Do You Like What Beane Did in the First Round?

[CodeMonkey]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Most KC fans I saw couldn't believe they traded up for a guy they could have easily gotten at 32.

 

 

I presume KC did a risk/reward analysis and thought what they gave up for the trade warranted pulling the trigger. They must not have been as confident Worthy would still be around at 32 as the KC fans you saw.

[Flipnmi]

Thanks Gugny for starting this poll as it supports what I have felt many many times in the past (especially after any loss). Which is that the loudest voices on this forum often do not accurately represent the majority view of the fanbase. If you were only to read the posts this morning, you would likely assume the majority of fans were very upset with Brandon for his tactics last night. However the poll clearly show that in reality the opposite is true with >62% approving his decisions.  Obviously, this leaves almost 40% that are unhappy, but it's good to see that the majority of fans can be objective and let this play out before drawing any negative conclusion. 

It's also really hard for me to comprehend how even a diehard fan/draftnik feels that they have enough insight to the players to be able to call Brandon Beane a moron. It seems that those who felt this was an appropriate comment just may have much bigger problems in life than who the Bills should draft.

[sven233]

Do I like what he did?  No.

 

Do I understand and respect what he did?  Yes.

 

Here's the thing.  Would I have done the same thing?  Absolutely not.  The board fell so perfectly for the scenario I was looking for.  While I don't think the opportunity presented itself to get into the top 10 for Odunze, the other options I was hoping for were there.  There were multiple chances to get BTJ.  We could have easily traded up, even just a few spots to get him.  They chose not to do this and I think that tells you all you need to know about how they had him graded.  My ideal option was right there for the taking, even after the first trade down, in Legette.  My idea was to take him, as I see him as a future WR1, and then trade up in the 2nd to get another WR I had graded in the 2nd.  But sure enough, they traded away from him as well.  So, as I said above, that tells you all you need to know about how they had this WR class graded.  They only had 3 first round grades on WRs and everyone else was a 2nd rounder in their book.

 

So yeah.....if that's the case and they didn't have first round grades on more than 3 WRs, then I understand and respect what he did.  Who knows.....maybe he even has something cooking behind the scenes with a trade for an established WR1.  Who knows.  I just hope whatever he decides to do here that he turns out to be right on all of it.  Because if he's wrong, the backlash he gets will be well deserved.  But we might not know the answer to that for a couple of years.  But the spotlight is now shining on him brightly tonight.  He's committed to a path and he needs to follow through and finish what he started.

Edited April 26 by sven233

[ColoradoBills]

Beane wasn't the GM for the Mahomes trade.

 

My wish as a Bills fan is that this trade goes well for the Bills and bad for the Chiefs.

A Worthy bust along with Pick #133 coupled with 2 Buffalo Bills stars at #33 and #95 would be awesome!

 

A football fan's hope springs eternal.  Can't wait for tonight!

[BillsfaninCT]

12 minutes ago, DrW said:

 

Do you really mean that? According to your logic, because the chiefs have won championships, every one of their moves must be better than every one of ours.

I believe the metric is superbowls, so in the aggregate yeah, they draft better and outsmart the bills starting with how they got their QB so for what performance metric or accomplishment do the bills have believe they are smarter than KC?  You don't negotiate with an enemy you can't beat.

[BillsfaninCT]

9 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

Beane wasn't the GM for the Mahomes trade.

 

My wish as a Bills fan is that this trade goes well for the Bills and bad for the Chiefs.

A Worthy bust along with Pick #133 coupled with 2 Buffalo Bills stars at #33 and #95 would be awesome!

 

A football fan's hope springs eternal.  Can't wait for tonight!

.....McDermott, who has stressed a "one voice" philosophy within the organization, only fueled speculation about Whaley's future by using the word "I" and not "we" when describing several decisions made Thursday night in the draft."  recapping the 2017 draft of McD

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, BillsfaninCT said:

.....McDermott, who has stressed a "one voice" philosophy within the organization, only fueled speculation about Whaley's future by using the word "I" and not "we" when describing several decisions made Thursday night in the draft."  recapping the 2017 draft of McD

 

All informed Bills fans know this.  My point was Beane was not the GM.

[DrW]

8 minutes ago, BillsfaninCT said:

I believe the metric is superbowls, so in the aggregate yeah, they draft better and outsmart the bills starting with how they got their QB so for what performance metric or accomplishment do the bills have believe they are smarter than KC?  You don't negotiate with an enemy you can't beat.

According to whose rules? In the real world, it happens all the time (USA/Russia, Israel/Hamas,...). 

[BillsfaninCT]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

All informed Bills fans know this.  My point was Beane was not the GM.

informed Bills fans would deduce McD made the call to trade that pick to KC, not Whaley, so pointing out Beane wasn't here (which we already know) suggests Beane being there makes a difference... alas they repeat that mistaking gifting the chiefs the speed they want and we wait to see what we get which so far has never won a superbowl.  My point stands.

[cfbillsfan]

Stay true to the board.  Trust the process.

[3rdand12]

Can they get Coop D and Mitchell ?

