NewEra Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Just now, LabattBlue said: All the WR’s on the board have some warts to their game. To me the question becomes, which one(s) can step in and become a quality starter week 1? To me the question becomes: which one will make a play when you need it in the playoffs.
Brandon Posted April 26 Posted April 26 32 minutes ago, 518Buffalo said: I find myself largely agreeing with Joe Marino here, Legette at 32 would have been nice but if you told me before the draft we could move down 5 spots and get back in the 3rd round (and upgrade a day 3 pick) I would have taken it. If we wake up tomorrow with DeJean, Franklin and somebody else I'll be thrilled. I can get excited for Mitchell but I don't understand the McConkey love - maybe someone who watches more college football than I do can explain the appeal behind a guy with his mediocre production and good but not elite tools There's probably nothing wrong with his production. He had over 50 receptions in 2022 and probably would have done so again this year if not for missing time with injuries. Further, going back to 2018, he's the only Georgia WR with 50 receptions in a single season (Bowers did it twice at TE). So that's likely a byproduct of their offensive system. Combine and pro day testing numbers for speed, agility and short area burst were all well into the higher end of the range and I think it shows up on the field. He's below Thomas and Franklin, but he can run past people on deep routes. He's got the quickness to snap off his routes as well as anyone. And I thought he was the best RAC guy by a fair margin of the higher tier prospects I watched, especially in traffic (I did not bother with MHJ or Nabers). I think there's a lot to like there and he's likely to become a very good flanker or slot in the NFL, assuming he's healthy. 2
Bookie Man Posted April 26 Posted April 26 40 minutes ago, 518Buffalo said: I find myself largely agreeing with Joe Marino here, Legette at 32 would have been nice but if you told me before the draft we could move down 5 spots and get back in the 3rd round (and upgrade a day 3 pick) I would have taken it. If we wake up tomorrow with DeJean, Franklin and somebody else I'll be thrilled. I can get excited for Mitchell but I don't understand the McConkey love - maybe someone who watches more college football than I do can explain the appeal behind a guy with his mediocre production and good but not elite tools I would be very OK with McConkey. Great route runner and great hands. physical traits and combine numbers almost identical to Garret Wilson. 1
OldTimer1960 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: As I’ve often said, people get WAY too hung up on which Round a player is taken in. That’s not my point. I am arguing that if they really liked any the WR they would have taken one at 28 or 32. The flip side would be that they liked so many equally that they felt they could trade down. Im just guessing, but based on Beane’s comment that they will get call for pick 33, I think he is looking to trade down again- likely because they aren’t crazy about any of the remaining receivers.
Bruffalo Posted April 26 Posted April 26 I'm absolutely fine with taking DeJean if they mortgage some picks from next year (like the 2nd we picked up) to get back in and grab 2 WRs like McConkey/Franklin/Mitchell. Everything is definitely still fine, but I can understand everyone's apprehension. 2 4 1
gonzo1105 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 (edited) 18 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Anyone know recent draft history when 33 was traded and what the return was? the 33rd pick hasn’t been traded for quite awhile at least from a team moving back it’s been traded into a lot like the Bills did Edited April 26 by gonzo1105
TheyCallMeAndy Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Are people hating on Cooper DeJean because they don’t want a defensive player? Even if he is clearly the best available in a pretty thin safety class?
BillsFan130 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 9 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: That’s such a lame point anymore. Players hardly play under the fifth year option anymore. Usually get extended before that Ya but their extension kicks in after the 5th year option. Extreme example as Josh is a QB and they get paid more, but Bills had 5 years of control with Josh before his huge extension kicked in. Same with Ed Oliver
Buffalo4Life01 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Are people hating on Cooper DeJean because they don’t want a defensive player? Even if he is clearly the best available in a pretty thin safety class? I don't think anyone is hating on him. He is a very good player. I think people, including myself, don't view his position as the biggest need right now, though yes it is a need.
TFBillsfan Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Are people hating on Cooper DeJean because they don’t want a defensive player? Even if he is clearly the best available in a pretty thin safety class? I’m okay with Cooper if it’s the pick but I’m more concerned with what their plan is at WR and adding more playmakers to the offense! It’s an arms race on offense and we seem to be very complacent while other contenders load up.
