Alphadawg7 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 11 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: I feel like between rapp and edwards - they should already be considered depth. Bringing in a Simmons or Jackson is an immediate upgrade. Hell, i feel like Hyde is better than both of them. I actually think there is a solid chance Hyde comes back for one more season once Tre’s money is off the books. Beane has even alluded to this as has Hyde where it seems to be coming down to Hyde and his medical risks he’s getting opinions on. 1
LabattBlue Posted April 26 Posted April 26 9 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Bad attitude problems, bad run blocking, and low effort at times on the field. Pass. Don’t know how much of this is true, but if so, hard pass.
Bruffalo Posted April 26 Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: How exactly is that going to happen? Dejean at 33. Trade up in the 2nd with next year's second, the acquired third and one of the 5th rounders, pick up WR1. Pick up WR2 at 60 or with a minor trade up. It's definitely doable.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 26 Posted April 26 I think knowing 2 of the next 4 picks after 33 are going to teams (NE, and LAC) who desperately need help at boundary WR makes me think you have to get your guy here at 33. 1 2
Big Turk Posted April 26 Posted April 26 (edited) 16 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I'm ready to be booed: Take Cooper DeJean at 33. Our safety group, while less important than our WRs, is in terrible shape. DeJean would almost for sure start immediately and in a pinch could be kicked back outside to replace Douglas in a year. I WANT WR more, but with the assets in play I am considerably more confident that Beane can move up to the top of the 2nd and get someone I would have been fine with us taking at 28 (Franklin, McConkey and AD Mitchell all qualify for me) Some believe that DeJean is a future 4-5x all-pro. If Beane views him as that I don't see how he could pass on him. Very likely is the BPA at this point as well. However there are players that fit the bill at 4 positions there right now. Newton at DT, DeJean at S/CB, McKinstrey at CB and Mitchell at WR. They could maybe be OK with taking any of those 4 and maybe be willing to move down 3 picks and take whatever one is left or pick from those 4... Beane has a ton of options right now in this spot. Edited April 26 by Big Turk 1
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Just now, Bruffalo said: Dejean at 33. Trade up in the 2nd with next year's second, the acquired third and one of the 5th rounders, pick up WR1. Pick up WR2 at 60 or with a minor trade up. It's definitely doable. Depends what you can get from feeling out NE - they pick at 34. But Franklin being one of their top 30 visits (and one of only 2 WRs they brought in) makes me think he will be our pick at 33 if he's the one we want from this group. 1
UKBillFan Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Do people honestly think the Bills can draft a WR#1 now? At best, from 33? Franklin, McConkey, Mitchell? If they bring any of those in, they'll be #4 at best, behind Samuel, Hollins and Shakir. If they want a number one from 2024, they need to trade for it. Not draft.
stlbills13 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 What would you be willing to give up for Aiyuk if he came with a 4 year 100M extension that kicks in after this season?
noacls Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said: I once listened to an interview with a successful GM - I think it was Ron Wolf. He said that he considered a draft decent if he got one Pro Bowler out of it and it didn't matter if the guy came from the 4th round and the 1st rounder was a bust. A really good draft netted him two Pro Bowlers. That's how he rated his drafts. He explained that most players fill roles (i.e., they're JAGS). To win a SB, you needed players who were difference-makers. He said that it's better to get a difference-maker at a position you may not need than a role-player at a position where you do have a need. I rarely watch college football and am no talent scout. But if DeJean is truly a difference-maker when the WRs left are mediocre role-players, then I'm all for the pick. Great post. Just becareful no rational thought is allowed on this board. Lol 1
Bruffalo Posted April 26 Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: Depends what you can get from feeling out NE - they pick at 34. But Franklin being one of their top 30 visits (and one of only 2 WRs they brought in) makes me think he will be our pick at 33 if he's the one we want from this group. That might be even more likely. Take the same scenario I laid out but go Franklin/Mitchell/McConkey at 33, trade back in and get McConkey/Polk/Coleman, then go safety at 60. Probably not DeJean but another top safety is likely there.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Just now, Big Turk said: Some believe that DeJean is a future 4-5x all-pro. If Beane views him as that I don't see how he could pass on him. Very likely is the BPA at this point as well. But if its at the cost of a guy you want (say troy franklin), is it worth it? Because NE picks right after us, has a big need at boundary WR, and had a top 30 visit with him.
Bruffalo Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 minute ago, stlbills13 said: What would you be willing to give up for Aiyuk if he came with a 4 year 100M extension that kicks in after this season? Pick 60, 2 5ths, and next year's 7.
stevestojan Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Ok, now that I’ve had time to sleep in it, I hate the move to give KC the fastest man on earth even more than I did last night. Anyone but KC. WTF 1 1
Big Turk Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Just now, Bleeding Bills Blue said: But if its at the cost of a guy you want (say troy franklin), is it worth it? Because NE picks right after us, has a big need at boundary WR, and had a top 30 visit with him. You always take BPA as long as it's something you don't have a surplus of. Careers in the NFL are too short and there is no guarantee any player will be a "star". They stick to their board and take who they have rated highest. Now if they have a group of players all relatively the same grade then you can start going with the higher need 1
Bruffalo Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Just now, stevestojan said: Ok, now that I’ve had time to sleep in it, I hate the move to give KC the fastest man on earth even more than I did last night. Anyone but KC. WTF Look at his advanced metrics and you'll feel a lot better. Tiny frame speedsters hardly ever work out. KC doesn't have a great track record drafting WRs early. Mitchell is barely slower than him and weighs 20 pounds more.
DCOrange Posted April 26 Posted April 26 5 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: Do people honestly think the Bills can draft a WR#1 now? At best, from 33? Franklin, McConkey, Mitchell? If they bring any of those in, they'll be #4 at best, behind Samuel, Hollins and Shakir. If they want a number one from 2024, they need to trade for it. Not draft. I think all of those guys could supplant Hollins pretty quickly in the pecking order. None of them are going to be #1 WRs as rookies though. If we don't trade for a veteran #1 WR (which I don't really expect but it's not impossible), it seems like we're planning to go with a more balanced attack with Kincaid, Samuel, Shakir, and the rookie all being good options. 1
Bruffalo Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 minute ago, CNYfan said: Don't sleep on Roman Wilson at 60 I would be shocked. He's about a pure of a slot receiver as there is this draft. Something the Bills really don't need more of in my opinion.
SCBills Posted April 26 Posted April 26 14 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: Samuel is the Davis replacement. That was planned from the off. The Bills receivers by the end of last year were Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Sherfield and Harty. We're currently looking at Samuel, Hollins, Shakir, Shorter and Isabella(?) Add Diggs to that and Isabella would come off the list. Add Franklin and McConkey and so would Shorter. Suddenly the Bills would be in a much better position. If they can draft one of Franklin or McConkey, and add a veteran (Aiyuk/Sutton) to the mix, then they're in decent shape. But I don't think there is anything Beane could have done differently up to now once the decision was made to move Diggs on. I don't really see us trading for an expensive WR, but if we did this.. McConkey/Franklin plus Aiyuk added to Samuel and Shakir.. Well, I could confidently say that they FINALLY got Josh Allen a squad at WR. That group plus Mack Hollins at WR5 is way better than what we had last year. 1
SoonerBillsFan Posted April 26 Posted April 26 14 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: That huge hole accounted for 3 receptions and 21 yards against the Chiefs last January. Where oh where will Beane ever find that. Troy Franklin 1
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