 That would be pretty cool.

 sub McConkey for Mitchell  cuz some of you have a preference too 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, BillsfaninCT said:

informed Bills fans would deduce McD made the call to trade that pick to KC, not Whaley, so pointing out Beane wasn't here (which we already know) suggests Beane being there makes a difference... alas they repeat that mistaking gifting the chiefs the speed they want and we wait to see what we get which so far has never won a superbowl.  My point stands.

 

So does mine.  I hope the 2 KC picks don't help their team and I hope the 2 Bills picks do.

I'm a fan, not a soothsayer.

[3rdand12]

26 minutes ago, sven233 said:

Do I like what he did?  No.

 

Do I understand and respect what he did?  Yes.

 

Here's the thing.  Would I have done the same thing?  Absolutely not.  The board fell so perfectly for the scenario I was looking for.  While I don't think the opportunity presented itself to get into the top 10 for Odunze, the other options I was hoping for were there.  There were multiple chances to get BTJ.  We could have easily traded up, even just a few spots to get him.  They chose not to do this and I think that tells you all you need to know about how they had him graded.  My ideal option was right there for the taking, even after the first trade down, in Legette.  My idea was to take him, as I see him as a future WR1, and then trade up in the 2nd to get another WR I had graded in the 2nd.  But sure enough, they traded away from him as well.  So, as I said above, that tells you all you need to know about how they had this WR class graded.  They only had 3 first round grades on WRs and everyone else was a 2nd rounder in their book.

 

So yeah.....if that's the case and they didn't have first round grades on more than 3 WRs, then I understand and respect what he did.  Who knows.....maybe he even has something cooking behind the scenes with a trade for an established WR1.  Who knows.  I just hope whatever he decides to do here that he turns out to be right on all of it.  Because if he's wrong, the backlash he gets will be well deserved.  But we might not know the answer to that for a couple of years.  But the spotlight is now shining on him brightly tonight.  He's committed to a path and he needs to follow through and finish what he started.

Beane said he got no calls for trade up. Not sure what that means. Maybe he means calls back to him ?

 And so no trade up was possible. Takes two to tango 

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Beane said he got no calls for trade up. Not sure what that means. Maybe he means calls back to him ?

 And so no trade up was possible. Takes two to tango 

 

I'm of the opinion that the 1st round talent was drying up and none of the teams were willing to go back to Pick #28.

Your "takes two to tango" is lost on a lot of fans.

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I disagree. I think the Worthy issue is only looking at the outcome. And I'm relatively relaxed about the outcome. It is the principle I question and I don't think that is fanspeak at all. It isn't cut off your nose to spite your face. It is about proper assessment of the risk. Is the risk of helping your biggest single barrier to success become an even bigger barrier to success worth the estimated value of your average 3rd round pick over your average 4th round pick? It being Worthy is kinda by the by to me. When they first traded up I actually thought "this could be a tackle" and I still didn't like it even then. Maybe they'd have got him anyway at #32. Maybe they'd have traded up to 29 or 30 or 31 and got him. Maybe another team would have traded in that kinda space and taken him. There are lots of total unknowns. But that is what you are trying to balance up in the moment. And personally with all that uncertainty I'd be take the more cautious approach. 

 

Well, OK, we just disagree about what is the more "cautious" vs "higher risk" approach.  

 

Personally, I think Beane is a stone-cold killer when it comes to calculating odds and predicting which way the "frog will jump" in the draft.

 

So to me it comes down to player personnel evaluation, which is actually not Beane's forte' as a GM.  And either they're right about Worthy, or they're mistaken about Worthy.  If they're wrong, how KC got him is just re-arranging the deck chairs on the boat crossing the North Atlantic.  If they're right, then how KC got him doesn't matter, but that 3rd round pick might be handy.

[3rdand12]

23 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I'm of the opinion that the 1st round talent was drying up and none of the teams were willing to go back to Pick #28.

Your "takes two to tango" is lost on a lot of fans.

 Thats okay. Always fun to be armchair GM during the draft regardless 🙂

 and yea.

Going up get Odunze was a not worth working. Too much capital for that trade. Even if  a team was willing.  I almost wished it though !

[Since1981]

Any trade with KC is like cheating on your wife. He felt great for a few minutes but next year it's gonna cost you dearly!!

[DrW]

12 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

Any trade with KC is like cheating on your wife. He felt great for a few minutes but next year it's gonna cost you dearly!!

 

The 10th Commandment in the Bible (Exodus) forbids me to cheat - "Do not ... covet thy neighbors wife". Can you please point me to the verse(s) where the Bills and Chiefs are discussed?

[Peter]

I hope that this trade does not bite us in the arse like the Mahomes trade did.

 

I am not so sure.

 

Up until last night, I had a lot of confidence in Brandon Beane (not so much McD).

 

I will reserve final judgment until after tonight.

 

So far, it does not look good and I did not agree with his explanation. I think that they realized that the trade was not particularly well received by anyone (other than the Chiefs) and is one of the reasons why it took forever to have the press conference.

 

Also, I seem to recall that in the past Beane said that GMs make an attempt to find out what the other team is going to do or at least make sure that they are not going to pick the guy we want. He seemed to go in a different direction last night on this subject. 

[Putin]

If Beane trades down again and gets a another 5th round pick will FIVE 5th RD picks 

i can’t remember anyone having that many picks that has to be a record Beane is a genius