Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

[bills6969]

36 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Yes, I don't know how anyone can watch this man play football and think he will be successful in the NFL.  The dude just runs what looks like half speed out there.  His routes are a joke.  They are not crisp, they are not sudden, they are not twitchy, they are not precise, and to top it all off, he looks to be in slow motion.  I personally think his hands are grossly overrated.  Go watch the 22 min video on youtube of him, there are countless balls that are in his hands that he doesn't come down with.  I don't know why those aren't counted as drops.

 

The guy will not win on the outside in the NFL.  Sauce Gardner will literally laugh at Coleman trying to get opened.  He will be walking out there and able to be in his hip pocket.  You think Coleman is going up over Gardner to get a ball?!

 

This is the type of talent that you will find in the later rounds or even undrafted.

 

This is just baffling to me scouts watched this man play and came away with the impression he will be a good WR.  

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

Now we all should be convinced, right?

 

GTFOH

 

The ONLY way to know if this kid is a hit is when he hits the field. It’s been the same way with EVERY prospect in EVERY sport through the history of time, other than Mario Lemieux. 
 

Winter sports drafting systems changed because of Lemieux.

 

There has yet to be a prospect in the history of football/baseball that will change the system because of a SUPER prospect like Lemieux.

I’d say LeBron James was a 🔒too. Same with Victor Wembanyama- while he’s only one year in- there was never a doubt

[Sweats]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I'd trust Bills fans over Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson. 

Also when have you ever heard former players say rookies aren't going to do well. They almost all say they will do well, but yet we know the bust rate is far greater than the success rate.

So no I don't really care what these guys say.

We will judge with our own eyes and see how he plays. 

Right now the general consensus on this board is he a more consistent version of Gabe Davis. If that is true then for a second round pick I can live with that. That means he is somewhere around 40-50 catches, 600-800 yards, and 4-8 TDs. Gabe's rookie year he had 35 catches, 7 TD and 599 yards. 

 

 

 

 

 

You would trust Bills fans over 2 guys who have actually played the sport?

 

Come on, man........i'm actually getting a migraine headache here.

[DCOrange]

I'm guessing it's already been posted somewhere in these million pages but I'm too lazy to go back and check. If you haven't seen it already, Cover1 did a great breakdown of the Coleman pick. It is 15 minutes long, but does a really nice job of breaking down what they think Beane sees in him and some of their concerns (because it's pretty clear Keon is not who Cover1 wanted lol).

 

 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

55 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Yes, I don't know how anyone can watch this man play football and think he will be successful in the NFL.  The dude just runs what looks like half speed out there.  His routes are a joke.  They are not crisp, they are not sudden, they are not twitchy, they are not precise, and to top it all off, he looks to be in slow motion.  I personally think his hands are grossly overrated.  Go watch the 22 min video on youtube of him, there are countless balls that are in his hands that he doesn't come down with.  I don't know why those aren't counted as drops.

 

The guy will not win on the outside in the NFL.  Sauce Gardner will literally laugh at Coleman trying to get opened.  He will be walking out there and able to be in his hip pocket.  You think Coleman is going up over Gardner to get a ball?!

 

This is the type of talent that you will find in the later rounds or even undrafted.

 

This is just baffling to me scouts watched this man play and came away with the impression he will be a good WR.  

 

Two Bills Drive, ladies and gentlemen.

[DCOrange]

14 hours ago, Billy Claude said:

 

I certainly hope that Allen was not involved in this pick.   That is not his job.   If the Bills picked Coleman because Allen wanted him then Beane definitely needs to be fired.  My guess is that the involvement by Allen was prefunctory, sort of like King Charles officially has to approve all legislation before it becomes law.

 

Coleman fits the high ceiling low floor profile of most early round Beane picks.  Except for the 40 time, he is a freakish athlete whose college stats are not super impressive.  Examples include Allen, Edmunds, Brown, Knox, Elam, and Rousseau.  They are betting on  that can teach him to separate in the pros. Hopefully they are right.

