Trying to be reasonable here

[NewEra]

11 minutes ago, cale said:

or...you call the other teams...below or even above and say KC trying to move up. Whatcu got?

Or….maybe he did?   He said he talked to at least 6-7 teams. 

[cale]

In terms of burying the lede, what does it say about our franchise and coaching that another team can take a sucky WR and make him (very likely) a world beater. They had Kadarious Toney and made him serviceable. I didn't want Worthy. Another undersized, underperforming speedster.

But it does bear the question of our strengths and weaknesses. Not least of which is either
a) They have a better scouting department
or
b) We're not listening to our scouting department

So yeah, I have concerns. KC has weaknesses too. But they seem to be able to cover them up and win championships.  They also have been picking at the bottom of each round of the draft for how many years now? So is that not an indictment on us?

1 hour ago, Mat68 said:

Bilichick was asked this exact question on why would Buffalo trade with the Chiefs.  Basically, what you said.  You do whats best for your team.  This point your not concerned with what any other organization is doing.  With Buffalo’s track record they have a plan and have earned the benefit to see what that plan is.  

Belichik the draft genius speaks.

[26TrapDraw]

11 hours ago, mrags said:

Here’s where I’m at right now. 

I would have been happy with Mitchell or McConkey at 28 without any trades. And we traded back and got, not extra picks, but made our later picks better in the process. 

Now, if they go with that DB/S tomorrow at 33 I’m gonna be livid. 

If they take Mitchell, McConkey, Franklin, I’ll be perfectly happy with it. As I would have been at 28. 

Now; with that all said, you picked up the extra 3rd rounder, and now have some better ammo with the four 5th rounders. So i really really hope they are active tomorrow. Getting either an extra 2nd by moving back into the 2nd rd. Or moving up from 60 to the 40s or something. And then hopefully moving up in the 3rd again too. 

I will wait and see what he does. 

BUT……
I am absolutely with most agreeing that you shouldn’t give KC the chance to take a guy that can smoke you for years to come. If worthy or Legette are the real deal in this league we look like fools again. No matter who we take.

Use the same rationale for Beane trusting his evaluators instincts. Do you think if the Bills had a first round grade on worthy or Leggette they wouldn’t have taken him? They have a plan. Trust our GM and if in three years he gets fired because this draft was a disaster and it lead to losing then we will know won’t we. Truth is we just don’t know.

even though we have lots of NFL caliber talent evaluators here.

🤡🤡🤡

[Toyo321]

14 hours ago, NewEra said:

As I said.  Simple minded way of thinking.  This is just ridiculous.  We should taken Worthy….. just so KC doesn’t get them….

 

LOL.  Listen to yourself. Weak

When was the last time we have had a receiver that can flat out smoke any DB on the opposing team.  So instead of taking a chance on this guy an bulking him up in the weight room a little, we just pass on him and move further down the draft list.  Teams this year went up in this draft to get better talent,  not backwards. 

 

Listen to yourself, going backwards or taking a step backwards in anything is considered counterproductive.  

 

If Worthy comes out this year, and torches the other teams that KC plays,  after adding this guy to their roster,  and we are still working with our pathetic hodge podge receiving corps I bet you will start to sing a different toon.....

 

Their is a common consensus with other Bills fans,  that all agree that this move did not make us a better team...  let's get real, KC got better.

Edited April 26 by Toyo321

[L Ron Burgundy]

8 hours ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

I think they’re going Dejean, they just value versatility, defensive backs, and elite ceiling too much to pass here.

I think they trade back up from the bottom of the round and grab a WR, likely Franklin is their target in this scenario, imo. 

I really hope not with regards to Dejean.  If we get him I obviously hope he's great but I do not see him as a difference maker.

[Donuts and Doritos]

52 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

Hello.

 

It's April 26th

The season starts in September.

 

That Is All

 

OK, no, I lied.  One more thing.  If your concern is Troy Franklin being "skinnier than a marathon runner", how do you describe the skinniness of Xavier Worth?  Did he get beefier because KC drafted him?

 

The breakdowns ahead of the draft say Franklin struggles w/ press coverage and blocking on film. Worthy is shorter & faster, they have a tougher time getting hands on him.

 

Now in fairness I'm not sure Worthy's frame holds up when he does get hit & they said he did have some drops & some concentration issues.

 

My point is our WR room is not nearly good enough & I don't see the remaining players on the board fixing that (also have an issue w/ compensation received but that's a different issue). There's no WR 1 available there.

