What if the bills traded back but the guy they wanted is gone?

[Captain Caveman]

5 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

But that's exactly what they did?

 

Are you saying the bills don't love anyone at pick 2.01?

If they trade down 4 picks, usually it means there are enough guys they have valued similarly that even if 2-3 are taken they are still ok with the guy they get.

[hondo in seattle]

7 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

The bills only traded back because they thought their guy would be available at 2.01. 

 

That tells me they want to take a guy that most people didn't mock in the first round. So who could that be ? 

 

Is it possible the bills loved a guy like Ricky Pearsall, and thought no way someone would take him in the first? 

 

What if the bills shot themselves in the foot?

 

Unless the bills trade down again, why risk losing out on your guy just to gain a better draft position in round 3?

 

The draft is like gambling.  You play the probabilities and hope the cards come up right.  

[Gonzonzo]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

WGR was reporting immediately after 28 that they were trying to trade back again.  So, unless the player they wanted was Worthy, the picks from 28-31 didn't affect them.

 

Now, did someone get taken before 28 that made them trade back, possibly

 

Do you think the bills asked the chiefs which player they would select before making the trade?

I don't know how this point of exchanges works, if only picks are exchanged or if the teams decide who they will choose.

[Virgil]

9 minutes ago, Gonzonzo said:

 

Do you think the bills asked the chiefs which player they would select before making the trade?

I don't know how this point of exchanges works, if only picks are exchanged or if the teams decide who they will choose.

I’ve always wondered about that.  From everything I’ve heard, no.  

[Boatdrinks]

16 minutes ago, Gonzonzo said:

 

Do you think the bills asked the chiefs which player they would select before making the trade?

I don't know how this point of exchanges works, if only picks are exchanged or if the teams decide who they will choose.

You always hear that teams are charged a premium for QB trade ups. Is that a myth or do teams inquire about who is being selected ? Or do they just not make the deal if there’s a chance it’s a player they want ? Probably the latter I guess , but it seems implied that teams know who is being selected. 

[BCAS Baritone]

7 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I’ve always wondered about that.  From everything I’ve heard, no.  

From what I've heard, yes.  Beane says he did have to tell Jax that Kincaid was the guy they were picking.  It's probably what happens at minute 13 or 14 of the clock.  Before that it's just general position stuff.  But the final Q is name the player - and the etiquette would be if you turn down the deal at that point, it's because that's the guy you are picking and you go ahead and do it.

 

[Process]

You don't trade down 5 spots if you love a guy. You take him. 

 

They clearly did not think that highly of the guys that went 28-32. 

[Alphadawg7]

8 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

The bills only traded back because they thought their guy would be available at 2.01. 

 

That tells me they want to take a guy that most people didn't mock in the first round. So who could that be ? 

 

Is it possible the bills loved a guy like Ricky Pearsall, and thought no way someone would take him in the first? 

 

What if the bills shot themselves in the foot?

 

Unless the bills trade down again, why risk losing out on your guy just to gain a better draft position in round 3?

Bills did NOT trade back with the notion there was only one guy they wanted.  You don’t go back 4 spots if there is a risk of losing the one guy you want in this range.  
 

So sorry, but this thread is a waste of time.

[Awwufelloff]

8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

If the Bills loved Ricky Pearsell they would've taken Ricky Pearsell at #28.  If you love a guy you don't trade back four spots and hold your breath hoping he falls to you.  

They must have not loved anyone at 32 then since they went back to 33. Thinking another trade back using this logic?

[CNYfan]

3 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

They must have not loved anyone at 32 then since they went back to 33. Thinking another trade back using this logic?

Not too far.  The only guy that could keep them there is probably Dejean.  But there is a nice grouping of players available, no edge rushers but nice IOL, DBs and WRs

[518Buffalo]

I doubt it. I don't think the Chiefs wanting Worthy or the Panthers wanting Legette was a surprise, so if Beane coveted either of those guys he would have taken them. Maybe Pearsall was a surprise but I don't believe they brought him in for a visit

[Big Turk]

8 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

The bills only traded back because they thought their guy would be available at 2.01. 

 

That tells me they want to take a guy that most people didn't mock in the first round. So who could that be ? 