I guess this depends on the definition of low-floor. There's plenty of WRs that come out every year that have nothing to fall back on if they struggle to get open in the NFL and end up washing out of the league very quickly. In the very least, Coleman's run blocking and red zone ability should keep him on NFL rosters for a long time. The key with Coleman IMO is that he's a raw prospect but because of the run blocking and contested catch ability, he should be able to make an impact right away while he hopefully learns the finer points of the game and continues to ascend.

[518Buffalo]

Coleman reminds me of an NBA prospect that specializes in the midrange. No, those aren't the most efficient players (not my favorite prospects either) and you hope you have other guys on your team to generate efficient offenses. But when it comes down to it against the best defenses in high pressure situations you'd like to have someone that can get a bucket no matter what they throw at him. I'm not sure I see him being a guy who leads the team in catches or yards in the regular season, which is why I still think we need a WR1 - but it'll be good to have a guy like Coleman in the playoffs for when defenses are locked in and nobody is open, Josh can throw it his way and he can make a play.

[Bangarang]

5 hours ago, Billy Claude said:

 

 

The scouts spent hours and hours evaluating each player, watching tape, interviewing the player, talking to their coaches, looking at combine data, discussing the player with each other, comparing the player to other players etc.   

 

How much time did you think Allen spent on this?   They probably gave him 10 minute highlight video and a one page summary of seven or eight guys and asked him for his impressions.   Maybe a three hours altogether tops. He was probably okay with most of them since it is hard for me to believe that Bills scouts wouldn't be able to rule out guys that definitely won't be a fit with their QB. 

 

Do you get feedback from your franchise QB?  Sure, but I definitely hope that they didn't decide on passing over Worthy and Legette because Allen was banging the table for Coleman. That is not Allen's job.  My guess is that he would have also been perfectly okay with Worthy and Legette and the "Allen wanted Coleman" business is just a bit of stupid but relatively harmless PR.

 

 

 

They likely gave Allen a list of WRs they had high grades on and told him to watch their games and pick one he'd like to work with. Obviously we did not have Worthy graded that high.

[njbuff]

1 hour ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Yes, I don't know how anyone can watch this man play football and think he will be successful in the NFL.  The dude just runs what looks like half speed out there.  His routes are a joke.  They are not crisp, they are not sudden, they are not twitchy, they are not precise, and to top it all off, he looks to be in slow motion.  I personally think his hands are grossly overrated.  Go watch the 22 min video on youtube of him, there are countless balls that are in his hands that he doesn't come down with.  I don't know why those aren't counted as drops.

 

The guy will not win on the outside in the NFL.  Sauce Gardner will literally laugh at Coleman trying to get opened.  He will be walking out there and able to be in his hip pocket.  You think Coleman is going up over Gardner to get a ball?!

 

This is the type of talent that you will find in the later rounds or even undrafted.

 

This is just baffling to me scouts watched this man play and came away with the impression he will be a good WR.  

 

Sauce Gardner will laugh??

 

Did Sauce Gardner laugh when Shakir ran by him like he was nothing on his 80 yard TD.?

 

Give me a break.

 

Let's see how Coleman does before you claim a p***y like Gardner is laughing at anything. 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

Just now, njbuff said:

 

Sauce Gardner will laugh??

 

Did Sauce Gardner laugh when Shakir ran by him like he was nothing on his 80 yard TD.?

 

Give me a break.

 

Let's see how Coleman does before you claim a p***y like Gardner is laughing at anything. 

 

Some of these people are dug in so far to their draft opinions they are moving into crazy territory now, it's wild the stuff they are saying 

[DCOrange]

14 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

Did you read Colemans drop rate ?

 

Everything needs context , but not ideal that for sure

His drop rate was 3.8% this past year and 4.2% for his career. That is lower than the career drop % for literally all 10 of our top 10 guys in targets last season.

• Diggs: 5.5%
• Kincaid: 4.7%
• Gabe: 9.8%
• Cook: 11.0%
• Shakir: 4.5%
• Knox: 12.3%
• Murray: 5.6%
• Sherfield: 7.1%
• Harty: 4.3%
• Ty Johnson: 12.1%

[Billy Claude]

9 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I guess this depends on the definition of low-floor. There's plenty of WRs that come out every year that have nothing to fall back on if they struggle to get open in the NFL and end up washing out of the league very quickly. In the very least, Coleman's run blocking and red zone ability should keep him on NFL rosters for a long time. The key with Coleman IMO is that he's a raw prospect but because of the run blocking and contested catch ability, he should be able to make an impact right away while he hopefully learns the finer points of the game and continues to ascend.

