Bill Lewes Posted April 26 Posted April 26 I voted YES (gained value and still apparently gonna get our guy), ... but I did NOT enjoy staying up till midnight to watch the sausage being made ...
Gunvald's Husse Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 hour ago, PauleeeWalnuts said: No, the Bills could make whatever pick they wanted at 28, you just don’t help KC get who they want through you. Picking anyone except Worthy helped KC get who they wanted. This way they at least had to pay something extra 2
skibum Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Nice work, Beane: (a) The Bills didn't have the ammo to move up high enough to draft one of the top 3 receivers. (b) Nobody of the blue-chip persuasion dropped to 28. (c) The remaining talent level is overall very good, and the odds of hitting look pretty equal from 28 through at least the mid 2nd round. (d) Beane now holds by far the most valuable pick remaining. Lots of talent still on the board, and he has a full day to field offers from everyone else. One could argue that, given the talent level still available this year, holding pick 33 is worth more than any of the last 5-10 picks of round 1. I think the key will be acquiring as many picks above 150 as possible, as I understand there is a big drop-off in talent this year after that. 2 1
Thurman#1 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 "Like" is probably too strong this early. But I've got zero problem with it. It's generally a smart play to trade back. 2 hours ago, PauleeeWalnuts said: You don’t help the team that’s been eating your lunch for three years, plain and simple. You absolutely do if they'll almost certainly get the same help whether or not if's you that is helping them, and if helping them helps you more.
BillsFan130 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Nope. Said I would be happy with Brian Thomas, worthy or Legette. Didn't do a marginal trade up to get Thomas, and didn't pick worthy or Legette at 28 when they were sitting right there. Seems like the compensation they got from the trades weren't great, and it also sucks that the chiefs got the fastest guy ever in the NfL 1 1
DCOrange Posted April 26 Posted April 26 22 minutes ago, Mango said: Yeah. I read Franklin, I responded Franklin, But my brain short circuited and kept saying Coleman As someone that has Coleman in the conversation with Franklin for the #5 WR in the draft IMO, Coleman has a lot of red flags. Whoever takes him is gambling on him being a Josh Allen-esq outlier. I am bullish though. Very young, very inexperienced (split time between football and basketball up until the past two years), has the size, elusiveness, and hand-eye coordination that can't be taught and seemingly has the motor to make the most of his gifts. 1
Thurman#1 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 4 minutes ago, RousseauRage said: In a word, no. Especially the first move with the Chiefs. Maybe KC gets the pick right, maybe they don't. What ya don't do is hand the team that whoops your ass in the playoffs every year a chance a player of their choosing. So ***** stupid. Do you really think that if we say, "No," they just go hide in the basement and say, "Curses, foiled by the Bills"? They wouldn't. They'd have made the same offer, well, probably giving up less to the team at #29, or #30 and likely got them that way. Hell, he probably would still have been there at #32. No reason to think we'd have stopped them by refusing this offer, no reason whatsoever. So if they are going to get him anyway, much better that they only do it by paying us for the right to do it. 1 2
Bruffalo Posted April 26 Posted April 26 KC isn't great at picking WRs, so it's whatever that it's KC. I'm fine with it, but this place is going to implode if we go defense with the 33 pick. Ultimately I think it's fine, just double dip at WR in the top 100.
Buffalo Boy Posted April 26 Posted April 26 (edited) Every year, we pick someone in the first and many on here LOVE the “ Can’t miss, steal” of the draft we got. Someone should bring up the Sammy Watkins thread and everyone should read how they were absolutely CREAMING over the bold pick!!! Beane is doing a classic Patriots draft strategy here. It’s the one so many have wished for. Now , many think he’s a bum and doesn’t have a clue😒 He is apparently not as enamored with these wideouts as many are. I’ll trust him to get it right. Lastly, we have no idea what he has up his sleeve . Breathe people! In through the nose, out of the mouth, in through the nose, out of the mouth. Edited April 26 by Buffalo Boy 1
DrDawkinstein Posted April 26 Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Beane is doing a classic Patriots draft strategy here. Exactly what Im afraid of. When is the last time the Pats were good at drafting? 1
Motorin' Posted April 26 Posted April 26 What I really wanted was Beane to move up to grab Brian Thomas Jr for a 5th round pick. But I'm guessing the price was outrageous.
