It really comes down to Brady

[LeGOATski]

It's going to be really interesting to see how Brady uses the TEs. Either he utilizes a lot of two TE sets or else Dawson Knox is not going to see much playing time.

 

Based on his history, Brady will want to use 1 TE (Kincaid) with Coleman and Samuel on the outside and Shakir in the slot.

 

But using Knox on the end and Kincaid in the slot I think makes more sense if they want to be a dominant running team.

 

Just keep it simple and out-execute the other team.

[GASabresIUFan]

This is going to be the most dynamic offense the Bills have run with Josh Allen at the helm.

 

People are lamenting the loss of Diggs.  Don’t. He was becoming a burden to the success of the offense.  The requirement to feed him the football harmed our ability to get more players involved in the offense.

 

Shakir had only 5 targets in the first 6 weeks of the season and Kincaid only 19.  Once they started to involve Kincaid and Shakir, Digg’s reception % fell from 74% (weeks 1-6) to 62% for the rest of the season.  I don’t know if it was injury, sulking or something else, but the downturn in his play was significant and troubling.  
 

Beane has correctly decided that younger and cheaper is better going forward.  He has also decided, correctly, not to replace Diggs.  Instead he has decided to play “moneyball” with the Bills receiving group and make up the loss of Davis’ and Digg’s production in the aggregate by adding two players with needed skills to the two up and coming returning receivers (Shakir and Kincaid) and that is burner speed (Samuel) and a tough redzone/endzone target (Coleman), although I think Coleman’s presence will open space for Kincaid and Knox in that area.

 

Instead of having one Prima Donna suck all the oxygen out of the room (Diggs), Josh is free to pass to whomever is open without worrying about some guy sulking on the sidelines.  I’m looking forward to Josh targeting the guys who get open.

 

 I also think the combo of Cook and Davis is going to be a huge asset for the Bills.  Both will be strong in the passing game, but both will help us run out the clock when needed.  Teams that can throw the ball all over the place, but also grind out victories on the ground are a nightmare for DCs.   

Edited May 9 by GASabresIUFan

[Bkelly]

On 4/30/2024 at 9:29 AM, Sharky7337 said:

Going to disagree here. The talent is an issue because most of it is unproven we have 0 players with a 1000 yard receiving season.

Nope. Not the problem.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Some years, the Bills are this Brady:

Some years, they are this Brady:

Some years, they're this Brady:

[hondo in seattle]

20 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

The talent we have is decent.  And it would work for almost any QB.  But therein lies the problem, Josh Allen is not any QB!  Give the man two legitimate outside WRs!  Stop trying to have Josh outdo Brock Purdy and Mac Jones/Zach Wilson with the dink and dunk.

 

Brady made do with what he had last year.  He adjusted the offense to hide G Davis who singlehandedly got Dorsey fired.  Brady was also given permission to unleash Josh's running- which was a decision made during desperate times.

 

But in order to properly judge J Brady's abilities he should be supplied with a full arsenal of weapons.   This should include one top tier veteran WR (sorry C Samuel).  Then the offense should be dynamic, and if it then isn't Brady should be held accountable.

 

Teams are afraid of Josh's cannon arm and often use a two-high shell against us, or otherwise try to take away the long ball.  We must be able to dink and dunk and, so far, we haven't demonstrated a consistent ability to march down the field that way.  Despite some of the analytics on his route tree, I think that's why Coleman was drafted.  

 

I admit, though, I'd still love a legit Lee Evans type deep threat on this team.  Or better yet, an all-purpose stud receiver like Moulds or Reed.  I want the Bills to have the ability to threaten every inch of the gridiron and force opponents to try to defend everything.  

[Gregg]

21 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Some years, the Bills are this Brady:

Some years, they are this Brady:

Some years, they're this Brady:

 

Let's hope it's not cousin Oliver. The show was already circling the drain when he was added to the cast.

[nedboy7]

12 hours ago, PBF81 said:

In Brady's first two games as OC his offense averaged 33 points.

 

In his last five games it averaged a perfectly average 21.8.

 

The pressure's on.  

 

 

it’s the wins that matter. 

[dorquemada]

On 4/30/2024 at 8:55 AM, Blainorama5 said:

I think Brady's going to try to run the ball even more this season.... bigger WRs (Coleman, our FAs) and younger tough running RBs (Davis) will help that cause.  Preserve Josh this year as much as possible during a competitive but "transitional" year.  The only way Josh has a long career, imho - is with a VERY healthy running game.  No magic foresight there obviously, but I imagine that's the plan, by OBD.

 

But what do I know ??

 

I watched Davis a couple times in college.  He is absolutely going to surprise people.  He can be a punishing runner, and has great hands out of the backfield.  Between him and Cook i think we have a more balanced offense than we did a year ago, especially with Kincaid and Shakir with another year in camp

[Don Otreply]

 It comes down to;

 

1) Brady making the right play calls

 

2) The O-line and receivers / RBs executing correctly. 

