Buffalo Bills: Good, Not Great

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, Dillenger4 said:

WTF are you crying about?!?? He is known to get handled at the line of scrimmage. He is small and light. Fast, yes for sure. But he is bumped easily and can be covered. Also not a great route tree runner. That's his jam. We fleeced the Chefs. Now if we can manage to get the deal done with SF for Ayouk (two 2nr round pix) will you be happy. Cause its happening.

 

He's also like 170 lbs which is lighter than mckenzie.  I can't picture him ever being anything but a minus as a blocker.  

 

His tape also doesn't really show this guy as someone screaming down the field catching bombs.  

Just now, Bangarang said:

People also thought Reid was going to get a ton of production out of Kadarius Toney. You just never know.

 

Yup - a more flexible player, who is quicker and more of a yac threat.  His biggest impact was as a PR in the super bowl, and his drops all but knocked him out of the depth chart.  

[MJS]

8 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

People also thought Reid was going to get a ton of production out of Kadarius Toney. You just never know.

Or Hardman who had 4.3 speed but never amounted to much in KC.

 

I feel like speed is one of the less important attributes for a receiver. You just need to be fast enough. Then, all the other attributes take precedence, like release, separation, route running, and hands.

Edited April 26 by MJS

[Johnnycage46]

So much crying.

[Rigotz]

More loser talk. 

 

The Bills were 13 seconds away from beating the Chiefs in the playoffs, then two years later they were 2-3 plays away.

 

There is not a huge fundamental gap between them. They're not blowing us out. 

 

I don't know why some fans insist on acting like the Chiefs have every answer and the Bills have none. Their Hall of Fame Tight End is 34 years old. We have an elite one (or two) in their mid 20's. They drafted a WR we didn't want. Their other WR is going to be suspended. Who else do they have to throw to? We have plenty of picks to get young weapons of our own.

 

The Chiefs don't "own" the Bills, they've just beat us in close games in the playoffs. We beat them in their own home multiple times. Just chill out and stay positive.

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

This speed thing IMO is way overblown   I just calculated the difference between Worthy's time as the fast player in the NFL and Curtis Samuel time and it works out that the 40 yard distance would mean Worthy is not quite 1 yard down the field further than Samuel would be.  How many passes did Allen throw Diggs that were either way over thrown OR  way under thrown.  Also how many 40 yard completions are actually even made, my guess is less than 10%, and probably much less.  Now you take something that has less than a 10% success rate to start with and add to that was the pass has to be exactly there as the over or under thrown passes won't matter either.

 

Add also as has been stated combine 40 times and football times are totally different.  I'd also worry that with a guy who ways 165 pounds, how often will he be able to stay on the field.  I'm sure he'll bulk up some, but likely also slow down some as a result.  I doubt Worthy will run a 40 time as fast if his ribs or something else is hurting from hits he's taking.

 

Put all this together makes me question will defenses really worry all that much about him being a yard down the field further as they know the likelihood of success on that type of play is very low to begin with, so worry about the important things.

[gonzo1105]

They’ve been great but the Chiefs have been better. That’s no excuse but you can still be great and unfortunately never win the SB 

[Success]

We need a #1 WR - not a 165 pound gadget guy/speedster who has the dropsies.

 

[KingBoots8]

Just now, Success said:

We need a #1 WR - not a 165 pound gadget guy/speedster who has the dropsies.

 

He’s not even that fast. Rashee Rice can go 120mph 😂

[Mark80]

Gonna be so funny when Worthy flames out and all you cry babies look like idiots.  27 other teams passed on the fastest guy ever too.  How did the 4.22 ran by John Ross work out?  Yeah, 62 career receptions in a 5 year career.

Edited April 26 by Mark80

[NORWOODS FOOT]

Come on guys! Don’t be so mean. I have a Patrick Mahomes shaped hole in my heart and it’s bleeding. Don’t hurt me more!
 

🙄

 

i’m talking about teambuilding strategy, how we do it how the Chiefs do it and why they beat us. I would hope they’re having similar conversations at One Bills Drive. So maybe they’re crying too? 
 

I think the real loser mentality is saying that not winning a Super Bowl is good enough. But that’s just me. I like championships.

[The Frankish Reich]

39 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

IIRC buffalo signed KJ Hamler who has 4.4 speed

He HAD 4.4 speed. 

He actually flashed some potential with the Broncos, but he just couldn't stay on the field.

As for Worthy: after sleeping on it, I'm fine with the trade and passing on him. A lot of talk here about how he's 165 pounds (o.k., I'll give him 170) and how he'll get beat up in the NFL. I'm not so worried about getting beat up running routes. But receivers do need to block too, and I can't see him having the ability to do that. So everything is kind of screaming situational speed guy, not primary X receiver. Andy Reid no doubt feels that he can make that work. With our current WR room, I don't think the Bills could make it work.

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, NORWOODS FOOT said:

The Kansas City Chiefs evaluate players in a fundamentally different way than the Bills front office.   And then they coach and scheme using those players differently as well.

 

You touched on a lot of symptoms in your statement, this among them.  

 

That's the most directly relevant thing that you mentioned however.  It hasn't even mattered which players we have.  Logging stats and optimizing performance, both team as well as individual, are quite often two different things.  

 

We change our tactics during the season, and not in a good adjustment kind of way, rather more in the way of poke-n-hope and let's see what works and what doesn't, at least on offense.  The reason for it is that we really don't have any kind of offensive prowess on our staff.  Our prowess is all on the defensive side and we'll never hire any major offensive prowess as long as the situation from the top remains what it is.  If we did, all of our offensive players would be putting up better numbers, our offense would be scoring more, we'd be a lot more prolific and we'd be winning in the postseason.  

 

No need to get into the whys or why-nots, that's been done here ad tedium.  Just sayin'.  

 

This season will bear out much.  Last season we had quite a bit of fortune assist us in the end to our season, fortune that isn't even close to reliably repetitive to understate it.  That created false narratives on how good we really were to end the season.  We were very fortunate to even make the playoffs and were a loss away from not making them altogether.  We've had it pretty easy within our division so far, but now we've gotten somewhat worse, the amount TBD, while the Jets can only improve, same with the Pats, both of which beat us once last season, and with the Pats and Miami taking us to the wire in two of our wins.  

 

It's going to be an interesting and defining season.  

 

 

[Beast]

58 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Considering Andy Reid has struggled to find a productive WR in KC outside of Tyreek Hill, I’m going to say I don’t care. 

Rashee Rice had almost 1,000 yards as a rookie last season and really came on in the back end of the season. Don’t forget they still have him regardless of what suspension he will serve.

Edited April 26 by Beast

[PBF81]

1 minute ago, Beast said:

Rashee Rice had almost 1,000 yards as a rookie last season and really came on in ghe back end of the season. Don’t forget they still have him regardless of what suspension he will serve.

 

They're fine for this season.  The question is when will Kelce retire and what will their offensive game look like after that.  

 

 

[Beast]

Let’s not forget Worthy is an absolute weapon in the punt return game as well.