dave mcbride Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 hour ago, PauleeeWalnuts said: No, the Bills could make whatever pick they wanted at 28, you just don’t help KC get who they want through you. Aren’t they essentially hurting KC by forcing them to hand over their 3rd round pick to the bills in order to draft a guy they would have gotten anyway??? Asking for a friend. 2
Buffalo Boy Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Exactly what Im afraid of. When is the last time the Pats were good at drafting? This whole offseason has been Pats 101. I’ll give him the off season at least before I pull out my pitchfork.
Nephilim17 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Was fine with trade to KC — you couldn't stop them taking Worthy unless you take a player who's not on your board there. But I was really sad missing out on Legette.
FireChans Posted April 26 Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Exactly what Im afraid of. When is the last time the Pats were good at drafting? Pats draft strategy is draft ***** ***** players
UKBillFan Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Aren’t they essentially hurting KC by forcing them to hand over their 3rd round pick to the bills in order to draft a guy they would have gotten anyway??? Asking for a friend. Though why would the Chiefs trade up unless they feared they wouldn't get him? 1
Sestak4ever Posted April 26 Posted April 26 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I’ll see who we get with their 3rd rd pick and then decide. Gunner didn’t even have a 1st rd grade on Xavier worthy. Neither did Joe Marino. Chiefs would likely have taken him at 32 regardless. Bills clearly didn’t want him at 28. His nfl.com draft profile grade says “might eventually become an average starter” … Agree whole heartedly! Also the kid weighs 165 at the most. Highly unlikely he stands up to the punishment in the NFL. There are a very few who overcome that, but very few. Let’s add quality players without reaching. I think it’s a smart strategy. Also KC has become the new darlings of the media, just like the Cheatriots were previously. They were always considered the smartest at the draft and yet New England picks failed miserably for years.
Sweats Posted April 26 Posted April 26 All things considered, you can't say our FO didn't have their opportunities to make a big splash last night, however, if they feel their best value was in trading back for more picks, then i'm all for it. They are probably fielding a lot of phone calls this morning anyways, so let's see how it all plays out.
Alphadawg7 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 (edited) 2 hours ago, NoName said: How do you trade with KC? The team that kicked your ass every year. What a moron. How do you not know Worthy still reaches KC if we don't trade with KC? Would you rather take some draft capital AWAY from KC and they take Worthy...or let KC get to KEEP that extra draft capital and STILL get Worthy? The only moronic thing here is that you don't seem to understand this fact that KC was getting Worthy regardless and we instead got their 3rd almost exactly replacing the one we used to trade for Rasul vs them still getting Worthy and keeping their 3rd. This fan base can be mind blowing on how they over react and don't see the bigger picture to things. Edited April 26 by Alphadawg7 2 2 2
Motorin' Posted April 26 Posted April 26 9 minutes ago, DCOrange said: As someone that has Coleman in the conversation with Franklin for the #5 WR in the draft IMO, Coleman has a lot of red flags. Whoever takes him is gambling on him being a Josh Allen-esq outlier. I am bullish though. Very young, very inexperienced (split time between football and basketball up until the past two years), has the size, elusiveness, and hand-eye coordination that can't be taught and seemingly has the motor to make the most of his gifts. My biggest concern about Coleman is his 57% catch percentage. Not that worried about the long speed, as his first 10 yards is quicker than the likes of Jefferson and Chase... But I want a wr that can catch the ball! That's why I'm kind of thinking Beane has Franklin in his sights... I think Franklin can add upper body strength and weight and get to 190lbs... I've also been higher on AD Mitchell than you have all along, but have some recent concerns about his attitude and the way he doesn't always take care of the diabetes. (Of course that could be a smoke screen).
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