 

But the idea of trading for a SF WR is interesting & could fill that immediate hole. Hoping you're right & Beane pulls something off before the season. Not thrilled, but I'm trying to accept it, & be a windshield person instead of a rearview mirror person (look forward instead of backward).

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

When is the last time we have had a receiver that can flat out smoke any DB on the opposing team.  So instead of taking a chance on this guy an bulking him up in the weight room abit we just pass on him and move further down the draft list.  Teams this year went up in this draft to get better talent not backwards. 

 

Listen to yourself, going backwards or taking a step back in anything is considered counterproductive.  

 

If Worthy comes out this year, and torches the other teams that KC plays after adding this guy to their roster,  and we are still working with our pathetic hodge podge receiving corps, I bet you will start to sing a different toon.....

 

Their is a common thread with many other Bills fans that kept agreeing that this move did not make us a better team... Get real.  KC got better.

Of course they got better by drafting after drafting a player in rd 1……This has nothing to do with my statement.  
 

You act as if worthy is the only WR that can help us.  KC would’ve “gotten better” if they had drafted any of the top 10 WRs….. 

 

Beane didn’t like Worthy.  You mad.  Throw fit. Like others.  

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

5 hours ago, MPL said:

Why are we assuming Worthy is the new Tyreek Hill? Because he’s fast? Tyreek Hill is a generational talent. Most undersized fast WRs don’t end up having careers anything like Hill’s. 
 

Worthy hasn’t played a game yet but he’s already a hall of famer and breaking your hearts in the playoffs. This is the definition of anxiety and y’all need some meds. 

We’re all Bills fans … why wouldn’t we need meds? 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

 

The breakdowns ahead of the draft say Franklin struggles w/ press coverage and blocking on film. Worthy is shorter & faster, they have a tougher time getting hands on him.

 

Now in fairness I'm not sure Worthy's frame holds up when he does get hit & they said he did have some drops & some concentration issues.

 

My point is our WR room is not nearly good enough & I don't see the remaining players on the board fixing that (also have an issue w/ compensation received but that's a different issue). There's no WR 1 available there.

 

But the idea of trading for a SF WR is interesting & could fill that immediate hole. Hoping you're right & Beane pulls something off before the season. Not thrilled, but I'm trying to accept it, & be a windshield person instead of a rearview mirror person (look forward instead of backward).

And the point that KCs WR room clearly wasn’t good enough in December of 2024.  Then suddenly it was.  We’re going to add a WR they think will get the job done.  Then it’s up to the coaches and individuals to put in the work and make plays on game days

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

5 hours ago, Beast said:

OK, then how do you feel about THREE wide receivers coming off the board from 28 to 32. Three wide receivers we had a chance to draft and didn’t.

 

I guess whoever the Bills take is going to be better than those three guys because the Bills took him? 
 

In Beane’s tenure with the Bills, he drafted Gabe Davis, Khalil Shakir and who else at wide receiver? 
 

 

Hey, we drafted Justin Shorter, future gentleman’s club doorman … many seem to love him because he’s jacked I guess.  We should skip drafting and just visit local gyms signing the big lifters 🤪

[Donuts and Doritos]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

And the point that KCs WR room clearly wasn’t good enough in December of 2024.  Then suddenly it was.  We’re going to add a WR they think will get the job done.  Then it’s up to the coaches and individuals to put in the work and make plays on game days

I hear ya. They did have Travis Kelce (I get he didn't have a great SB but he was good otherwise). It's looking like short of getting an established vet, we will be relying on Kincaid taking a step toward being Kelce. 

 

I also get that the end of the season Kincaid, Shakir & Cook were leading the receptions without a lot of consistent contributions from Diggs Davis. I'm good with moving on from them. I want to know there's a plan & I'm having trouble seeing it. I'm worried this WR room will not get a significant upgrade & I actually think as a whole it's not as good as what KC had. But as has been pointed out, Beane isn't done working yet. So I'll have to practice improving my patience.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

I hear ya. They did have Travis Kelce (I get he didn't have a great SB but he was good otherwise). It's looking like short of getting an established vet, we will be relying on Kincaid taking a step toward being Kelce. 

 

I also get that the end of the season Kincaid, Shakir & Cook were leading the receptions without a lot of consistent contributions from Diggs Davis. I'm good with moving on from them. I want to know there's a plan & I'm having trouble seeing it. I'm worried this WR room will not get a significant upgrade & I actually think as a whole it's not as good as what KC had. But as has been pointed out, Beane isn't done working yet. So I'll have to practice improving my patience.