 

3) Allen’s execution of the called play,

 

3a) To include taking the (high percentage) chain moving option even when he doesn’t want to, 😁

 

3b) So as to keep opposing offenses off the field as much as possible 😁👍

 

3c) Grinding down opposing defenses as much as possible, so that they are gassed halfway through the third quarter 😁👍👍

 

3d) Instead of our defense being gassed halfway through the third quarter 😁👍👍👍

 

Time of possession has multiple benefits…, 

 

I have more mind boggling insights for inquiring minds, 😂🤣😁👍🍸🚬

[Sharky7337]

On 5/1/2024 at 12:34 PM, Bkelly said:

Nope. Not the problem.

How'd that work out for gabe davis. I'll hang up and listen thanks!

[Rampant Buffalo]

On 4/30/2024 at 1:11 PM, ngbills said:

I still think Dorsey was a scapegoat and because we won more games under Brady it is viewed as "Brady is better". But reality was we won games because the D played a lot better and we turned the ball over less. The O stats were not that different.

 

You make a good point.

 

I was unimpressed with Ken Dorsey.

 

It's hard to fairly evaluate Brady, because he was stuck using a playbook designed by someone else. That said, taking the ball out of our best player's hands, and having James Cook run it up the middle instead for a 3 yard gain, hardly seems like a stroke of Bill Walsh level genius. 

 

Brady has the whole offseason to prepare. This time around, it will be his playbook. I'm sure he had considerable input into the decision to draft Coleman and sign Curtis Samuel. By the end of the season, we should have a pretty good gauge on what we have or don't have in the form of Joe Brady.

[ngbills]

9 hours ago, Rampant Buffalo said:

 

You make a good point.

 

I was unimpressed with Ken Dorsey.

 

It's hard to fairly evaluate Brady, because he was stuck using a playbook designed by someone else. That said, taking the ball out of our best player's hands, and having James Cook run it up the middle instead for a 3 yard gain, hardly seems like a stroke of Bill Walsh level genius. 

 

Brady has the whole offseason to prepare. This time around, it will be his playbook. I'm sure he had considerable input into the decision to draft Coleman and sign Curtis Samuel. By the end of the season, we should have a pretty good gauge on what we have or don't have in the form of Joe Brady.

Fingers crossed we get LSU results and not the CAR results...

[ColoradoBills]

On 5/1/2024 at 8:55 AM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

It will come down to Brady and the O-line. It all starts in the trenches. Give Josh long enough and he’ll find the open guy. Torrence is going into his sophomore year and looks to be a good one. Brady also had 2 legit weapons at TE and a top 5 RB. More than enough talent to scheme up a respectable squad. 

 

 

I too agree with Brady and the OL.

 

VPG has had a lot of college starts.  Also sounds like he is a pretty smart football player.

If he can start and not be a liability, having McGovern back at LG could really benefit him and fast-track his development.

 

Having Torrence going into his 2nd year should anchor him with Brown better.  That would mean Knox (when playing) can help

with blocking but release quicker and more often into his passing routes.

 

Sounds like Davis is pretty good at pass blocking.  If all these things can come together Josh could have cleaner pockets to play from.

I've been waiting for the day Josh can stay calm in the pocket for a little longer.  I think once he gets use to that he will be deadly.

[T master]

I believe you are correct sir, given the talent on this roster Brady just needs to play to these players strengths .

 

With what we saw from the running game last season and we haven't even seen a thing from the kid form Fl. that was drafted last season there shouldn't be a huge problem with finding some place on the field that Brady can exploit with these players . 

 

Josh will need to develop a chemistry with some of the new players but i feel by mid season he should have it down & utilize each of the weapons he has at his disposal .

[BigDingus]

On 5/1/2024 at 10:36 AM, GASabresIUFan said:

This is going to be the most dynamic offense the Bills have run with Josh Allen at the helm.

 

People are lamenting the loss of Diggs.  Don’t. He was becoming a burden to the success of the offense.  The requirement to feed him the football harmed our ability to get more players involved in the offense.

 

Shakir had only 5 targets in the first 6 weeks of the season and Kincaid only 19.  Once they started to involve Kincaid and Shakir, Digg’s reception % fell from 74% (weeks 1-6) to 62% for the rest of the season.  I don’t know if it was injury, sulking or something else, but the downturn in his play was significant and troubling.  
 

Beane has correctly decided that younger and cheaper is better going forward.  He has also decided, correctly, not to replace Diggs.  Instead he has decided to play “moneyball” with the Bills receiving group and make up the loss of Davis’ and Digg’s production in the aggregate by adding two players with needed skills to the two up and coming returning receivers (Shakir and Kincaid) and that is burner speed (Samuel) and a tough redzone/endzone target (Coleman), although I think Coleman’s presence will open space for Kincaid and Knox in that area.

 

Instead of having one Prima Donna suck all the oxygen out of the room (Diggs), Josh is free to pass to whomever is open without worrying about some guy sulking on the sidelines.  I’m looking forward to Josh targeting the guys who get open.

