amprov56 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 hour ago, NoName said: Sounds like someone needs to loosen their girdle. Or have a desire for adult conversation 1
518Buffalo Posted April 26 Posted April 26 I was generally in favor of a trade back before the draft began, and I liked the first trade to move down and get back in the 3rd round. From there I wish we had stayed put and drafted Legette, but I also feel pretty good about where we're at. I'm glad Beane didn't give away next year's draft to trade up 1
Alphadawg7 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think it is a fact they would have got him regardless. Who knows where San Fran ranked him and equally I think KC was a bit defending themselves against that slew of early 2nd round teams who might have wanted to jump up and possibly they thought Dallas too (although as you know I always thought they were OL no matter what). But I do think more likely than not they'd have got him anyway at #32. Let's see what happens next. Don't forget, KC could have made the same trade offer with one of the teams behind us too and not just wait until pick 32. I would say the odds of them getting him were pretty strong. But yes, as you know, I thought Dallas could be a place Worthy could go, but I also stated they should go OL, that was the smarter and better pick for them. So with Guyton being there still, I think they would have likely stayed the course and taken Guyton because if they wanted Worthy they wouldn't have risked missing out on him trading back behind our pick IMO. And they still could have taken Mitchell there too which would have added a lot of speed and explosion to the offense still as well. Personally, I don't think SF takes Worthy, he is not their style of player at all and they loved Pearsall from what I heard after the draft. Its possible, but I doubt he was going to go to SF.
Eastport bills Posted April 26 Posted April 26 To me it’s a no brainer. You start out with #28 and no 3rd round pick. Your board shows the 3 guys projected to be available at receiver are still available. You get offers to trade down a few spots for a 3rd and a 5th and still can get a quality receiver ( Mitchell, McConkey or Franklin) plus enough draft capital to trade for Ayuk. What’s the problem with that reasoning? 1
NoSaint Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Ultimately trading back is fine it’s just 1) what do we do now drastically impacts the evaluation of whether the strategy was smart 2) like it or not, if worthy blossoms it could really tattoo this regime/era in a different way than the Carolina trade which was also for a wr. The risk/reward equation is wildly different on a human psych level based on it being the chiefs taking a guy at a position of need for us to use against us in the biggest moments 1 1 1
stuvian Posted April 26 Posted April 26 If we get both Dejean and Mitchell or their equivalent then yes I do. Given the increases in salary cap, I can't help but wonder just how much all this jockeying around the draft board is worth it. I guess, in theory, every dollar saved means more room to bring in a star player that will supposedly put you over the top
Captain_Quint Posted April 26 Posted April 26 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I’ll see who we get with their 3rd rd pick and then decide. Gunner didn’t even have a 1st rd grade on Xavier worthy. Neither did Joe Marino. Chiefs would likely have taken him at 32 regardless. Bills clearly didn’t want him at 28. His nfl.com draft profile grade says “might eventually become an average starter” … That's high praise.
Freak-O Posted April 26 Posted April 26 3 hours ago, NoName said: How do you trade with KC? The team that kicked your ass every year. What a moron. Maybe we knew they weren’t after a player we wanted and felt we would be the winner of the deal? 1
DCOrange Posted April 26 Posted April 26 27 minutes ago, Motorin' said: My biggest concern about Coleman is his 57% catch percentage. Not that worried about the long speed, as his first 10 yards is quicker than the likes of Jefferson and Chase... But I want a wr that can catch the ball! That's why I'm kind of thinking Beane has Franklin in his sights... I think Franklin can add upper body strength and weight and get to 190lbs... I've also been higher on AD Mitchell than you have all along, but have some recent concerns about his attitude and the way he doesn't always take care of the diabetes. (Of course that could be a smoke screen). Coleman has some of the best hands in the class IMO (not THE best, but he's up there) and certainly much better hands than Franklin. The separation is the big concern with Coleman. As I said, very young and inexperienced; you have to hope you can teach him how to generate separation much more consistently than he did in college. He's still figuring things out but could help us immediately in terms of giving you someone to throw to where he's "open when he's covered". 1
BillsFan130 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 35 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Quoting this, not to pick on you or argue directly, but since these are kind of the consensus guys the board is in mourning over… The problem with us fans falling in love with specific players, is we’re basing that on maybe 30% of the overall process. What we get — limited angles of college football games and the now largely for show combine, just don’t factor in as much as the things we don’t get access to: medicals (Thomas reportedly had concerns); psych. evaluations (Leggette reportedly not too bright); interviews both with the player, their teammates, coaches, other staff and support folks (AD Mitchell purportedly has attitude and effort issues); scheme fit and internal staff considerations; other priorities (comfort in cold weather? Willingness to block? Etc.) I get why folks are annoyed by being told to “trust the process”, but it’s also the most logical option, given how little info we really have available. Everyone at 28 has some sort of red flag or a concern/limitation. That's why they aren't top 10 picks. 1
FireChans Posted April 26 Posted April 26 4 minutes ago, Freak-O said: Maybe we knew they weren’t after a player we wanted and felt we would be the winner of the deal? Just like we won the Tre White for Patrick Mahomes trade.