I hear ya. Hard to see the plan when we haven’t made any selections, but it looks like they identified this WR class as deep……. Or they don’t think they need a WR1

[McMuffin]

4 hours ago, eball said:

Beane gained 124 spots in draft position to give up 5.  The Bills now have two 2nds, a 3rd, and four (!!!) 4ths.

 

That’s a win.  Who gives a @#$% what the Chefs do?

 

I’m over it and this puts it in better perspective for me.  Let’s see what Bean does!

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

58 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

I really hope not with regards to Dejean.  If we get him I obviously hope he's great but I do not see him as a difference maker.

I haven’t watched enough college ball, I’m not stating this is my particular preference, just what I think Beane and Co. will do.  If he’s anywhere near as versatile as the “analysts” make him out to be, knowing the way Beane covets elite athleticism + the intangibles that can’t be coached, and if there’s any truth to this assessment of Dejean - “He's a great athlete, yes, having posted a 9.85 RAS based on his pro day, but the way he reads the entire field, from the QB's eyes to the receiver's position is almost supernatural” then he’s the pick.

Edited April 26 by Dr.Mantis_Toboggan

[Ga boy]

1 hour ago, 26TrapDraw said:

Use the same rationale for Beane trusting his evaluators instincts. Do you think if the Bills had a first round grade on worthy or Leggette they wouldn’t have taken him? They have a plan. Trust our GM and if in three years he gets fired because this draft was a disaster and it lead to losing then we will know won’t we. Truth is we just don’t know.

even though we have lots of NFL caliber talent evaluators here.

🤡🤡🤡

I haven’t seen this GM do a CJ or EJ yet, until then, let the process roll!

[mrags]

1 hour ago, 26TrapDraw said:

Use the same rationale for Beane trusting his evaluators instincts. Do you think if the Bills had a first round grade on worthy or Leggette they wouldn’t have taken him? They have a plan. Trust our GM and if in three years he gets fired because this draft was a disaster and it lead to losing then we will know won’t we. Truth is we just don’t know.

even though we have lots of NFL caliber talent evaluators here.

🤡🤡🤡

I think one of my biggest issues is he had a presser last night saying absolutely expected to make a pick at 32. That tells me they had someone in mind and then he was taken between 28 and 32. Maybe that was Worthy, or Pearsal. Who knows. It was probably one of those DBs for all we know. Point is, he addressed it and said he was going to pick someone then didn’t. It’s odd to me. Even if he just had a great deal in place with Carolina is fine, but you miss the 5th year option on whatever player you’re taking. If that was a WR, CB, DE, he absolutely should have to answer for that considering all 3 of those positions require very large 2nd contract if they are good. It’s monetarily beneficial for that alone. 

[JGMcD2]

1 hour ago, cale said:

They had Kadarious Toney and made him serviceable

They did? 
 

20 games, 41 receptions for 340 yards and 3 TD.

12 games with the Giants - 41 receptions and 420 yards. 

Edited April 26 by JGMcD2

[L Ron Burgundy]

33 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

I haven’t watched enough college ball, I’m not stating this is my particular preference, just what I think Beane and Co. will do.  If he’s anywhere near as versatile as the “analysts” make him out to be, knowing the way Beane covets elite athleticism + the intangibles that can’t be coached, and if there’s any truth to this assessment of Dejean - “He's a great athlete, yes, having posted a 9.85 RAS based on his pro day, but the way he reads the entire field, from the QB's eyes to the receiver's position is almost supernatural” then he’s the pick.

I'd be for it were he top 5 ranked purely as a cb.  That doesn't appear to be the case.  If we get a top remaining wr and somehow grab him later?  That's a better outcome imo.

[K-9]

8 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

They did? 
 

20 games, 41 receptions for 340 yards and 3 TD.

12 games with the Giants - 41 receptions and 420 yards. 

If that is serviceable, especially with a QB like Mahomes, then I’d hate to see non- serviceable with a crappy QB. 

[SDS]

18 minutes ago, mrags said:

I think one of my biggest issues is he had a presser last night saying absolutely expected to make a pick at 32. That tells me they had someone in mind and then he was taken between 28 and 32. Maybe that was Worthy, or Pearsal. Who knows. It was probably one of those DBs for all we know. Point is, he addressed it and said he was going to pick someone then didn’t. It’s odd to me. Even if he just had a great deal in place with Carolina is fine, but you miss the 5th year option on whatever player you’re taking. If that was a WR, CB, DE, he absolutely should have to answer for that considering all 3 of those positions require very large 2nd contract if they are good. It’s monetarily beneficial for that alone. 

 

He def did not say the bolded in that way.