 

 I also think the combo of Cook and Davis is going to be a huge asset for the Bills.  Both will be strong in the passing game, but both will help us run out the clock when needed.  Teams that can throw the ball all over the place, but also grind out victories on the ground are a nightmare for DCs.   

 

I don't think anyone can say this is more dynamic than the year we added Diggs to pair up with Cole Beasley & John Brown (run by Daboll).

 

That's still Allen's best year, and we haven't had as exciting an offense as that since. 

Edited May 9 by BigDingus

[GASabresIUFan]

7 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

I don't see think anyone can say this is more dynamic than the year we added Diggs to pair up with Cole Beasley & John Brown (run by Daboll).

 

That's still Allen's best year, and we haven't had as exciting an offense as that since. 

2020 was certainly Josh’s best season throwing the ball.  Brown only played 9 games that season because of injury.  Davis was actually the no. 3.  However the offense itself in 2020 was not as balanced as it will be going forward.   Moss and Singletary had 1500 yards from scrimmage together. Cook alone last season had 1500.  
 

All that said, my post was about the coming year and how much better we became last season once Shakir and Kincaid got involved.  Too bad Diggs sulked his way out of town. 
 

I believe this coming season will feature a larger and more diverse group of playmakers than 2020; making the offense ultimately more dynamic. 

Edited May 9 by GASabresIUFan

[hondo in seattle]

It sounds like Brady's offense is going to be significantly different than last year's.  This is what Josh said:

 

“I think it remains to be seen, we’re putting in a lot of new stuff, a lot of different concepts that we typically haven’t ran since I’ve been here, which is very exciting for me.  I’m learning a whole new offense, and guys are excited. I think what coach Brady is doing right now is some really good stuff, and our guys are going out there and executing really well, and we’re just trying to learn, grow, and be the best that we can be.”

 

www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/learning-whole-new-offense-has-bills-josh-allen-excited-for-season-ahead/ar-BB1nqeev?ocid=BingNewsSerp

[Rockinon]

Coleman is going to be used in ways that Davis never could master. He will be running a lot of shorter routes. I see some folks have set their hair on fire because all they see is short routes and that isn't Josh's game. Some are thinking that we have an excellent RB room and are thinking that they will be used to set up the pass and while that's true to an extent, I think that many of us are over simplifying what the plan may actually be. I'm looking at some of the WRs that have speed and thinking there are quite a few of them. What is the plan for them?

 

It's my belief that guys like Coleman, the TEs and the RBs will all be used to set up a deep passing game. If your RBs are rushing and getting lots of short area work in the passing game, your TE's are getting short passes, Coleman is getting short passes, what is going to happen with that second safety? He's certainly going to creep closer to the LOS. That's when we're going to see one of those speedy smurfs streaking downfield deep. Perhaps Kincaid will get in on some of those deep balls.

 

Josh has to be able to reliably hit those short passes. Doing so opens up the deep pass. Brady likes to get all of the skill position players involved and that is not a bad thing. The offense is going to be mixing things up better. Gabe Davis couldn't catch a short pass to save his life and the safties on defense never had a good reason to creep closer to the LOS as a result. Coleman is going to change that with his sure hands and short routes. He's also got some run after the catch ability. I honestly think that defenses are going to be set up for the kill shot going deep.  I think that's what the offense wanted to do last year but couldn't entice a safety closer.  That's about to change. I also think there is work being done to improve run after the catch. The offense is going to be much less predictable this year with Diggs and Davis gone and an everybody eats philosophy.

 

In summary there is much more to the offense's skill position players than many believe. The skills are there to give a defense fits. All Brady has to do is keep mixing things up and spreading the ball around. Josh is going to have some fun this year elevating the team around him giving everyone their opportunity.

[Warcodered]

On 4/30/2024 at 12:11 PM, ngbills said:

I still think Dorsey was a scapegoat and because we won more games under Brady it is viewed as "Brady is better". But reality was we won games because the D played a lot better and we turned the ball over less. The O stats were not that different. The passing O definitely was worse with Brady, while rushing was better. But if you dig deeper much of the rushing improvement came via Allen's legs. Which because they were in much more desperation mode, I think they took the chains off Allen and let him run while during Dorsey's time in the early season they told Allen not to run. So since Brady was allowed to lean heavy on Allen it skews things. 

I am hopeful with an offseason Brady can put it together. But I dont think we can go a full 17 plus playoffs with the style he utilized with Allen as a bulldozer. He needs to get the passing game going much more than he was able to last year. 

No, watching the games with Dorsey and then with Brady the difference was visible. One offense came to a screeching halt, and one was finding different ways to get it done, pretty or ugly.

[Gunsgoodtime]

Not with this roster of Jags.  This is a drought era roster without Josh Allen, 0 elite playmaker outside of Allen, 0.  Ask any of your friends that is not a Bills fan to name 1.  A lot of outside opinions I have saw this year have the Bills finishing 3rd in division, yet on TBD we ate guaranteed the division and playoffs with a garbage roster outside of Allen 🤣