ngbills Posted April 26 Posted April 26 (edited) Well if Worthy or Legette are hits then this is a fireable offense. Based on what we saw the Bills could have moved up to jump for Thomas. So that would be some egg on the face. In what the consensus says is the best WR draft in years. When the Bills need a WR and you end the first without one. I don’t know how that is a good thing. I only feel better if Mitchell is their guy and they grab him at 33. Edited April 26 by ngbills 1
Logic Posted April 26 Posted April 26 I hated it. Put simply, and to steal a line from Twitter: When the Chiefs call, you simply answer "new phone, who dis?" and hang up. It doesn't matter to me that we weren't gonna pick Worthy or whatever. It's possible another team would've beaten the Chiefs to the punch on drafting him, but we helped ensure that couldn't happen. You don't help your biggest enemy get the guy they covet. You don't hand a 4.21 guy to your arch rivals. You just don't. Hope Beane is thrilled with his extra mid to late picks in a shallow draft, though. 1 1 1
glazeduck Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said: Everyone at 28 has some sort of red flag or a concern/limitation. That's why they aren't top 10 picks. 100% right, but also wasn’t my point. All of these ranking sites and message boards are being populated by fans with extremely limited information. When even the pros with all of the info get it wrong as often as they do, it’s just not worth the hysteria that some folks are bringing.
Virgil Posted April 26 Posted April 26 3 hours ago, Gugny said: The purpose of this poll is to get an idea of how the TBD community feels about Beane’s strategy on night one before the rest of the draft plays out. There is no “wait and see” option for a reason. I personally like what Beane did and I’m interested to see how others feel. It all depends on if there was a guy Beane wanted prior to 28 and didn't do whatever he could to draft them.
GunnerBill Posted April 26 Posted April 26 18 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Don't forget, KC could have made the same trade offer with one of the teams behind us too and not just wait until pick 32. I would say the odds of them getting him were pretty strong. But yes, as you know, I thought Dallas could be a place Worthy could go, but I also stated they should go OL, that was the smarter and better pick for them. So with Guyton being there still, I think they would have likely stayed the course and taken Guyton because if they wanted Worthy they wouldn't have risked missing out on him trading back behind our pick IMO. And they still could have taken Mitchell there too which would have added a lot of speed and explosion to the offense still as well. Personally, I don't think SF takes Worthy, he is not their style of player at all and they loved Pearsall from what I heard after the draft. Its possible, but I doubt he was going to go to SF. They could. Equally someone else could have traded into #28 (we know the Bills had other calls - Beane told us so) and other teams could have called Dallas, Baltimore, San Fran as well had Worthy still been there. I think it is more likely than not that they'd have got him anyway. But it isn't a complete given. And I do think there is a principle question about whether you should ever be in the market to help them. Put it this way, if he ends up a stud in KC l this trade will put some pressure on Beane. I don't mind the outcome, because I am sceptical about Worthy as a #1 receiver. But I think there are legit questions about whether as a point of principle it is the right process.
No_Matter_What Posted April 26 Posted April 26 I honestly don't know how to vote. I am completely fine with trading down, I don't care it was with the Chiefs, I don't care they took Worthy. My only problem is that I'd have taken Legette at 28.
Motorin' Posted April 26 Posted April 26 5 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Coleman has some of the best hands in the class IMO (not THE best, but he's up there) and certainly much better hands than Franklin. The separation is the big concern with Coleman. As I said, very young and inexperienced; you have to hope you can teach him how to generate separation much more consistently than he did in college. He's still figuring things out but could help us immediately in terms of giving you someone to throw to where he's "open when he's covered". When I watch him he looks like he has strong hands. But then under 60% catch percentage is puzzling.
Roundybout Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: When I watch him he looks like he has strong hands. But then under 60% catch percentage is puzzling. Becuase he’s allergic to going over the middle so he has to rely on low-percentage throws to the outside and deep
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