus 

People have decided to be negative. There is no moving Buffalo fans off that position. Let them wallow.

[Chicken Boo]

12 hours ago, Your Brown Eye said:

bUt ThE dRaFt GuRuS hErE sAyS hE sUcKs 

 

Maybe.  We'll see.  

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

10000% disagree, do any other teams incorporate this strategy into their draft philosophy besides the Bills? I’ve literally never heard of such a thing. Do you think Sidney Crosby tells the GM who he likes or wants to play with?

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs/draft/connection-with-patrick-mahomes-sparked-kc-chiefs-rashee-rice-pick

 

Quote

On Bleacher Report's B/R Gridiron NFL Draft broadcast, Adam Lefkoe revealed that Mahomes threw with Rice down in Dallas this offseason in addition to the 23-year-old wideout having a top-30 visit with the team:

 

"So I'm texting with (Patrick) Mahomes right now and was like, 'Do you like this guy?' And he says, 'I threw with him in Dallas.' He said, 'You know I put my input on all offensive guys.' I'm like, 'I know you do.' That's part of the reason why I love Mahomes. He's not one of these quarterbacks that's like, 'I'll see you in the offseason.' He's in there talking to Veach going, 'This is the guy that I want.'

 

"Similar thing that happened with Skyy Moore, if you remember that, probably also why he was throwing out with Zay (Flowers) — Pat worked out with this guy, threw with him out in Dallas and he said, 'I want this guy,' and you get him. He's going to play very early on. Rashee Rice, the new weapon for Pat."

 

Good enough for you?

[Chicken Boo]

41 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs/draft/connection-with-patrick-mahomes-sparked-kc-chiefs-rashee-rice-pick

 

 

Good enough for you?

 

CJ Stroud hadn't even singed his contract and he had influence on the Texans drafting Tank Dell.

 

Josh telling the powers that be that he wants a sure-handed big target isn't a big deal at all to me. 

Edited May 1 by Chicken Boo

[Richard Noggin]

5 hours ago, Chaos said:

I doubt very many people who post on the board, feel as though they know better who the best offensive players to pick are, better than Brandon Beane. 
I doubt very many people who post on the board, feel as though they know better who the best offensive players to pick are, better than Andy Reid/Chiefs. 

I think a lot of people suspect the Chiefs know how do do things better than the Bills (based on Super Bowls won recently).   I think some of these people are concerned that the Chiefs with Worthy will have better results that the Bills with Coleman.  If they stopped to think about it, I suppose that if the Chiefs picked Coleman and the Bills picked Worthy, they would have the exact same concerns. 

As fan who thinks there is a .000001 percent chance the NFL is scripted, I am sad going into the season afraid that the Bills are going to lose in the scripted playoffs on a Mahomes to Worthy pass.  Mocking the Bills is a pretty joyful thing for a lot of NFL fans (sometimes even Bills fans, because if you don't laugh you have to cry)

 

 

 

 

I wish you were right. Would be a better world. But I fear "very many people...feel as though they know better" than whomever disagrees with them. In general. This board is better than most forums, to be clear. 

 

I think fans generally wanted a speedy deep threat WR (because we don't really have that threat on the roster), and would have LOVED if we traded with KC and they took Coleman...and ultimately we took Worthy. Was even getting to the point where Worthy was the guy I wanted the Bills to draft above all others, and thought he'd be gone by 28. (Conversely, I definitely also shared some posts here the past few months proclaiming my counterintuitive optimism for Keon Coleman's prospects, given his combine gauntlet and best-in-class hands. Earlier in the winter, I was definitely concerned with Coleman's contested catch rate, lumping him in with the likes of Q Johnson and N'Keal Harry. It's been a journey.)

 

3 hours ago, BigDingus said:

Separation has been his biggest red flag, but there are routes where he's been very successful.

 

He's probably not going to be someone you have running go routes, but he's been touted as a "big slot" guy. Every year, it seems like someone is the new "slot guy" for us, whether it be Kincaid last year, or Shakir before that.

 

The video I grabbed this graphic from reviewed the last 32 players that finished in the 35% or under percentile in terms of separation in college, and only 5 players were "hits" or close to it.

 

Those players were:

 

1. Amon-Ra St. Brown

2. Cooper Kupp

3. Juju Smith-Schuster

4. Tyler Boyd

5. Rashee Rice

 

He's in the 20th percentile for man coverage, 19th against press. However, he's at 80% against zone, so that's one major plus in bag already.

 

 

Is the color-coding on these route graphics inconsistent? Slant and Screen routes, for example, are mis-colored on both infographics, according to their own internal logic. 

[Awwufelloff]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs/draft/connection-with-patrick-mahomes-sparked-kc-chiefs-rashee-rice-pick

 

 

Good enough for you?

Kind of proves my point. Rice and Moore aren't exactly good based on where they were selected. QBs shouldn’t have a say in talent evaluation. They had the worst wr core in NFL last year with the most dropped passes. 
 

This must only happen in football, I follow hockey pretty closely and no NHL players are involved in selecting draft picks they want to play with. Just doesn’t happen. 

Edited May 1 by Awwufelloff

[Royale with Cheese]

16 hours ago, teef said:

great.  now i'm signed up for a men's talking circle.

Circle + Teef + Men = Netflix docuseries 

4 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

Kind of proves my point. Rice and Moore aren't exactly good based on where they were selected. QBs shouldn’t have a say in talent evaluation. They had the worst wr core in NFL last year with the most dropped passes. 
 

This must only happen in football, I follow hockey pretty closely and no NHL players are involved in selecting draft picks they want to play with. Just doesn’t happen. 

What?  80 receptions, just under 1,000 yards and 7 TD’s is not good for a second round rookie?  
Yeah, it didn’t work for the Chiefs last year or the year before.