 

 

I am sure you are right that he can contribute in that manner.  What you described seems to be a low floor to me for a draft pick at the top of the second round.

 

Edited April 30 by Billy Claude

[njbuff]

1 minute ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said:

 

Some of these people are dug in so far to their draft opinions they are moving into crazy territory now, it's wild the stuff they are saying 

 

Give Coleman a chance (like any other rookie who ever lived) to see what he can do before claiming he is anything.

 

A lot of people simply don't understand that. 

[Billy Claude]

4 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

They likely gave Allen a list of WRs they had high grades on and told him to watch their games and pick one he'd like to work with. Obviously we did not have Worthy graded that high.

 

I agree that they probably prepared some stuff for Allen to look at but I would hope that they asked him to pick 6 or 7 that he would like to work with and not one.

 

 

[DCOrange]

11 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

He was talking about QBs correct?  Specifically his kid….but was having a discussion about Caleb.  

I don't know if Deion is on the record about it or not, but I remember seeing a lot of headlines that he was also saying Travis Hunter will only play for a small handful of teams. Deion reportedly plans on trying to make sure most teams avoid taking Hunter and Shadeur so that they land on the teams he wants.

 

Could easily just be clickbait though, feels like Deion has turned into a very polarizing figure in college football.

6 minutes ago, Billy Claude said:

 

 

I am sure you are right that he can contribute in that manner.  What you described seems to be a low floor to me for a draft pick at the top of the second round.

 

It would be very disappointing if Coleman ultimately is just a run blocking specialist/jump ball guy, but I think that still represents a higher floor than guys like Worthy, Legette, Mitchell, Corley, etc. just amongst some of the guys that were taken in the same ballpark (maybe a stretch for Corley but he was the first pick of the 3rd round).

[BeastMaster]

1 hour ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Yes, I don't know how anyone can watch this man play football and think he will be successful in the NFL.  The dude just runs what looks like half speed out there.  His routes are a joke.  They are not crisp, they are not sudden, they are not twitchy, they are not precise, and to top it all off, he looks to be in slow motion.  I personally think his hands are grossly overrated.  Go watch the 22 min video on youtube of him, there are countless balls that are in his hands that he doesn't come down with.  I don't know why those aren't counted as drops.

 

The guy will not win on the outside in the NFL.  Sauce Gardner will literally laugh at Coleman trying to get opened.  He will be walking out there and able to be in his hip pocket.  You think Coleman is going up over Gardner to get a ball?!

 

This is the type of talent that you will find in the later rounds or even undrafted.

 

This is just baffling to me scouts watched this man play and came away with the impression he will be a good WR.  

Tell me you don't know football without telling me you don't know football

[CountDorkula]

 

interesting read on the entire WR class. Remains to be seen if this data point will continue to hold water. 

[DJB]

22 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

I said for months that the Bills would love his leadership and character traits and that he was the type of player they would love because of his maximum effort and doing the small things it takes to win. 
 

Most didn’t want to hear that cause they read a couple scouting reports and wanted more speed guys 

It’s ok to admit both which I can.

 

So far I love Keon the person. Seems

fun loving and innocent. A guy the locker room will enjoy. You can see he wants to work hard and be a good person . 
 

But I can also point out his faults as Keon the player as well

[TheyCallMeAndy]

10 hours ago, stevestojan said:

This kid is already doing/saying everything right to instantly become a fan favorite. 

It’s not forced either like some of the guys who drop all the cliche Buffalo catch phrases to get over with the fan base. 

[Mat68]

10 hours ago, balln said:

And that’s my point. Why does beane need to say that? If he is BUFFALO. Then there must be some players in draft process that aren’t BUFFALO. 
 

Theres some non football evaluation they do specifically w buffalo fit that influences their picks. 

They are giving 20-24 year olds lottery tickets.  What makes them successful NFL players is as much who they are as people.  Im behind him.  Hope he becomes a modern version of Moulds.  Has similar abilities.