 

Is it possible the bills loved a guy like Ricky Pearsall, and thought no way someone would take him in the first? 

 

What if the bills shot themselves in the foot?

 

Unless the bills trade down again, why risk losing out on your guy just to gain a better draft position in round 3?

 

No, what it says is that Beane was being honest when he said they really didn't have 28 first round grades.

 

So why take a 2nd round graded player in the first round when you can get extra picks?

 

Clearly they were not as high on Worthy and Legette as many others were/are and they didn't see someone worth moving up to go get...perhaps BTJ was the last WR they would have been willing to trade up for and he was taken too high.

Edited April 26 by Big Turk

[harmonkillebrew]

I think they like Troy Franklin and think he'll be available in mid-2nd.  They'll probably trade back again.

 

It's risky assuming others don't like the same guy.  At some point you just have to make your pick and not try to squeeze all the value you can out of where you pick him.

 

[Beast]

The OP’s scenario certainly is very possible.

[bigK14094]

Cooper DeJean  2.1 imho

[ColoradoBills]

10 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

The bills only traded back because they thought their guy would be available at 2.01. 

 

That tells me they want to take a guy that most people didn't mock in the first round. So who could that be ? 

 

Is it possible the bills loved a guy like Ricky Pearsall, and thought no way someone would take him in the first? 

 

What if the bills shot themselves in the foot?

 

Unless the bills trade down again, why risk losing out on your guy just to gain a better draft position in round 3?

 

What if everything you stated is not true and just speculation?

Without seeing Beane's board none of us know exactly why.

[mjt328]

If you listen to everything Brandon Beane says (and for a GM, he's usually pretty honest) in all his press conferences, you can get a pretty good idea what is going on.

 

1)  He didn't have a lot of 1st Round grades this year.  Although he won't say it explicitly, it's pretty clear they were all long gone by Pick #28.

 

2)  He sees a lot of value in the 2nd-3rd Rounds this year, and thinks that's the place to load up.  He really didn't want to part with their 2nd Rounder.

 

3)  He was also ticked off at the NFL for taking away his 3rd Round comp pick, and was dead set on getting it back.

 

4)  None of the players left on their board stood out enough to really care about moving down 4-5 spots.  

 

5)  Moving back 15-20 spots was too much.  So if they go back again from 33, I only expect it to be a couple slots.

 

6)  History also shows that if 1-2 players are on their board, he is not shy about trading to move up.  And he won't trade down to risk losing them.

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

If you listen to everything Brandon Beane says (and for a GM, he's usually pretty honest) in all his press conferences, you can get a pretty good idea what is going on.

 

1)  He didn't have a lot of 1st Round grades this year.  Although he won't say it explicitly, it's pretty clear they were all long gone by Pick #28.

 

2)  He sees a lot of value in the 2nd-3rd Rounds this year, and thinks that's the place to load up.  He really didn't want to part with their 2nd Rounder.

 

3)  He was also ticked off at the NFL for taking away his 3rd Round comp pick, and was dead set on getting it back.

 

4)  None of the players left on their board stood out enough to really care about moving down 4-5 spots.  

 

5)  Moving back 15-20 spots was too much.  So if they go back again from 33, I only expect it to be a couple slots.

 

6)  History also shows that if 1-2 players are on their board, he is not shy about trading to move up.  And he won't trade down to risk losing them.

 

 

 

Exactly how I see it.  Really hope he hits on his Day 2 picks tonight!

[BigAl2526]

13 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

The bills only traded back because they thought their guy would be available at 2.01. 

 

That tells me they want to take a guy that most people didn't mock in the first round. So who could that be ? 

 

Is it possible the bills loved a guy like Ricky Pearsall, and thought no way someone would take him in the first? 

 

What if the bills shot themselves in the foot?

 

Unless the bills trade down again, why risk losing out on your guy just to gain a better draft position in round 3?

It tells me they didn't think the two Xaviers were decent values at the spots where they would have had to take them.  Beane is very cognizant of value, especially in the first round.  I won't know until this evening if they think there is a WR worthy of the 33rd spot in the draft. 

[NewEra]

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