Brandon Posted April 26 Posted April 26 5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Are people hating on Cooper DeJean because they don’t want a defensive player? Even if he is clearly the best available in a pretty thin safety class? I'd be fine with it, but I think he's a zone CB and more of a projection to safety. I'd give him his first shot at the former and only switch him to the latter if he fails at CB.
warrior9 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 9 hours ago, HappyDays said: The dream is still very much alive. Draft two of these WRs in R2, likely with a medium trade up from #60: Coleman Franklin Mitchell McConkey Polk BPA at #95, perhaps with a small trade up to get a true 3rd round graded player. This is my list too.
Mat68 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 4 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Are people hating on Cooper DeJean because they don’t want a defensive player? Even if he is clearly the best available in a pretty thin safety class? Yes. I wanted Worthy or Leggette. Buffalo did not. The 2 highest rated players available are Newton or Dejean. Most cases you are not exchanging players you picking. I think they asked offense or defense. Big or small. Sorry to break it to some but they are not drafting a wr at 33. Its Dejean at S, Newton at DT maybe Powers Johnson or Fraizer at C as a long shot. Consensus will have Newton and Dejean as the beat availble. 60 and 95 will be wr imo. I think 1 of them is Burton from Alabama. 1
BillsFanJ Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Gotta go with DeJean here -- he's so versatile and a great pick. They have enough to move back up in the second round and get a receiver. But you're not going to get another crack at a no-risk pick like DeJean to fill a huge need. 1
OldTimer1960 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 31 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: As I’ve often said, people get WAY too hung up on which Round a player is taken in. I guess we will see, but I’ll be very surprised if they take Mitchell.
TheyCallMeAndy Posted April 26 Posted April 26 RE: Adonai Mitchell - Ive seen unnamed scouts talk about him being an issue, ‘uncoachable” was the term used. Some unspecified characters concerns and him struggling to manage his diabetes. NFL.com and some other big time scouting reports mention zero issues. There have been zero articles written, no specific details alluding to situations or events. Does anyone have any info on these character ‘red flags?’ He’s likely the highest potential WR on the board still, and I’d take him at 33 if the character checks out. 1
NoSaint Posted April 26 Posted April 26 22 minutes ago, NewEra said: To me the question becomes: which one will make a play when you need it in the playoffs. this year it may be both, unless you are putting a lot of weight on Josh early in the season It is a challenging crossroads
Mat68 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 7 minutes ago, Buffalo4Life01 said: I don't think anyone is hating on him. He is a very good player. I think people, including myself, don't view his position as the biggest need right now, though yes it is a need. I think the gap between Dejean and Newton compared other S or DT prospects at 60 is wider than Mitchell or Mcconkey and Wr available at 60. Alot of teams picked a wr in rd 1. Probably expect them to go elsewhere rd 2. Beane very well could get a wr at 60 many want at 33.
glazeduck Posted April 26 Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: RE: Adonai Mitchell - Ive seen unnamed scouts talk about him being an issue, ‘uncoachable” was the term used. Some unspecified characters concerns and him struggling to manage his diabetes. NFL.com and some other big time scouting reports mention zero issues. There have been zero articles written, no specific details alluding to situations or events. Does anyone have any info on these character ‘red flags?’ He’s likely the highest potential WR on the board still, and I’d take him at 33 if the character checks out. We’ll never get the real truth, but I think it’s safe to say that so far, the market has spoken for itself… 1
Brandon Posted April 26 Posted April 26 (edited) I'm reordering my top three a bit. I had it as DeJean, McConkey and Franklin, but I'm swapping spots, moving Franklin to 1 and DeJean to 3. I'm starting to think that, because DeJean is sort of an unusual/rare traits type of prospect, they would have likely selected him if they really wanted him rather than risk losing him, especially to Baltimore, who took a CB. So I'm thinking this draft now goes: 33) Franklin or McConkey (possibly trading down again and still picking one of these two) 60) Safety...Seems to be where the pure safety value is. 95) WR...the more traditional X position guy...might trade up for someone like Walker. Day three...heavy emphasis on defensive depth and developmental guys. Maybe a good center prospect early. Edited April 26 by Brandon
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